Why Judgment Day?

[ChubbyCherub]

Does judgment day apply to those who are saved or only the unsaved?

 

[Marilyn C]

Does judgment day apply to those who are saved or only the unsaved?

Hi CC,

Good question. Jesus has taken the judgment for those in the Body of Christ and for the Old Testament Saints, both groups are in heaven. (Heb. 12: 23) Thus the judgment Day at the end of time is for all those who either have turned away from Jesus or have never heard of Him. Those who have never heard of Jesus but have honored God by their right actions/works will be able to go upon the new earth. The others will all go to the lake of fire. (Rev. 20: 11 - 15)

 

[ChubbyCherub]

Hi CC,

Good question. Jesus has taken the judgment for those in the Body of Christ and for the Old Testament Saints, both groups are in heaven. (Heb. 12: 23) Thus the judgment Day at the end of time is for all those who either have turned away from Jesus or have never heard of Him. Those who have never heard of Jesus but have honored God by their right actions/works will be able to go upon the new earth. The others will all go to the lake of fire. (Rev. 20: 11 - 15)

Thanks for responding and with a scripture!!! - appreciated!

So those who have never heard of Christ are judged according to their works? I don't read that in the scripture you provided, can you point it out for me, please?

 

[Marilyn C]

Thanks for responding and with a scripture!!! - appreciated!

So those who have never heard of Christ are judged according to their works? I don't read that in the scripture you provided, can you point it out for me, please?

Certainly. `And I saw the dead, small and great standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened which is the book of life. And the dead were judged according to THEIR WORKS, by the things which were written in the books.` (Rev. 20: 12)

 

[ChubbyCherub]

Certainly. `And I saw the dead, small and great standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened which is the book of life. And the dead were judged according to THEIR WORKS, by the things which were written in the books.` (Rev. 20: 12)

Thank you! So the 'dead' refers to only those who didn't have the opportunity to know Christ?

Sorry, just trying to understand the definition of 'dead' for context. Thank you!

 

[Maria Billingsley]

Does judgment day apply to those who are saved or only the unsaved?

The key scripture is John 5:28-29:
"Do not marvel at this, for an hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation."

And...

Revelation 20:11-15
11 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books.
13 The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works.
14 Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.

Blessings

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Does judgment day apply to those who are saved or only the unsaved?

We all must appear before God on Judgement Day.

2 Cor 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things done in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad.

Heb 4: 13 And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are naked and open to the eyes of Him to whom we must give account.

There is the resurrection of life for the saved and resurrection of death for the unsaved. Blessed are those in the first resurrection Rev 20:4-6 There is no Scripture that says everyone is saved. Jesus made that clear Mat7:21-23

He tells us how He judges us. Jesus is not just our friend and High Priest. He is also the King and kings have laws and standards. God never left it up to man to write His holy and eternal Laws. Exo 31:18 Deut 4:13 Exo 34:28 that sits under His mercy seat where justice and mercy will come together soon Exo20:6 Exo 25:21


Ecc 12.:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter:
Fear God and keep His commandments,
For this is man’s all.
14 For God will bring every work into judgment,
Including every secret thing,
Whether good or evil.

Rev 14:7 saying with a loud voice, “Fear God and give glory to Him, for the hour of His judgment has come; and worship Him who made heaven and earth, the sea and springs of water.”

James 2:11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law.12 So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty. The law of liberty, is the law that He who said -God's Testimony Exo 31:18 Deut4:13 which we can find in Exo20:1-17 Why its the law of liberty because if everyone was keeping them the way Jesus taught and lived Mat5:19-30 there would be no more sin and Jesus came to save us from our sins Mat1:21 not in them. Heb10:26-30

Why this is revealed at the last trumpet before Jesus comes

Rev 11:18 The nations were angry, and Your wrath has come,
And the time of the dead, that they should be judged,
And that You should reward Your servants the prophets and the saints,
And those who fear Your name, small and great,
And should destroy those who destroy the earth.”
19 Then the temple of God was opened in heaven, and the ark of [i]His covenant was seen in His temple. And there were lightnings, noises, thunderings, an earthquake, and great hail.

Rev 15:5 After these things I looked, and behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened.

Exo 25:16 And you shall put into the ark the Testimony which I will give you.

