Why Jesus died?

[sentipente]

The general Christian beleif is that Chirst was the Word of God. That means that He was a perfect means of communication. Now,w e do just have humans writing about Him... but that is stlil much better (Writing about good data), than the poor data we are surrounded by.
JM

I am not sure what you believe. You seem not to believe that God is around us and that when Jesus was here the senses of those who wrote about Him stopped functioning. Those who wrote thirty to fifty years after Christ left this earth had to interpret what they saw and experienced.

 

[JonMiller]

I do wish you wouldn't write what I Think... let me do that.

I do think that that God is around us. I just think that our sense are poor, and our world is corrupted by sin. As such, we perceive very little.

Like you do (in regards to quarks et al.), since you lack scientific isntrumentation and (I think, I could be wrong) the mathematical understanding to formulate the needed theories.

On the other hand, Christ was God's communication with Man. Was meant to be such. Since He was God, He was perfect, and the communcation wasn't messed up there.

Now, it is true, that those who were his followers were imperfect. But they were looking at perfection.

On the other hand, when we look around in our world... we see a lot of evil. And nothing that is perfect, or showing perfection.

So the question is, do you ignore the old data... that was recorded by faulty machinery but was perfect (beyondany scienfitic experiment) data? Do you focus on your own recordings.. which not only have the problems of faulty machinery, but the data is poor quality in the first place?

JM

 

[sentipente]

Your analogy is imperfect. We have the same instrumentation as the disciples and have the advantage of standing on their shoulders. Christ did not come as God; He came as man. This was to remind man that man was made in the image of God so that in understanding man we understand man. When He left His disciples still did not understand what He had taught them. A baby may spend 40 weeks in amniotic fluid but that does not mean he has a better understanding of the chemical structure of it. At the end of the day the disciples were still first century fisherfolk. The invisible things of the Creator are revealed in the things He has made and I have a better understanding of the things He has made than they had.

 

[JonMiller]

The deciples knew Christ, could remember Him.

We have 2000 years, and only their (and the people they converted) impressions.

This isn't like science where we can stand on other's shoulders... and do similar measurements with their techniques and formulations. This is rather that there was one measurement.. and while we can reason with what was written about it.. we can't perform it again.

Science beleives in no special place/time/observer (it is a fundamental beleif). Christ was special.

JM

 

[sentipente]

The disciples knew Christ the man. There they have me at a disadvantage. They have no better understanding of Christ the God than I do. Christ revealed no more of God to the disciples than He has revealed to me.

 

[AndrewK788]

The disciples knew Christ the man. There they have me at a disadvantage. They have no better understanding of Christ the God than I do. Christ revealed no more of God to the disciples than He has revealed to me.

That's quite a powerful claim to make. I'm not questioning you Senti as I cannot judge you nor do I know what is in your heart, but just be cautious and be sure you are right when making such bold proclamations.

-your brother in Christ

 

[honorthesabbath]

It is important to note that He did not merely die; He was killed.

Jesus makes it quite clear that He ‘laid down His life”. He said, NO MAN TAKETH IT FROM ME. So to say that Jesus was killed, shows a disregard not only of the Word, by for His power.

Joh 10:15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.

Joh 10:17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.

Joh 10:18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

 

[mva1985]

Your analogy is imperfect. We have the same instrumentation as the disciples and have the advantage of standing on their shoulders. Christ did not come as God; He came as man. This was to remind man that man was made in the image of God so that in understanding man we understand man. When He left His disciples still did not understand what He had taught them. A baby may spend 40 weeks in amniotic fluid but that does not mean he has a better understanding of the chemical structure of it. At the end of the day the disciples were still first century fisherfolk. The invisible things of the Creator are revealed in the things He has made and I have a better understanding of the things He has made than they had.

Your analogy is imperfect.

The disciples had the creation to explore just as we do.

 

[sentipente]

Jesus makes it quite clear that He ‘laid down His life”. He said, NO MAN TAKETH IT FROM ME. So to say that Jesus was killed, shows a disregard not only of the Word, by for His power.

One day you will understand the quality of the discussion in which you are attempting to participate.

 

[sentipente]

Your analogy is imperfect.

The disciples had the creation to explore just as we do.

I do not come here for comic relief but I will accept it if you insist on providing it.