Why is this An Abomination?

[Bible Highlighter]

The website rarely if at all mentions Mormonism in fact I think I only know that because of an interview Brett McKay did on another site. He needs Jesus, just like us.

No offense, brother; But believers need to be holy and separate from those who are of the enemy’s kingdom still. I prefer not digging in well of ideas or beliefs that come from those who do not accept the Jesus of the Bible. The difference is that genuine faithful believers are of Christ and Mormons are not. I am not interested in what they have to say. My time on this Earth is too short to listen to them. I have more beneficial things I can do for the Lord. I merely found the picture by doing a Google image search.

I just don't see why in a time when most jobs were physical they would wear a long tunic which needed to be girded up. If you see one of my previous posts also the book of Daniel mentions "hosen" which means trousers essentially.

Revelation 1:13 KJV says,

“And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.”​

Side Note: Yes, Exodus 28:42 talk about men wearing breeches, but these were for the priests so that men would not look at their privates when they walked up the stairs of the altar, and it was so that their sweat would not drop down into the most holy place. When the holy duties were done, they took these garments off.

As for the word “hosen” in Daniel 3:21, the meaning can either refer to possibly either pants, or stockings (socks). The meaning is not exactly clear as a hardcore fact. But even if it was referring to pants, the Israelites at this time were in Exile to another country. So the clothes most likely were supplied and or in fashion to that country and not their own.

 

[coffee4u]

You don’t get it! The Bible has been edited so much over the centuries and the culture that it came from was so misogynistic and homophobic that I will question if I should be agreeing with these behaviors or not. If the behavior is silly or even harmless like the mixed fabric prohibition, I’ll ignore it just like most modern people do. If the behavior is toxic I just won’t do it. Period . Cross dressing is a silly harmless thing . I can’t see why y’all get your panties in a twist about it. And don’t say God said these . This came out of that Bronze Age culture and was grandfathered in.

The Bible is not just a book, every word was transcribed from what God wants us to know.
It is God-breathed. If you can't trust it then you can't trust Jesus either, because it holds his words to us. The whole is trustworthy or none of it is.

Without the Bible you won't know when someone preaches a different Gospel, or if you are facing a false prophet. The Bible is how doctrine is formulated, it is the Christian guidebook.

God preserves his word, he isn't going to let it get corrupted, not the quality versions. For sure there are a few modern copies no one should use but if you have an Old and New kings James and one other like the English Standard Version then you can read and check across the three copies. You can also check the Hebrew and Greek if you are unsure.

If God said something is an abomination, then it is harmful in some way. God knows everything we don't. When I read that something is sinful I trust that it is, even if I don't personally understand why. The Israelites were told that the person with sores was to be moved outside the camp, they didn't understand why they just did as they were told. I'm sure at the time some felt these laws were nonsense or devised to be annoying but now we can see God wasn't just being petty in putting them out, he was having them carry out quarantine.

The mixed fabric law was really about the faithful not mixing with the pagans. But it was also practical, because those two fibres don't shrink evenly and a garment made of them together will become misshapen after the first wash. Every law had a reason, they weren't made up just because. Given all of what we know today I am sure we can dig and uncover more practicalities to some of the seemingly odd laws.

You only need to look up all the mental issues associated with transsexualism to understand how that is harmful physically, mentally and spiritually to the person affected. And I am just as sure cross-dressing for some kind of kink is too. We may not be able to see or notice harm at the spirit or soul level, but there would not be a law against it if it was truly harmless.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

The Bible is not just a book, every word was transcribed from what God wants us to know.
It is God-breathed. If you can't trust it then you can't trust Jesus either, because it holds his words to us. The whole is trustworthy or none of it is.

Without the Bible you won't know when someone preaches a different Gospel, or if you are facing a false prophet. The Bible is how doctrine is formulated, it is the Christian guidebook.

God preserves his word, he isn't going to let it get corrupted, not the quality versions. For sure there are a few modern copies no one should use but if you have an Old and New kings James and one other like the English Standard Version then you can read and check across the three copies. You can also check the Hebrew and Greek if you are unsure.

If God said something is an abomination, then it is harmful in some way. God knows everything we don't. When I read that something is sinful I trust that it is, even if I don't personally understand why. The Israelites were told that the person with sores was to be moved outside the camp, they didn't understand why they just did as they were told. I'm sure at the time some felt these laws were nonsense or devised to be annoying but now we can see God wasn't just being petty in putting them out, he was having them carry out quarantine.

The mixed fabric law was really about the faithful not mixing with the pagans. But it was also practical, because those two fibres don't shrink evenly and a garment made of them together will become misshapen after the first wash. Every law had a reason, they weren't made up just because. Given all of what we know today I am sure we can dig and uncover more practicalities to some of the seemingly odd laws.

You only need to look up all the mental issues associated with transsexualism to understand how that is harmful physically, mentally and spiritually to the person affected. And I am just as sure cross-dressing for some kind of kink is too. We may not be able to see or notice harm at the spirit or soul level, but there would not be a law against it if it was truly harmless.