Exo 31:18 And when He had made an end of speaking with him on Mount Sinai, He gave Moses two tablets of the Testimony, tablets of stone, written with the finger of God.

 

[ChubbyCherub]

We all must appear before God on Judgement Day.

2 Cor 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things done in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad.

Heb 4: 13 And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are naked and open to the eyes of Him to whom we must give account.

There is the resurrection of life for the saved and resurrection of death for the unsaved. Blessed are those in the first resurrection Rev 20:4-6 There is no Scripture that says everyone is saved. Jesus made that clear Mat7:21-23

He tells us how He judges us. Jesus is not just our friend and High Priest. He is also the King and kings have laws and standards. God never left it up to man to write His holy and eternal Laws. Exo 31:18 Deut 4:13 Exo 34:28 that sits under His mercy seat where justice and mercy will come together soon Exo20:6 Exo 25:21


Ecc 12.:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter:
Fear God and keep His commandments,
For this is man’s all.
14 For God will bring every work into judgment,
Including every secret thing,
Whether good or evil.

Rev 14:7 saying with a loud voice, “Fear God and give glory to Him, for the hour of His judgment has come; and worship Him who made heaven and earth, the sea and springs of water.”

James 2:11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law.12 So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty. The law of liberty, is the law that He who said -God's Testimony Exo 31:18 Deut4:13 which we can find in Exo20:1-17 Why its the law of liberty because if everyone was keeping them the way Jesus taught and lived Mat5:19-30 there would be no more sin and Jesus came to save us from our sins Mat1:21 not in them. Heb10:26-30

Why this is revealed at the last trumpet before Jesus comes

Rev 11:18 The nations were angry, and Your wrath has come,
And the time of the dead, that they should be judged,
And that You should reward Your servants the prophets and the saints,
And those who fear Your name, small and great,
And should destroy those who destroy the earth.”
19 Then the temple of God was opened in heaven, and the ark of [i]His covenant was seen in His temple. And there were lightnings, noises, thunderings, an earthquake, and great hail.

Rev 15:5 After these things I looked, and behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened.

Exo 25:16 And you shall put into the ark the Testimony which I will give you.

Exo 31:18 And when He had made an end of speaking with him on Mount Sinai, He gave Moses two tablets of the Testimony, tablets of stone, written with the finger of God.

Thank you!

I don't understand why believers are subject to judgment day. I thought we were saved from sin and damnation when we receive Jesus Christ as our Lord and Saviour. Why then do we have judgment day? It seems contradictory?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Thank you!

I don't understand why believers are subject to judgment day. I thought we were saved from sin and damnation when we receive Jesus Christ as our Lord and Saviour. Why then do we have judgment day? It seems contradictory?

Because believing is more than I believe in Jesus as many teach. Its the very first step in the process. Many stop at this first step and never wean themselves from milk to solid food. Sadly, its because that's what most churches teaches. They read one verse in the bible and stop there. The Bible is a Big book for a reason.

If we look at our Bibles, faith comes from hearing Romans 10:17, those with faith believe - they have the faith in Jesus and of Jesus Rev 14:12 which means believe what He taught and live as He lived for our example 1 John 2:6 , and those with faith DO. James 1:22 Luke 6:46

God knows who are His and who are not. There are wheat and tares. Meaning there are people who seem godly, profess God's name, but they live in their sins never wanting to come to Jesus fully to surrender and forsake their sins - which means turn from Pro28:13 so while they think their are living in light, their are really living in darkness because they do not what to give up their sins John3:19-21 and live the way Jesus asked us to. John14:15. Not to be saved, because that's what someone with faith does- Hear His voice and DOES what He asks. Not what we feel is right and wrong, which is sadly what most people depend on. Instead of what He deems is righteous (right and wrong doing) Psa 119:172 Isa 56:1-2

Why He tells us what is going to happen at the end of time

Mat 7:21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

1 John 2:3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God [a]is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. 6 He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.

Judgement is because God knows who is His or not, many people think they can judge themselves if they are saved or not, but that is clearly for Jesus to decide, and He tells us plainly many believers -those who say Lord Lord will not enter His Kingdom.

 

[ChubbyCherub]

Because believing is more than I believe in Jesus as many teach. Its the very first step in the process. Many stop at this first step and never wean themselves from milk to solid food. Sadly, its because that's what most churches teaches. They read one verse in the bible and stop there. The Bible is a Big book for a reason.

