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Why is this ok when God does it but bad when we(humans) do this?

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It sounds like you are wrestling with the problem of evil at the moment. This is something every Christian will struggle with at some point (or many points) in their journey.

Do you like to read or listen to audiobooks at all? If so, I would recommend you read/listen to Timothy Keller's book Walking with God Through Pain and Suffering. I found it enormously helpful to help me understand this issue better. Hopefully we are allowed to recommend books in this forum. If not, someone please let me know and I will edit my post.
 
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God has made it clear that he is leaving us to our own devices for the time being to demonstrate to us that when we reject his way of life we crash and burn. He will save us in the end however. He is "not willing that any should perish..."
Isn't that why Jesus the Christ, the only begotten Son of the living God, the God of the living died, as it is written in the book of John chapter 3, verse 16?

It is written that those who insist "on their own devices", will be given what they insist on, and left TO their own devices, just as Lucifer/Satan was.

In essence, God leaves them to their own self-imposed demise.

We need to be careful what we "wish for".

It is also written that God will not always strive with man. Just as in the days of Noah, the door of grace was open, but there came a day when God Himself closed that door. It is so now....the door of grace is open NOW. However, God will be closing that door of grace and there will be NO re-opening that door, for all of eternity.
 
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Ezekiel 37 suggests that the door hasn't been closed, so 'today' isn't the only day of salvation, as some believe, but is a day of salvation.
 
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The second phrase is implicit to the first (I could have put it in parenthesis).
Would you be so kind as to clarify what your response means, and how it ties in to my post that you responded to?
 
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Ezekiel 37 suggests that the door hasn't been closed, so 'today' isn't the only day of salvation, as some believe, but is a day of salvation.
Indeed, the door of grace IS open, right now, as WE speak. However, there will come a day when that door of grace WILL close. PERMANENTLY.

Speaking of suffering eternal torment, it is written that those who reject God's grace (Jesus Christ) will be in eternal torment (never ending) where even the worms tormenting them do not die.
 
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Would you be so kind as to clarify what your response means, and how it ties in to my post that you responded to?

"The wages of sin is death" is a common theme found throughout the bible. It follows that 'eternal life in torment' isn't possible if one is dead. Not just 'dead spiritually', but destroyed, body and soul, root and branch, even the memory of them, as if they had never existed.
 
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How does that reconcile with eternal torment? The Word of God in its entirety ties those pieces together. Eternity is quite a study, amen?
 
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How does that reconcile with eternal torment? The Word of God in its entirety ties those pieces together. Eternity is quite a study, amen?

Eternal torment is reserved for Satan and his demons.
 
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Eternal torment is reserved for Satan and his demons.
Indeed. And it IS "eternal", is it not? Those who reject God's only. begotten Son will join Satan and his minions there for all of eternity, where even the worms that torment do not die. It is written .
 
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Although the underlined is true it makes God seem incredibly uncaring. Which is why I have a hard time trusting him. Despite my desires He'll do what he wants and wishes despite how I feel.
I feel the only way I can make this ok is to lie to myself and view God as a single parent doing his best but with limited resources.
 
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Indeed. And it IS "eternal", is it not? Those who reject God's only. begotten Son will join Satan and his minions there for all of eternity, where even the worms that torment do not die. It is written .
The worms in Isaiah (which seems to be the source of the NT language are eating the dead bodies, not tormenting anyone. 1 Cor 15 has evil destroyed, and I think the pit in the Rev, which is the second death, also passes away when all is made new.
 
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I'll never be an atheist because I'm fully convinced of God but because of what I stated in my OP I don't trust God at all. I really wish I didn't ask these questions and just trusted but I cant.
 
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The worms in Isaiah (which seems to be the source of the NT language are eating the dead bodies, not tormenting anyone. 1 Cor 15 has evil destroyed, and I think the pit in the Rev, which is the second death, also passes away when all is made new.
Sooooooo, those worms you speak of are those spoken of by God in eternity?
 
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Insignificant enough for God sending His own Son to die for us.
 
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I'll never be an atheist because I'm fully convinced of God but because of what I stated in my OP I don't trust God at all. I really wish I didn't ask these questions and just trusted but I cant.
I think questions like those you asked can be useful in testing various Christian visions of the faith. In fact I have no idea why Christians ever accepted God as having a character that in a human we would consider immoral. All I can think is that at some times life was so brutal that people simply didn’t expect decency even out of parents. There’s some reason to think that ideas of how parents treat children (and husbands wives) have changed a lot over time. These changes were often resisted by conservative Christians.

But the issues are core to Christianity. For many Christians, Jesus goal was to save us from eternal torment. If we don’t think that’s an issue, then we have to consider the possibility that love of God and neighbor is important enough that Jesus would die to bring us to God, even without the threat of torture if we don’t respond.
 
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I'll never be an atheist because I'm fully convinced of God but because of what I stated in my OP I don't trust God at all. I really wish I didn't ask these questions and just trusted but I cant.

Don't be too hard on yourself for asking these questions. They are there and many Christians struggle with them. Despite the fact I have no knock down answers, I came to faith already asking these question, have struggled with them honestly, and my faith is more robust on account of doing so. I am certain God knows these questions occur, and I know from experience that God has guided me in facing them with faith intact.
 
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