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This is meaningless to me.... relate this directly to the 10 commandments. Are we obligated to them or not?To no longer be under the law doesn't remove our obligation to obedience. To be under the law means to know the law-and our obligation to it- but to be apart from grace-from our need for communion with God, to be apart from Christ. With God all things are possible, including obedience to the righteousness He created for man.
Let me say this again.
1) The Law includes the 10 commandments.
2) Requiring obedience to the Law is promoting the Law.
3) Christians are not under the Law
4) Christians by NOT being under the Law are NOT under the 10 commandments
5) Obligating Christians to the 10 commandments IS putting them under the Law
6) Sin via the 10 commandments applies ONLY to those whom the Law applies to. You cannot sin when the definition of sin is out of its jurisdiction. If it is a sin to eat bananas on Sunday on a small island in the pacific, those people there cannot come to America and arrest everyone that eat bananas on Sunday.
Let me try another example.No, it isn't this way. If something is against the law on an island far away, it might not be against the law where we are. But if there is not because of your conscience something that is really sin, with it being the same elsewhere it will still be sin. And saying this is not setting anyone to be under law subject to condemnation. But there is condemnation for sin and only with redemption in Christ is there deliverance, with it deliverance is sure.
Let me try another example.
On this remote island they have 4 laws:
It was an error on my part.... I fixed it.I actually did not see 4 laws there.
Assume the people on both islands were obeying their islands laws.If I answer, I can only say that I don't know. Not sure where this would go or if it is to trap, but I did not see it said anyone was obeying.
Well blow me down. Can't believe this thread opened today.This thread was split automatically after 1000 replies and this thread has been automatically created.
The old thread automatically closed is here: "Why keep the Ten Commandments?"
you mean splitWell blow me down. Can't believe this thread opened today.
Obligation is what fallen man disdains. Adam rejected his obligation, any and all obligations to God. With the New Covenant Jesus shows us how to fulfill our obligation. With Him our yoke becomes easy, our burden light, because we come to willingly obey as we come to love God and neighbor, without even reference to our obligation. It's really not so complicated. This is the meaning of God placing His laws on our hearts and writing them in our minds. With love there is no condemnation because there's nothing to condemn. Man will always be obliged to love-and there really shouldn't be an argument against that.fhansen says - To no longer be under the law doesn't remove our obligation to obedience.
Since when does under not imply obligation?
I'm sorry but I don't see it, and do you keep the Saturday Sabbath properly?Of course
No, the Sabbath command according to the Mosaic Law was never changed in the Bible. The Law cannot be changed either it is fulfilled and no longer binding upon a person or (if they choose to keep it) fully binding. You are engaging in a pick and choose type of lawkeeping here which puts you in violation. You either must do it absolutely according to how it was laid down in the Old Testament or not at all there is nothing inbetween that is valid.Yes, the church has recognized the Lord's Day as fulfilling the spirit of the sabbath day of rest since the beginning of Christianity.
Christ could certainly make the change-so long as He didn't violate the Spirit of the Law. Did Christ fulfill or violate the law regarding sabbath when He healed or picked grain on that day?No, the Sabbath command according to the Mosaic Law was never changed in the Bible. The Law cannot be changed either it is fulfilled and no longer binding upon a person or (if they choose to keep it) fully binding. You are engaging in a pick and choose type of lawkeeping here which puts you in violation. You either must do it absolutely according to how it was laid down in the Old Testament or not at all there is nothing inbetween that is valid.
I'm sorry but the covenants don't work that way, God doesn't change them he stands by them 100%. The only way to change the day is to complete the contract and make a new contract with the difference in it. There is no mention of a sunday sabbath command in the New Covenant anywhere.Christ could certainly make the change-so long as He didn't violate the Spirit of the Law. Did Christ fulfill or violate the law regarding sabbath when He healed or picked grain on that day?
Christ's the Lord of the Sabbath: God's The Lord of His covenants. The Old Covenant became obsolete because it couldn't effect the righteousness it commanded. The New Covenant replaces it because it can effect the righteousness the old commanded-and tremendously more yet.I'm sorry but the covenants don't work that way, God doesn't change them he stands by them 100%. The only way to change the day is to complete the contract and make a new contract with the difference in it. There is no mention of a sunday sabbath command in the New Covenant anywhere.
As far as Jesus violating the Law regarding the Sabbath he explained that doing good deeds wasn't against the Law, if an animal got stuck in a well pulling it out wasn't against the Law neither was healing or feeding people that needed food.
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