If we look at our Bibles, faith comes from hearing Romans 10:17, those with faith believe - they have the faith in Jesus and of Jesus Rev 14:12 which means believe what He taught and live as He lived for our example 1 John 2:6 , and those with faith DO. James 1:22 Luke 6:46

God knows who are His and who are not. There are wheat and tares. Meaning there are people who seem godly, profess God's name, but they live in their sins never wanting to come to Jesus fully to surrender and forsake their sins - which means turn from Pro28:13 so while they think their are living in light, their are really living in darkness because they do not what to give us their sins John3:19-21 and live the Jesus asked us to. John14:15. Not to be saved, because thats what someone with faith does- Hear His voice and DOES what He asks. Not what we feel is right and wrong which is sadly what most people depend on. Instead of what He deems is righteous (right and wrong doing) Psa 119:172 Isa 56:1-2

Why He tells us what is going to happen at the end of time

Mat 7:21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

1 John 2:3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God [a]is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. 6 He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.

Judgement is because God knows who is His or not, many people think they can judge themselves if they are saved or not, but that is clearly for Jesus to decide, and He tells us plainly many believers -those who say Lord Lord will not enter His Kingdom.

Thank you for such a comprehensive reply.

I really do appreciate all the effort you put into this response. I read the bible to my family and they always have questions which I cannot always answer. Additionally, this aligns with what I believe even though, as you rightly state, this is not what many churches teach.

Thank you again and God bless!

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Thank you for such a comprehensive reply.

I really do appreciate all the effort you put into this response. I read the bible to my family and they always have questions which I cannot always answer. Additionally, this aligns with what I believe even though, as you rightly state, this is not what many churches teach.

Thank you again and God bless!

The best way to understand God's will is pray before reading your Bible and ask for the Holy Spirit to teach you His Truth. Don't listen to the noise out there that while it might sound good to the ears, we are warned plainly if its not in our Bibles and goes away from what He said, we are not to follow that path Isa8:20

There is a real spiritual war going on, the devil deceives the whole world, meaning the majority but if one really wants to understand God's will Psa40:8 keep praying and asking God to guide you and make sure what a pastor is saying is what our Bibles say. Most of the Bible reads very plainly, the areas that are confusing, can be explained by the rest of our Bibles and its best to always reconcile the Bible to what Jesus said. John 14:6

We are told at the end of time which I believe we are in, people will no longer be teaching God's Truth.


2 Tim 4:2 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; 4 and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables.

According to the Bible - Jesus is Truth John 14:6 All His commandments are Truth Psa 119:151 His word is Truth John17:17 and only His Truth sets us free John 8:32

God bless friend!

 

[ChubbyCherub]

The best way understand God's will is pray before reading your Bible and ask for the Holy Spirit to teach you His Truth. Don't listen to the noise out there that while it might sound good to the ears, we are warned plainly if its not in our Bibles and goes away from what He said, we are not to follow that path Isa8:20

There is a real spiritual war going on, the devil deceives the whole world, meaning the majority but if one really wants to understand God's will Psa40:8 keep praying and asking God to guide you and make sure what a pastor is saying is what our Bibles say. Most of the Bible reads very plainly, the areas that are confusing, can be explained by the rest of our Bibles and its best to always reconcile the Bible to what Jesus said. John 14:6

We are told at the end of time which I believe we are in, people will no longer be teaching God's Truth.


2 Tim 4:2 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; 4 and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables.

According to the Bible - Jesus is Truth John 14:6 All His commandments are Truth Psa 119:151 His word is Truth John17:17 and only His Truth sets us free John 8:32

God bless friend!

Thanks! All info re: slaves and servants have come from the Bible, read personally, by me and to my family. This is why the question has arisen in the first place.

Thanks for your patience and assistance!

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Thanks! All info re: slaves and servants have come from the Bible, read personally, by me and to my family. This is why the question has arisen in the first place.

Thanks for your patience and assistance!