Very well said.
I cannot for the life of me fathom why some believers say there are errors in the Word of God. Perhaps they need to see that there are tons of evidences showing that it is worthy indeed to be called the “Holy Bible” and not the “holey bible.”

Here is a Blogger article I created showing a ton of evidences backing up God's Word in being a holy, divine, and perfect Word:

Love Branch: Evidences for the Word of God

I believe faith comes by hearing, and hearing the Word of God;
And without faith, it is impossible to please Him.

 

[nolidad]

Remember those rubber girdles that women used to wear back in the 50s . My mother spent years trying to tell me I needed one. They were skintight rubber (like S&Mclothes) and just the thought of wearing one in a NYC humid summer was enough for me to swear I’d never put one on. I tried my mother’s on once when I was a skinny teenybopper. It was so tight it was dislocating my hips . I have no idea how she or any other woman wore that thing.

My mom had one when I was growing up!!!! When she would try to squeeze into that monstrosity, I would ask a a wee young lad if she had done something wrong and was punishing herself. The look on her face trying to get thing on was painful!!

 

[Brightmoon]

The Bible is not just a book, every word was transcribed from what God wants us to know.
It is God-breathed. If you can't trust it then you can't trust Jesus either, because it holds his words to us. The whole is trustworthy or none of it is.

Without the Bible you won't know when someone preaches a different Gospel, or if you are facing a false prophet. The Bible is how doctrine is formulated, it is the Christian guidebook.

God preserves his word, he isn't going to let it get corrupted, not the quality versions. For sure there are a few modern copies no one should use but if you have an Old and New kings James and one other like the English Standard Version then you can read and check across the three copies. You can also check the Hebrew and Greek if you are unsure.

If God said something is an abomination, then it is harmful in some way. God knows everything we don't. When I read that something is sinful I trust that it is, even if I don't personally understand why. The Israelites were told that the person with sores was to be moved outside the camp, they didn't understand why they just did as they were told. I'm sure at the time some felt these laws were nonsense or devised to be annoying but now we can see God wasn't just being petty in putting them out, he was having them carry out quarantine.

The mixed fabric law was really about the faithful not mixing with the pagans. But it was also practical, because those two fibres don't shrink evenly and a garment made of them together will become misshapen after the first wash. Every law had a reason, they weren't made up just because. Given all of what we know today I am sure we can dig and uncover more practicalities to some of the seemingly odd laws.

You only need to look up all the mental issues associated with transsexualism to understand how that is harmful physically, mentally and spiritually to the person affected. And I am just as sure cross-dressing for some kind of kink is too. We may not be able to see or notice harm at the spirit or soul level, but there would not be a law against it if it was truly harmless.

. Everyone who’s ever spoken to a fiber artist knows that you have to make thread from mixed fibers differently .

tThe harm caused by being trans Or one of the other alphabet soup people is mainly due to the years of emotional abuse , rejection and possibly violence coming from family who have mistreated them .

 

[coffee4u]

Holy Bible” and not the “holey bible.”.

Oh I hadn't thought of that one lol.

I came to faith through reading the Bible, so to me, the scriptures are of far more importance than what any person, church or teacher says.

. Everyone who’s ever spoken to a fiber artist knows that you have to make thread from mixed fibers differently .

tThe harm caused by being trans Or one of the other alphabet soup people is mainly due to the years of emotional abuse , rejection and possibly violence coming from family who have mistreated them .

The harm being trans comes from both without and within. They are deeply unhappy and troubled people and if you ever watched the video on those who transitioned back again and spoke plainly, he said he was never happy, he was always looking for the next thing he could do, because then he would be happy, but no he wasn't. Others echoed the same thought that it was a deep issues not solved by transitioning at all. The transitioning simply slapped a bandaid over it.
Even if it wasn't a mental issue (which it is) taking hormones for the rest of your life is harming the body.

 

[Brightmoon]

Obviously you’ve never heard of Christine Jorgenson. She was happy with her transition from male to female. She was one of the first trans people back in the 50s and she was famous for it.

 

[coffee4u]

Obviously you’ve never heard of Christine Jorgenson. She was happy with her transition from male to female. She was one of the first trans people back in the 50s and she was famous for it.

Just because the odd one here and there finds peace, doesn't mean transitioning which is feeding your body with constant hormones and surgery is a healthy choice or a good choice for most. It needs to be seen for the mental condition that it is and what is causing it treated, not swept under the carpet while people dance around cheering.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

I came to faith through reading the Bible, so to me, the scriptures are of far more importance than what any person, church or teacher says.

Agreed.

 

[nolidad]

Obviously you’ve never heard of Christine Jorgenson. She was happy with her transition from male to female. She was one of the first trans people back in the 50s and she was famous for it.

What does it profit her for all eterntiy. He died as a she and if not a believer and born again, he/she may have found a measure of peace and joy in this life, but will suffer eternal torment. That is always a horrible trade, especially when Jesus promises fulness of Joy in Him.

