Why is there no mention of this?

[Lizquests]

I was just wondering why there is no mention of dinosaurs anywhere? Why did God create dinosaurs before He created us?

I'm not sure if there are any hard facts out there on this, but I was just wondering what people thought about this?

Thanks for any input.

 

[MattMMMan17]

There were no dinosaurs!!! They NEVER existed! How can you simple-minded people NOT understand that?! It's a LIE!!! A government conspiracy to overthrow the Church and deny the existence of a God! They are lies purported by the devil!

Note: No, I do not think that.

Perhaps to make us ask questions like "Why did God create dinosaurs before He created us?" So it gives us a little doubt. But through our Faith, we pull through it unscathed. And we are far better off for it.

 

[seebs]

Why shouldn't He?

 

[Lizquests]

Wow Matt, you scared me there for a second until I saw your note.

 

[MattMMMan17]

 

[eunice]

yeah didnt it say in the bible that he created all land creatures before us? and also~ jst cuz the bible doesn't mention dinosaurs doesn't mean they never existed...the bible never mentioned .....sloths to my knowledge.

 

[Lizquests]

I know that Dinosaurs existed, but I was just wondering why God created them before us?

Well, maybe I just answered my own question by reading: Genesis 1:20-24.
" And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that halth life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good. And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth. And the evening and the morning were the fifth day. And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and "creeping things, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so."

Maybe, a day for us is 24 hours, and to God it is thousands of years. So then there would have been plenty of time for dinosaurs to exist.

Just another thought.

 

[doulos]

I was just wondering why there is no mention of dinosaurs anywhere? Why did God create dinosaurs before He created us?

I'm not sure if there are any hard facts out there on this, but I was just wondering what people thought about this?

Thanks for any input.

Hi, Liz,

The word "dinosaurs" was not coined till late in the 18th. Century, and it means "Terrible Lizards". So if they are mentioned in the Bible, they do not appear under that name. In fact, they seem to be mentioned in Job, the mysterious Behemoth and Leviathan, which could be a something like a Diplodocus and a Chronosaurus, respectively. If you read about Behemoth in Job 40:15 and following, you will see a beast that is NOT a Hippo, as claimed sometimes (a Hippo does not have a tail like a cedar tree, as it is said of Behemoth and as a Diplodocus had, v. 17). Read the whole description and then of Leviathan, Job 41:1, and you will see that the description is not that of a crocodile, as claimed by some, but that of an awesome creature, responding very much to the features of a Chronosaurus ...

Then, in Genesis 1:21 you have "And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good", where great whales means really "great sea monsters" or "great sea dragons".

The are books written on the subject of the dinosaurs and the pre- and post-diluvian world. I can give you bibliographic info if you are interested.

Best regards,

doulos

 

[cyberwing]

Actually Lizquests, HE did mention them.
* Leviathon was the great water beast and Behemoth is the great land beast. There is much we do not understand fully but these creatures were very, very large according to God's standards. They are mentioned in Job for example and I know other places in the old testament. So the Bible does NOT rule out dinosaurs, nor does it rule out other beings besides humans. We know God created the angels, arch angels, seraphim and cherabim and the descriptions of these are very different from humans so we know God created more than one race of beings. So I think we must be VERY careful jumping to conclusions. The Bible is a wonderous book and worthy of a LIFETIME of study!
Be blessed precious one on your journey of discovery with our Lord Jesus!
~Cyberwing

 

[secretdawn]

does this mean that dinosaurs and humans co-exsisted...

 

[Lizquests]

I never knew that they were mentioned in Job. I will definately check that out. Thanks for the info.

 

[doulos]

does this mean that dinosaurs and humans co-exsisted...

Well, yes, why not? Of course, now they are extint, but many species have become extint from the time of creation (effect of the Fall and the Curse). In fact, the many stories of Dragons in China, India, Europe and other parts of the world attest to these type of beings as contemporary with men.

Best,

doulos

 

[Lizquests]

Doulos - What is the effect of the Fall and the Curse? Is that a book?

 

[doulos]

Doulos - What is the effect of the Fall and the Curse? Is that a book?

There ARE books on the effect of the Fall and of the Curse. In fact, the Bible itself is all around this theme. Because man fell away from God in sinful disobedience, God cursed the ground for his sake (Genesis 3). There was a curse set upon everything that had been put under man, and man himself became a captive of Satan. Death reigned from Adam on, till Christ came, the Son of God become a Man, partaking of flesh and blood, made like unto us sin excepted, so that by His voluntary death He could effect eternal redemption and set us free in Resurrection power. Of course, we are waiting for the full effect of His redemption to be applied in His coming for His own and then for His Kingdom to be set up.

But this means for the created order under man is that death and corruption reigned and are making their effects felt. This means also extintion of many types of animals due to changing and deteriorating conditions of this earth, pollution, man's bad stewardship of God's creation, as well as God's direct judgments, as at the Flood. All this will find its end in the coming of Jesus Christ, when the Curse shall vanish away, as it is said in Romans 8:19-21:

For the anxious looking out of the creature expects the revelation of the sons of God: for the creature has been made subject to vanity, not of its will, but by reason of him who has subjected the same, in hope that the creature itself also shall be set free from the bondage of corruption into the liberty of the glory of the children of God.​

Best regards, in Christ Jesus our Lord,

doulos

 

[Karl - Liberal Backslider]

does this mean that dinosaurs and humans co-exsisted...

There are people who would like to make you think so. However, they did not. A gap of 60 million years or more seperates them. This alone demonstrates that the references in Job are not of dinosaurs.

Anyone else hear the sound of a creation/evolution debate unnecessarily winging its way hither?