The Bible talks about two different masters and two different servants, which is the better word for slave. Jesus said those who are not with Me are against Me Mat 12:30 and whoever we obey is who we serve Rom6:16KJV and that determines which path we are on. One path that hears His voice and allows God to be God to define His commandments enters His kingdom and receives the Tree of Life Rev 22:14 or those who are outside Rev 22:15 because they sadly did not listen to the voice of our Father in Heaven. God doesn't ask for much and doesn't even make us do it alone John14:15-18 but sadly many do not want to obey Rom8:7-8

 

[ChubbyCherub]

The Bible talks about two different masters and two different servants, which is the better word for slave. Jesus said those who are not with Me are against Me Mat 12:30 and whoever we obey is who we serve Rom6:6KJV and that determines which path we are on. One that enters His kingdom and receives the Tree of Life Rev 22:14 or those who are outside Rev 22:15 because they sadly did not listen to the voice of our Father in Heaven.

Thanks. I'm not sure we are talking about the same thing here.

Israelites held slaves and servants. Moses brought God's commandments down from the mountain regarding the treatment of these servants and slaves by the Israelites. This is confirmed in Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy.

The question, therefore, is why were Israelites allowed to have slaves/servants and this is not viewed as immoral despite it being immoral for Egyptians to have the Israelites as slaves?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Thanks. I'm not sure we are talking about the same thing here.

Israelites held slaves and servants. Moses brought God's commandments down from the mountain regarding the treatment of these servants and slaves by the Israelites. This is confirmed in Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy.

The question, therefore, is why were Israelites allowed to have slaves/servants and this is not viewed as immoral despite it being immoral for Egyptians to have the Israelites as slaves?

I think there are some misunderstandings here.

Do you think only worshiping God, is for slaves only? But God's people can worship any gods they want? I think God begs to differ Exo 23:33
Not to take the name of God in vain is for slaves only, but everyone else can?

And we can go down the list of the Ten Commandments as only being for slaves when God just said He freed them from bondage only to put them back in bondage? Sorry this argument makes no sense to me. There is no Scripture that says the commandments Moses brought down from the mountain that God wrote and spoke were only for slaves. It is God's Testimony Exo 31:18 and commandments Exo 20:6- His will Psa 40:8 Heb8:10 to the world. First given to the Nation of Israel (not slaves but represented God's people) now written in the heart and minds of His New Covenant people 2Cor3:3 Heb8:10

 

[ChubbyCherub]

I think there are some misunderstandings here.

Do you think only worshiping God, is for slaves only? But God's people can worship any gods they want?
Not to take the name of God in vain is for slaves only, but everyone else can?

And we can go down the list of the Ten Commandments as only being for slaved when God just said He freed them from bondage? Sorry this argument makes no sense to me.

Sorry, there is a misunderstanding on my part and I really do apologize.

I just realized I am mixing up this post with another post I made about Israelite slaves/servants. The mention of slaves/servants on this post made me conflate the two!

I do apologize!!!

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Sorry, there is a misunderstanding on my part and I really do apologize.

I just realized I am mixing up this post with another post I made about Israelite slaves/servants. The mention of slaves/servants on this post made me conflate the two!

I do apologize!!!

No worries!

 

[The Truth John 1.1]

Certainly. `And I saw the dead, small and great standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened which is the book of life. And the dead were judged according to THEIR WORKS, by the things which were written in the books.` (Rev. 20: 12)

Not so fast Marily C. First the Scriptures are silent on infants and the still born that died who never had an opportunity to perform any work. So Thier fate in Scripture is not described. The passage implies that judgement can only be applied only if one performs a work. (Which by the way just means how they lived their life on earth).Otherwise no judgement can be imposed because their book when opened has nothing written in it as to how they lived their life to judge them by

 

[Marilyn C]

Thank you!

I don't understand why believers are subject to judgment day. I thought we were saved from sin and damnation when we receive Jesus Christ as our Lord and Saviour. Why then do we have judgment day? It seems contradictory?

The `judgment` of believers is NOT to life or death but for `rewards.` We are judged for what we have done under the anointing of the Holy Spirit and NOT for self aggrandizement. (1 Cor. 3: 12 -15)

 

[Marilyn C]

Not so fast Marily C. First the Scriptures are silent on infants and the still born that died who never had an opportunity to perform any work. So Thier fate in Scripture is not described. The passage implies that judgement can only be applied only if one performs a work. (Which by the way just means how they lived their life on earth).Otherwise no judgement can be imposed because their book when opened has nothing written in it as to how they lived their life to judge them by

Actually, remember when King David`s son died. David said he cannot come to me but I can go to him. (2 Sam. 12: 23) This gives us the understanding that God has the unborn, the newly born and very young child when they all die in His care.