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Why is the Sabbath important to God?

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re op title:
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simple, really. start reading in genesis, read right through, joyfully, hopefully and willing to know and obey the truth no matter what......
.....(it is a surprise in store for you, whoever seeks the truth - a great surprise that no man can tell you ! )

....and Dad's Promise is that He Himself will Breathe Life into your soul :
Truth, Whole, Complete..... Healing and Wellness and Union with Him.....

no man can find Him, nor any part of Him -- no man has even sought Him -- on their own [it is written].

so don't expect man to explain God's thoughts or purposes.

why did God set the Sabbath as a sign for those who trust Him ?
why did God set the Sabbath for eternity ?

His Word tells it simply; man messes it up.

Thank you, and welcome.....Do you mind given answers to some questions we seek answers for?
We dont put the burden on your answers, but you sure can help our discussion by sharing how the Jewish nations see God's sabbath commandments.

Shalom
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Gods Law of love which is eternal defines the transgression or sin.

1 John 3:4
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

As I asked you before if you could edify us as to what transgression or sin the tassel defines, maybe go over it with Tall73 as he is a good christian and honest reader of scripture, and if there is a sin there, he will find it and bring it for the edification of the believers.

I am slowly learning to love God and others as I gain the understanding of what Jesus has set forth, so I am always open and willing to listen to those who love the Lord and teach of His truth....

Your brother in Christ
Red

:scratch: Red, who are you addressing?
 
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Oops,

Sorry, was running late to work........I was addressing this post:

Yes I do think you should answer the questions. You said


The Bible also says to wear tassels, but the only reason you can give me as to why you don't wear the tassels is because you can remember the commandments without them. But the tassels are a command from God and found in the Bible. Are you trying to figure out how much you can get away with and still be right in God's eyes? Is any command from God a little thing? So you condemn non-Sabbatarians as trying to figure out how much they can get away with, but in the same time you condemn yourself because you are (by your explanation) dismissing the command to wear tassels. So what is the rational for no longer wearing tassels? Where does the Bible say you are not to wear tassels anymore? By the rational you gave you could also dismiss the command to not kill because you don't need that command in order to not kill someone.
 
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Gods Law of love which is eternal defines the transgression or sin.

1 John 3:4
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

The tassels were a command from God. Numbers 15 says "37 Again the LORD spoke to Moses, saying, 38 “Speak to the children of Israel: Tell them to make tassels on the corners of their garments throughout their generations, and to put a blue thread in the tassels of the corners. 39 And you shall have the tassel, that you may look upon it and remember all the commandments of the LORD and do them, and that you may not follow the harlotry to which your own heart and your own eyes are inclined, 40 and that you may remember and do all My commandments, and be holy for your God. 41 I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, to be your God: I am the LORD your God.”"


As I asked you before if you could edify us as to what transgression or sin the tassel defines, maybe go over it with Tall73 as he is a good christian and honest reader of scripture, and if there is a sin there, he will find it and bring it for the edification of the believers.

I'm sorry I don't remember you ever asking me to tell you what sin the tassel defines. God commanded the people to wear tassels. Wouldn't not following a command of God be a sin? If God said to wear a purple hat then not wearing a purple hat would be a sin. I have no problem with the tassel issue, but I am trying to understand how you can rationalize not wearing tassels when they are a reminder of the commandments of God. Where does the Bible say you are not to wear tassels anymore? Can you pick and choose which commands are applicable?

You were the one who said that non-Sabbatarians are trying to get away with not following the commands of God. I have showed you a command of God and you have not shown me from the Bible any reason to stop keeping that command. Are you saying that you cannot show from the Bible that you are not to wear tassels anymore?
 
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That is why he defines the Law in the 10 Commandments which makes it clear what His eternal standards are, the mosaic laws were for them to point them to and look for the Messiah. That is why I asked if you could go over this with Tall73 as it is area I have to defer to more knowlegable scholars.
 
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That is why he defines the Law in the 10 Commandments which makes it clear what His eternal standards are, the mosaic laws were for them to point them to and look for the Messiah. That is why I asked if you could go over this with Tall73 as it is area I have to defer to more knowlegable scholars.

I am asking you because you are the one who said that non-Sabbatarians are trying to get away with not following the commands of God. Tall73 didn't say that. I am trying to understand your rational for obeying some of the commands and not others.

