Why isnt isnt it ok to sin?

[Jess90]

So is it safe to assume you don't accept Resha Caner's position that all sin is harmful?

Ken

Sin is harmful. Yes we all sin everyday, but the great thing the Bible believing Christians believe is that Jesus Christ washes away that sin when you repent those sins to him. That is why He died on the cross for our sins.

 

[Resha Caner]

No more than I would try to prove eating apples, wearing shoes, or walking backwards never causes harm!

Good. I didn't think you would, but I was just checking.

Why do you believe sex outside marriage always causes harm?

I'm sure you know the Bible is my primary reason, so I don't understand why you would ask.

 

[Ken-1122]

I am going to be dropping out of this conversation now because I am 37 weeks pregnant and was just recently put on bed rest. I think this is just going around in circles anyway now and I don't need to get worked up anymore in my situation.

Sorry! Didn't mean to get cha upset.

K

 

[Ken-1122]

Sin is harmful. Yes we all sin everyday, but the great thing the Bible believing Christians believe is that Jesus Christ washes away that sin when you repent those sins to him. That is why He died on the cross for our sins.

Do you agree that some sin acts are also harmless?

Ken

 

[Ken-1122]

I'm sure you know the Bible is my primary reason, so I don't understand why you would ask.

The reason I asked is because you said all sin causes harm, and you implied sex outside marriage is a sin that causes harm. Do you still hold this position?

Ken

 

[Jess90]

Do you agree that some sin acts are also harmless?

Ken

There are no degrees of sin in Gods eyes. A sin is a sin.

 

[Ken-1122]

There are no degrees of sin in Gods eyes. A sin is a sin.

I'm not talking about God's eyes; I'm trying to find out if you are aware that not all sins are harmful.

Ken

 

[Resha Caner]

The reason I asked is because you said all sin causes harm, and you implied sex outside marriage is a sin that causes harm. Do you still hold this position?

Yes. I'll say the same thing to you I said to Paradoxum. I don't see the point in trying to change a definition. Harmless sin is an oxymoron the same as harmless harm is an oxymoron.

What you're really trying to claim is that sex outside marriage is not a sin.

 

[Jess90]

I'm not talking about God's eyes; I'm trying to find out if you are aware that not all sins are harmful.

Ken

I am a firm believer in God so what His Bible teaches is what I go by and in the Bible it states that sin no matter how small or large is all sin.

 

[Paradoxum]

Since the issue I raised was emotional in nature, contraception wouldn't help. Further, I would be concerned both about people who have been manipulated and those engaged in sexual activity who don't form emotional attachments.

Well you also raised medical issues before too.

As for emotional issues, I already solved that problem. You make sure they consent, and then you make sure you are upfront and honest about your intentions.

Why do you think sex without emotional bond is a problem?

I understand that is your objective, but I don't understand why it matters to you. Many probably agree with you, so you don't have to convince them. If anyone does share my opinion, it's unlikely I was the one who led them to it.

Because I don't want people to think false bad things about me.

And you don't care what I think. Unless you're someday shipwrecked on an island where I'm king, it's all moot.

Would you be a tyrant against liberty, if you were king?

By the way, I was quite open with you in my previous post, it would be nice if you commented on it.

One of your points was that I was indulgent, and I disproved that. Doesn't that give you reason to reconsider your opinion of my character?

And if you believe me, empathy and consideration of others is part of my life, making me not a narcissist, or spoiled.

You might think I'm more self-interested than average, but that would be a more reasonable improvement.

 

[Resha Caner]

By the way, I was quite open with you in my previous post, it would be nice if you commented on it.

I was trying to be polite by not commenting on it.

As for emotional issues, I already solved that problem.

We disagree about what you have solved, disproved, etc. That is the most benign commentary I can give.

Why do you think sex without emotional bond is a problem?

In short because it means you're using them.

In order to further explain, I'll throw out a warning that even though I've tried to think of delicate phrasing, this conversation is reaching a limit for me.

Is sex with a real person different than viewing pornography as the means to the end?

Would you be a tyrant against liberty, if you were king?

I would be a horrible leader no matter the political system, and so the true grace is that I have no interest in such a thing. Yet as long as we're fantasizing, the wisdom of my reign would serve to enlighten you regarding the difference between liberty and free license.