To answer the OP - I do not know the means by which God used the evolutionary process to produce His intended companions - us. The dinosaurs most certainly had a lot to do with it - it was within the environment that their domination of the Mesozoic fauna created that our early mammalian ancestors evolved the way they did, and without them things would have been different. Without their demise, also, we would never have been - but perhaps God would have initiated spiritual life in a highly intelligent dinosaur descendent instead? Who knows?

God created much that we will never see. There are unquestionably millions of planets in our own solar system we will never observe. They doubtless have beautiful landscapes, great mountains and who knows what else. But we will never see them. They are isolated from us by great distance, just as the dinosaurs are by great swathes of time. God presumably creates because He likes it.

 

[Blessed-one]

yeah.. i thought dinosaurs and humans lived at the same time.

 

[doulos]

The idea that a gap of 60 million years or so separate dinosaurs and man is an assumption based on the conjecture of a progressive development of life, the evolutionary idea. Scripture certainly gives a picture in which death does not come in the kosmos (created order of things) until man sinned. Creation was subjected to corruption and death as a consequence of the sin of man, its head. Evolutionism would make of the death of innumerable life-forms the motor of progress. But death, according to Scripture, is something that has intervened after creation, not a means by which God created.

Scripture certainly places man and all of creation together in time. And there is much evidence in History of the encounters and fights of man with huge monsters called dragons. The descriptions of the book of Job and the mentions in Scripture of the "tanniyn" (great dragons) point to the same.

If one believes in evolutionism, of course he won't be able to accept the coexistence of dinosaurs and man. But there is no denying the evidence that in fact they did coexist and that the time-scale generally proposed from an evolutionistic viewpoint is most certainly open to question.

doulos

 

[Karl - Liberal Backslider]

I was right - here comes the creation/evolution debate

The idea that a gap of 60 million years or so separate dinosaurs and man is an assumption based on the conjecture of a progressive development of life, the evolutionary idea.

BZZZZT!!! Thanks for playing, but wrong answer. The fact that the rocks which contain dinosaur remains are far older than any containing human remains was well known long before Darwin. It was geologists and palaeontologists, not evolutionary biologists, who discovered this.

The progression of life through the geological record was one of the lines of evidence for evolutionary theory, but your version has them the wrong way round.

Scripture certainly gives a picture in which death does not come in the kosmos (created order of things) until man sinned. Creation was subjected to corruption and death as a consequence of the sin of man, its head. Evolutionism would make of the death of innumerable life-forms the motor of progress. But death, according to Scripture, is something that has intervened after creation, not a means by which God created.

No. The death that Adam experienced when he took the fruit "the day you eat it" was not physical death, because Adam still died. Moreover, Adam is expelled from Eden so that he can't eat of the tree of life and live for ever. Clearly he was created mortal and would only be immortal if he ate of that tree. Death is interwoven into the very structure of the universe. Nowhere does the Bible say that physical death was completely absent from the world before a historical fall.

Scripture certainly places man and all of creation together in time. And there is much evidence in History of the encounters and fights of man with huge monsters called dragons. The descriptions of the book of Job and the mentions in Scripture of the "tanniyn" (great dragons) point to the same.

Many mythologies point to monstrous creatures. Are we also to accept the Jotun of Icelandic myth as evidence of giants large enough to create worlds out of the remains of?

If one believes in evolutionism, of course he won't be able to accept the coexistence of dinosaurs and man. But there is no denying the evidence that in fact they did coexist

There is no such evidence, but much to the contrary.

and that the time-scale generally proposed from an evolutionistic viewpoint is most certainly open to question.

Do feel free to explain why over in the science and evolution forum. May you fare better than most who try....

doulos

 

[secretdawn]

I was right - here comes the creation/evolution debate


BZZZZT!!! Thanks for playing, but wrong answer. The fact that the rocks which contain dinosaur remains are far older than any containing human remains was well known long before Darwin. It was geologists and palaeontologists, not evolutionary biologists, who discovered this.

The progression of life through the geological record was one of the lines of evidence for evolutionary theory, but your version has them the wrong way round.


No. The death that Adam experienced when he took the fruit "the day you eat it" was not physical death, because Adam still died. Moreover, Adam is expelled from Eden so that he can't eat of the tree of life and live for ever. Clearly he was created mortal and would only be immortal if he ate of that tree. Death is interwoven into the very structure of the universe. Nowhere does the Bible say that physical death was completely absent from the world before a historical fall.


Many mythologies point to monstrous creatures. Are we also to accept the Jotun of Icelandic myth as evidence of giants large enough to create worlds out of the remains of?


There is no such evidence, but much to the contrary.


Do feel free to explain why over in the science and evolution forum. May you fare better than most who try....

But isn't there a possiblility that our science is off...for example I have heard that the carbon dating process is very sensitive and can easily be mistaken if everything isn't perfect...or we could be completely wrong all together, I mean people can make mistakes
Then again there is that other argument that one day for the Lord was many thousands of years...

 

[Karl - Liberal Backslider]

There's the possibility that the entire universe was made by my cat, Suky, last Thursday and all memories from before that date were falsely implanted in us.

We have to look at what's more likely.

Carbon dating is actually very accurate when properly used. But it's fairly irrelevant because it only goes back 50,000 years and only works on organic - i.e. not fossilised - material. When we date stuff we use a number of independent dating methods. Only if they agree do we take them as reliable. Some dating methods, such as isochron dating, contain their own self correction - if the assumptions on which they rely aren't correct, you cannot extract a date at all, because there is no straight line to get a gradient from.

The thing about mainstream science is that a large number evidence from a number of different areas all point to the same conclusions. For example, cytochrome C analysis confirming the same relationships as morphological analysis; retro-viral insertion data confirming the relationships found from morphology, and so on.

Days as a thousand years is interesting, but doesn't really work. I'm not at all convinced that the days are chronological at all, but rather organisational.