So you are saying that sin is only violating the 10 commandments? Do you believe it is it a sin for you to eat ham? Is it a sin to not tithe?

Do you realize these commands are in what you call the Mosaic law?

Leviticus 19 "17 ‘You shall not hate your brother in your heart. You shall surely rebuke your neighbor, and not bear sin because of him. 18 You shall not take vengeance, nor bear any grudge against the children of your people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself: I am the LORD."

Is this command no longer applicable?

Deut 6 "5 You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your strength. "

Why do you say some parts of what you call the Mosaic law are applicable and some are not? And why would a reminder of the commandments not be applicable?
 
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IMHO I dont think you are searching for truth from your questions. I have never heard of this issue from any theologian, church, or pastor so I am refering you to more learned scholar to go over so you can bring us a better understanding so everyone can be blessed and evil be averted.

As you can see the Lord "The LORD said to Moses, 2 "Speak to the Israelites and say to them" and "and bid them", this is not even close to being a commandment or Gods Law.

Numbers 15

Supplementary Offerings

1 The LORD said to Moses, 2 "Speak to the Israelites and say to them: 'After you enter the land I am giving you as a home 3 and you present to the LORD offerings made by fire, from the herd or the flock, as an aroma pleasing to the LORD -whether burnt offerings or sacrifices, for special vows or freewill offerings or festival offerings- 4 then the one who brings his offering shall present to the LORD a grain offering of a tenth of an ephah [a] of fine flour mixed with a quarter of a hin [b] of oil. 5 With each lamb for the burnt offering or the sacrifice, prepare a quarter of a hin of wine as a drink offering.

6 " 'With a ram prepare a grain offering of two-tenths of an ephah [c] of fine flour mixed with a third of a hin [d] of oil, 7 and a third of a hin of wine as a drink offering. Offer it as an aroma pleasing to the LORD.
8 " 'When you prepare a young bull as a burnt offering or sacrifice, for a special vow or a fellowship offering [e] to the LORD, 9 bring with the bull a grain offering of three-tenths of an ephah [f] of fine flour mixed with half a hin [g] of oil. 10 Also bring half a hin of wine as a drink offering. It will be an offering made by fire, an aroma pleasing to the LORD. 11 Each bull or ram, each lamb or young goat, is to be prepared in this manner. 12 Do this for each one, for as many as you prepare.
13 " 'Everyone who is native-born must do these things in this way when he brings an offering made by fire as an aroma pleasing to the LORD. 14 For the generations to come, whenever an alien or anyone else living among you presents an offering made by fire as an aroma pleasing to the LORD, he must do exactly as you do. 15 The community is to have the same rules for you and for the alien living among you; this is a lasting ordinance for the generations to come. You and the alien shall be the same before the LORD : 16 The same laws and regulations will apply both to you and to the alien living among you.' "
17 The LORD said to Moses, 18 "Speak to the Israelites and say to them: 'When you enter the land to which I am taking you 19 and you eat the food of the land, present a portion as an offering to the LORD. 20 Present a cake from the first of your ground meal and present it as an offering from the threshing floor. 21 Throughout the generations to come you are to give this offering to the LORD from the first of your ground meal. Offerings for Unintentional Sins

22 " 'Now if you unintentionally fail to keep any of these commands the LORD gave Moses- 23 any of the LORD's commands to you through him, from the day the LORD gave them and continuing through the generations to come- 24 and if this is done unintentionally without the community being aware of it, then the whole community is to offer a young bull for a burnt offering as an aroma pleasing to the LORD, along with its prescribed grain offering and drink offering, and a male goat for a sin offering. 25 The priest is to make atonement for the whole Israelite community, and they will be forgiven, for it was not intentional and they have brought to the LORD for their wrong an offering made by fire and a sin offering. 26 The whole Israelite community and the aliens living among them will be forgiven, because all the people were involved in the unintentional wrong.