 

[Ken-1122]

Yes. I'll say the same thing to you I said to Paradoxum. I don't see the point in trying to change a definition.

This conversation has nothing to do with definitions. It's about your false claim that all sin is harmful.

Harmless sin is an oxymoron the same as harmless harm is an oxymoron.

Saying so does not make it true. If you wish to be taken seriously, you need to explain why.

What you're really trying to claim is that sex outside marriage is not a sin.

No! What I am trying to claim is that sex outside marriage is not HARMFUL. Address that and quit trying to change the subject.

Ken

 

[Paradoxum]

I was trying to be polite by not commenting on it.

I think it's impolite for you not to comment.

Doesn't what I said disprove the idea of indulgence?

In short because it means you're using them.

No more than playing tennis with someone. Is that so bad too?

In order to further explain, I'll throw out a warning that even though I've tried to think of delicate phrasing, this conversation is reaching a limit for me.

Is sex with a real person different than viewing pornography as the means to the end?

It can be, and it can not be. It depends. (Bear in mind that this doesn't express my preference).

I would be a horrible leader no matter the political system, and so the true grace is that I have no interest in such a thing. Yet as long as we're fantasizing, the wisdom of my reign would serve to enlighten you regarding the difference between liberty and free license.

Are you joking? I can't tell? If not, I'd totally be up for assassinating you (in this imaginary situation).

Allowing anything less than free license is oppression. Only allowing freedom for what you believe in isn't liberty. If you believe differently, your more suited to Saudi Arabia than the US.

 

[Ken-1122]

I am a firm believer in God so what His Bible teaches is what I go by and in the Bible it states that sin no matter how small or large is all sin.

Ya know; if you want to believe that, that's fine. But if you are going to go around making claims; you need to be prepared to back it up! If you cannot do that, you might wanna keep those opinions to yourself.

Ken

 

[Resha Caner]

This conversation has nothing to do with definitions. It's about your false claim that all sin is harmful.

Use all the capital letters you like. A definition is a definition. Romans 6:23.

What I am trying to claim is that sex outside marriage is not HARMFUL.

The best you can do is to say you are not aware of any harm it has caused. You already conceded you can't prove it never causes harm.

 

[Resha Caner]

No more than playing tennis with someone. Is that so bad too?

That's your argument? If you use people when you play tennis, then yes, that's bad. I don't use people when I play tennis. I enjoy the game with them. Beyond that, this is a horrible analogy.

Are you joking? I can't tell? If not, I'd totally be up for assassinating you (in this imaginary situation).

I'd like to have violets at my funeral if you don't mind.

Allowing anything less than free license is oppression. Only allowing freedom for what you believe in isn't liberty. If you believe differently, your more suited to Saudi Arabia than the US.

What utter nonsense. Law does have it's place.

Doesn't what I said disprove the idea of indulgence?

OK, you're not spoiled. Now you've gotten what you wanted.

 

[Neogaia777]

Sex outside of marriage harms and confuses peoples concepts of Love (damages peoples hearts and emotions).

God considers you married if you are having sexual relations, and divorced if you break-up...

Sin ultimately leaves you empty and miserable inside, it may not seem that way at first, but I'll gaurantee you, that, in the end, it won't satisfy you or make you happy, in the end it leaves you empty and miserable...

God already knew/knows this and he knows that it is not in our best interest to sin....

God Bless!

 

[Ken-1122]

Use all the capital letters you like. A definition is a definition. Romans 6:23.

And you are using the wrong definition which is why you are unable to defend your position

The best you can do is to say you are not aware of any harm it has caused. You already conceded you can't prove it never causes harm.

I said no such thing. If you are going to make the claim that something is harmful, you need to back it up.

Ken

 

[Resha Caner]

And you are using the wrong definition which is why you are unable to defend your position

Strawman.

I said no such thing.

Post #97.

If you are going to make the claim that something is harmful, you need to back it up.

I don't have to defend the words you put in my mouth.

 

[Ken-1122]

Post #97.

If you read post #97 you will see I said no such thing.

I don't have to defend the words you put in my mouth.

You said sin is harmful. Are you changing your mind now?

ken