 

[Dansiph]

What does it profit her for all eterntiy. He died as a she and if not a believer and born again, he/she may have found a measure of peace and joy in this life, but will suffer eternal torment. That is always a horrible trade, especially when Jesus promises fulness of Joy in Him.

Matthew 16:26 KJV
(26) For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?

 

[Brightmoon]

What does it profit her for all eterntiy. He died as a she and if not a believer and born again, he/she may have found a measure of peace and joy in this life, but will suffer eternal torment. That is always a horrible trade, especially when Jesus promises fulness of Joy in Him.

So you know this for certain? Funny I never thought of God's judgement having to be vetted by another person. She lived a vibrant much happier life after the operation and that seems to be the norm for transsexuals because they’re aren’t fighting with their own bodies constantly . . I’ll take Ms Jorgenson’s word for it ( well when she was alive)

 

[nolidad]

So you know this for certain? Funny I never thought of God's judgement having to be vetted by another person. She lived a vibrant much happier life after the operation and that seems to be the norm for transsexuals because they’re aren’t fighting with their own bodies constantly . . I’ll take Ms Jorgenson’s word for it ( well when she was alive)

That is why I used that little tiny word "IF" that carries a big meaning! Because it is God who decides where people spend eternity! We can just say if.

 

[coffee4u]

So you know this for certain? Funny I never thought of God's judgement having to be vetted by another person. She lived a vibrant much happier life after the operation and that seems to be the norm for transsexuals because they’re aren’t fighting with their own bodies constantly . . I’ll take Ms Jorgenson’s word for it ( well when she was alive)

As someone who seems to take science so seriously, you don't seem to take the science behind this seriously.

"the medical evidence suggests that sex reassignment does not adequately address the psychosocial difficulties faced by people who identify as transgender. Even when the procedures are successful technically and cosmetically, and even in cultures that are relatively “trans-friendly,” transitioners still face poor outcomes."

Sex Reassignment Doesn’t Work. Here Is the Evidence.

Long-Term Follow-Up of Transsexual Persons Undergoing Sex Reassignment Surgery: Cohort Study in Sweden
Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population.

 

[Brightmoon]

I read most of that . The paper showed that sex reassignment worked to alleviate gender dysphoria. But that the Psychiatric co morbidities of , for example,being mistreated weren’t being addressed and it was causing problems with the population . This is from that PLOS paper

 

[coffee4u]

Sweden is one of the most trans-friendly countries and even there there are issues post-operation.
Even if someone seemingly has everything resolved by changing-although I highly doubt it. This still does not make this a healthy choice. There is way too much of a push towards hormones and surgery as a 'cure' rather than investigating and treating the underlying mental conditions that caused the gender dysphoria in the first place.

 

[Brightmoon]

Gays and transexuals are some of the most abused people in the world . The fact that they have psychological issues other than gender dysphoria shouldn’t be a big secret. Most are happy to have that one issue ( gender dysphoria) resolved. But as that paper stated , they have other psychiatric issues . Public acceptance since the 1990s has alleviated a lot of that . So the unresolved psychiatric issues were rarely about their gender issues , it was about then accepted societal abuse

 

[coffee4u]

Gays and transexuals are some of the most abused people in the world . The fact that they have psychological issues other than gender dysphoria shouldn’t be a big secret. Most are happy to have that one issue ( gender dysphoria) resolved. But as that paper stated , they have other psychiatric issues . Public acceptance since the 1990s has alleviated a lot of that . So the unresolved psychiatric issues were rarely about their gender issues , it was about then accepted societal abuse

Hormones and surgery is not some magical cure. There is no societal abuse in Sweden over this, it's greatly encouraged over there.
True gender dysphoria is a tiny slice of the population, this isn't what is happening now. It's now blown up into a whole culture and it's being pushed on children and teenage girls without the condition. Its never good, and not something to be celebrated, it is a serious topic affecting people for life and the whole attitude towards it is way too casual.

 

[Brightmoon]

Some People are differently sexed than just pure male or pure female. The confusion in young women is partially due to the mixed toxic messages women get as they’re growing up . Also Females tend to be less tracked into being gay or straight than males It has something to do with how out brains are formed IIRC .And society also made it less of a stigma if women were gay but kept it quiet. Like in Greta Garbo’s case . Unisex back in the 70s made taking on roles traditional for the other sex possible . It also confused some people then. Nowadays you’ve got women refusing to put up with the disrespect we had to, for being in a ‘man’s ’ job . Redrawing gender lines is always going to be confusing especially since we’re also formally acknowledging the fact that sex and gender isn’t just male or just female

 

[nolidad]

Sweden is one of the most trans-friendly countries and even there there are issues post-operation.
Even if someone seemingly has everything resolved by changing-although I highly doubt it. This still does not make this a healthy choice. There is way too much of a push towards hormones and surgery as a 'cure' rather than investigating and treating the underlying mental conditions that caused the gender dysphoria in the first place.

And if these transexuals do not accept Christ as SAvior, though they get to live in the sex of their dreams (not reality) they are still doomed forever!

A transexual can get saved after altering how God made them.