27 " 'But if just one person sins unintentionally, he must bring a year-old female goat for a sin offering. 28 The priest is to make atonement before the LORD for the one who erred by sinning unintentionally, and when atonement has been made for him, he will be forgiven. 29 One and the same law applies to everyone who sins unintentionally, whether he is a native-born Israelite or an alien.
30 " 'But anyone who sins defiantly, whether native-born or alien, blasphemes the LORD, and that person must be cut off from his people. 31 Because he has despised the LORD's word and broken his commands, that person must surely be cut off; his guilt remains on him.' " The Sabbath-Breaker Put to Death

32 While the Israelites were in the desert, a man was found gathering wood on the Sabbath day. 33 Those who found him gathering wood brought him to Moses and Aaron and the whole assembly, 34 and they kept him in custody, because it was not clear what should be done to him. 35 Then the LORD said to Moses, "The man must die. The whole assembly must stone him outside the camp." 36 So the assembly took him outside the camp and stoned him to death, as the LORD commanded Moses.
Tassels on Garments

37 The LORD said to Moses, 38 "Speak to the Israelites and say to them: 'Throughout the generations to come you are to make tassels on the corners of your garments, with a blue cord on each tassel. 39 You will have these tassels to look at and so you will remember all the commands of the LORD, that you may obey them and not prostitute yourselves by going after the lusts of your own hearts and eyes. 40 Then you will remember to obey all my commands and will be consecrated to your God. 41 I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt to be your God. I am the LORD your God.' "


Numbers 15 (KJV)


1And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
2Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye be come into the land of your habitations, which I give unto you,
3And will make an offering by fire unto the LORD, a burnt offering, or a sacrifice in performing a vow, or in a freewill offering, or in your solemn feasts, to make a sweet savour unto the LORD, of the herd or of the flock:
4Then shall he that offereth his offering unto the LORD bring a meat offering of a tenth deal of flour mingled with the fourth part of an hin of oil.
5And the fourth part of an hin of wine for a drink offering shalt thou prepare with the burnt offering or sacrifice, for one lamb.
6Or for a ram, thou shalt prepare for a meat offering two tenth deals of flour mingled with the third part of an hin of oil.
7And for a drink offering thou shalt offer the third part of an hin of wine, for a sweet savour unto the LORD.
8And when thou preparest a bullock for a burnt offering, or for a sacrifice in performing a vow, or peace offerings unto the LORD:
9Then shall he bring with a bullock a meat offering of three tenth deals of flour mingled with half an hin of oil.
10And thou shalt bring for a drink offering half an hin of wine, for an offering made by fire, of a sweet savour unto the LORD.
11Thus shall it be done for one bullock, or for one ram, or for a lamb, or a kid.
12According to the number that ye shall prepare, so shall ye do to every one according to their number.
13All that are born of the country shall do these things after this manner, in offering an offering made by fire, of a sweet savour unto the LORD.
14And if a stranger sojourn with you, or whosoever be among you in your generations, and will offer an offering made by fire, of a sweet savour unto the LORD; as ye do, so he shall do.
15One ordinance shall be both for you of the congregation, and also for the stranger that sojourneth with you, an ordinance for ever in your generations: as ye are, so shall the stranger be before the LORD.
16One law and one manner shall be for you, and for the stranger that sojourneth with you.
17And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
18Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye come into the land whither I bring you,
19Then it shall be, that, when ye eat of the bread of the land, ye shall offer up an heave offering unto the LORD.
20Ye shall offer up a cake of the first of your dough for an heave offering: as ye do the heave offering of the threshingfloor, so shall ye heave it.
21Of the first of your dough ye shall give unto the LORD an heave offering in your generations.
22And if ye have erred, and not observed all these commandments, which the LORD hath spoken unto Moses,
23Even all that the LORD hath commanded you by the hand of Moses, from the day that the LORD commanded Moses, and henceforward among your generations;
24Then it shall be, if ought be committed by ignorance without the knowledge of the congregation, that all the congregation shall offer one young bullock for a burnt offering, for a sweet savour unto the LORD, with his meat offering, and his drink offering, according to the manner, and one kid of the goats for a sin offering.
25And the priest shall make an atonement for all the congregation of the children of Israel, and it shall be forgiven them; for it is ignorance: and they shall bring their offering, a sacrifice made by fire unto the LORD, and their sin offering before the LORD, for their ignorance:
26And it shall be forgiven all the congregation of the children of Israel, and the stranger that sojourneth among them; seeing all the people were in ignorance.
27And if any soul sin through ignorance, then he shall bring a she goat of the first year for a sin offering.
28And the priest shall make an atonement for the soul that sinneth ignorantly, when he sinneth by ignorance before the LORD, to make an atonement for him; and it shall be forgiven him.
29Ye shall have one law for him that sinneth through ignorance, both for him that is born among the children of Israel, and for the stranger that sojourneth among them.
30But the soul that doeth ought presumptuously, whether he be born in the land, or a stranger, the same reproacheth the LORD; and that soul shall be cut off from among his people.
31Because he hath despised the word of the LORD, and hath broken his commandment, that soul shall utterly be cut off; his iniquity shall be upon him.
32And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day.
33And they that found him gathering sticks brought him unto Moses and Aaron, and unto all the congregation.
34And they put him in ward, because it was not declared what should be done to him.
35And the LORD said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp.
36And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the LORD commanded Moses.
37And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
38Speak unto the children of Israel, and bid them that they make them fringes in the borders of their garments throughout their generations, and that they put upon the fringe of the borders a ribband of blue:
39And it shall be unto you for a fringe, that ye may look upon it, and remember all the commandments of the LORD, and do them ; and that ye seek not after your own heart and your own eyes, after which ye use to go a whoring:
40That ye may remember, and do all my commandments, and be holy unto your God. 41I am the LORD your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, to be your God: I am the LORD your God.
 
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IMHO I dont think you are searching for truth from your questions. I have never heard of this issue from any theologian, church, or pastor so I am refering you to more learned scholar to go over so you can bring us a better understanding so everyone can be blessed and evil be averted.

Why would it be evil to ask you some pointed questions? I have a full understanding why I don't wear tassels. You said

...If the Bible says we are to keep the Sabbath then why wouldn't you want to do it? Are we as christians trying to figure out how much we can get away with and still be right in God's eyes. I don't consider the Sabbath a 'little thing' but isn't it the 'little things' that we do that really show our love to someone, including God. Absolutely!

In response I have asked you if the Bible says we are to wear tassels why wouldn't you want to do it. If you can make that statement to non-Sabbatarians you should be able to respond to people questionning your ideas.

As you can see the Lord "The LORD said to Moses, 2 "Speak to the Israelites and say to them" and "and bid them", this is not even close to being a commandment or Gods Law.

The Hebrew word amar is translated as command at least 30 times in the OT. You are saying that wearing tassels was optional? How do you determine which commands are optional or not?

Here is an example of the Hebrew word amar being translated as command. The translated amar is bolded:

Nehemiah 13
"9 Then I commanded them to cleanse the rooms; and I brought back into them the articles of the house of God, with the grain offering and the frankincense.
10 I also realized that the portions for the Levites had not been given them; for each of the Levites and the singers who did the work had gone back to his field. 11 So I contended with the rulers, and said, “Why is the house of God forsaken?” And I gathered them together and set them in their place. 12 Then all Judah brought the tithe of the grain and the new wine and the oil to the storehouse. 13 And I appointed as treasurers over the storehouse Shelemiah the priest and Zadok the scribe, and of the Levites, Pedaiah; and next to them was Hanan the son of Zaccur, the son of Mattaniah; for they were considered faithful, and their task was to distribute to their brethren.
14 Remember me, O my God, concerning this, and do not wipe out my good deeds that I have done for the house of my God, and for its services!
15 In those days I saw people in Judah treading wine presses on the Sabbath, and bringing in sheaves, and loading donkeys with wine, grapes, figs, and all kinds of burdens, which they brought into Jerusalem on the Sabbath day. And I warned them about the day on which they were selling provisions. 16 Men of Tyre dwelt there also, who brought in fish and all kinds of goods, and sold them on the Sabbath to the children of Judah, and in Jerusalem.
17 Then I contended with the nobles of Judah, and said to them, “What evil thing is this that you do, by which you profane the Sabbath day? 18 Did not your fathers do thus, and did not our God bring all this disaster on us and on this city? Yet you bring added wrath on Israel by profaning the Sabbath.”
19 So it was, at the gates of Jerusalem, as it began to be dark before the Sabbath, that I commanded the gates to be shut, and charged that they must not be opened till after the Sabbath. Then I posted some of my servants at the gates, so that no burdens would be brought in on the Sabbath day. 20 Now the merchants and sellers of all kinds of wares lodged outside Jerusalem once or twice.21 Then I warned them, and said to them, “Why do you spend the night around the wall? If you do so again, I will lay hands on you!” From that time on they came no more on the Sabbath. 22 And I commanded the Levites that they should cleanse themselves, and that they should go and guard the gates, to sanctify the Sabbath day.
Remember me, O my God, concerning this also, and spare me according to the greatness of Your mercy! "
 
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When you try to start a controversy over tassles, you are not being led by the Holy Spirit, it is another.


23Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
24Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel. 25Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess. Matthew23:23-25
 
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When you try to start a controversy over tassles, you are not being led by the Holy Spirit, it is another.


23Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
24Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel. 25Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess. Matthew23:23-25
Come on Reddogs! All Eila did was quote a command from the old covenant and ask you if you kept it. You have been quoting commands from the old covenant and saying we should keep them. Is it to much to expect an answer from you? She has a valid question, it has much to do with the current validity of the law. She is just quoting scripture! If you can't answer, maybe you should do some soul-searching and some Bible searching instead of attacking her and dismissing the Bible verses. (sorry, Eila, I know you can fight your own battles, but this is getting ridicules.). God bless! Ricker
 
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When you try to start a controversy over tassles, you are not being led by the Holy Spirit, it is another.


23Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
24Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel. 25Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess. Matthew23:23-25

What controversy? You hold to the validity of certain commands in the old covenant. How do you know what commands you should keep? How do you know what commands are optional?

The tassels are a reminder of the commandments. If you are not able to answer the question that is fine. But please refrain from condemning those who do not believe they are under the old covenant.

If you cannot explain Biblically why you do not need to keep certain commands in the old covenant why should I listen to you when you say I should keep some of the commands in the old covenant?

So again I ask, what is the Biblical rational for choosing certain items in the old covenant and rejecting others? And if you believe the 10 commandments remain why would a reminder of commandments not remain?
 
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Lets just say it is much ado over a non-issue and I am dissappointed that she made so much about it. But this has happened before with her and thus my comments. I thought we were at a place were we wouldnt place such blatant uneeded "snipe hunts" in each others paths, and seek the truth as fellow believers, not trip each other with bad intent......
 
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Lets just say it is much ado over a non-issue and I am dissappointed that she made so much about it. But this has happened before with her and thus my comments. I thought we were at a place were we wouldnt place such blatant uneeded "snipe hunts" in each others paths, and seek the truth as fellow believers......

I am questioning the validity of the old covenant law. You say part of it stands and part of it does not, but you cannot explain why part of it does fall. You are the one who brought up the issue that non-Sabbatarians are trying to see how much they can get away with when you are not even keeping the whole law.

It is a very important issue. Galatians 3 says "10For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, "Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them." 11Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for "The righteous shall live by faith." 12But the law is not of faith, rather "The one who does them shall live by them.""
 
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There are always thing written to help us in our Christian life that are specific reason or purpose verses what is clearly a Commandment which God sets forth or derives from them, here is Paul making a clear definition between his counsel and the Law:

4The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife.
5Defraud ye not one the other, except it be with consent for a time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again, that Satan tempt you not for your incontinency. 6But I speak this by permission, and not of commandment. 1 Corinthians 7:4-6
 
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There are always thing written to help us in our Christian life that are specific reason or purpose verses what is clearly a Commandment which God sets forth or derives from them, here is Paul making a clear definition between his counsel and the Law:

4The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife.
5Defraud ye not one the other, except it be with consent for a time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again, that Satan tempt you not for your incontinency. 6But I speak this by permission, and not of commandment. 1 Corinthians 7:4-6

Yes, I understand the distinction made here.

However the tassels command came directly from God.

Numbers 15 "
37And the Lord said to Moses,
38Speak to the Israelites and bid them make fringes or tassels on the corners in the borders of their garments throughout their generations, and put upon the fringe of the borders or upon the tassel of each corner a cord of blue."

How do you distinguish between commands you should keep and commands you do not need to keep?
 
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man shall not live by bread alone, but by a steady stream of words from God's mouth.....

see, it is not a list of commands nor instructions that if you keep them you'll be okay (although Jesus said if you break them you are not His)

so few people know Yahweh, yet so many claim to, that's why there are so many questions and so much confusion...

once you are in union with Yahweh by immersion in Yahshua, the questions are simply satisfied, no more strife, no more disobedience.
 
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