LDS why is the BOM in King James English

[Rescued One]

Joseph did not lose the plates, he lost the manuscript for the Book of Lehi or it could have been stolen when Martin Harris took it to show it to his wife.

He had his head in a hat when he dictated the Book of Mormon. The plates weren't in the hat.

 

[mmksparbud]

He had his head in a hat when he dictated the Book of Mormon. The plates weren't in the hat.

So--- he did not have the plates when he had his head in the hat---how can he translate the plates without the plates? And if it could be done without the plates, why have the plates at all? And if the plates were not needed, it didn't matter if they got stolen for he didn't need them anyway---??????

 

[Rescued One]

Take a look:

Book of Mormon Origins | An LDS Soul

 

[mmksparbud]

Take a look:

Book of Mormon Origins | An LDS Soul

Ummmm----doesn't answer my questions above---makes them even more in need of answers!! Now it's a computer that he had in his hat, a miniature one at that, all the more reason to say---why all the need for the plates to begin with---and it certainly wouldn't matter if they were lost, or stolen.

 

[He is the way]

He had his head in a hat when he dictated the Book of Mormon. The plates weren't in the hat.

Joseph Smith used the plates to translate the Book of Lehi through revelation from God. There are at least eleven witnesses to the plates. After the Book of Lehi was either lost or stolen Joseph Smith lost his ability to translate for a time. Translating the Book of Lehi was a slow process. God made it possible for Joseph Smith to use a seer stone in a hat to finish dictating the Book of Mormon. The exact date that the plates were returned to the angel Moroni is not known, but it is believed to be around June of 1929.

 

[mmksparbud]

Joseph Smith used the plates to translate the Book of Lehi through revelation from God. There are at least eleven witnesses to the plates. After the Book of Lehi was either lost or stolen Joseph Smith lost his ability to translate for a time. Translating the Book of Lehi was a slow process. God made it possible for Joseph Smith to use a seer stone in a hat to finish dictating the Book of Mormon. The exact date that the plates were returned to the angel Moroni is not known, but it is believed to be around June of 1929.

Yet, you insist that he had no plates when his head was in the hat. So, again, it is not adding up in my head. If he did not need the plates when his head was in the hat, what was he translating for he had no plates. What am I missing?

 

[He is the way]

Yet, you insist that he had no plates when his head was in the hat. So, again, it is not adding up in my head. If he did not need the plates when his head was in the hat, what was he translating for he had no plates. What am I missing?

I believe you are missing the fact that all of the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine and Covenants, and the Pearl of Great Price was given to Joseph Smith by revelation. The Bible also was given by revelation:

(Old Testament | Exodus 4:10 - 17)

10 ¶ And Moses said unto the LORD, O my Lord, I am not eloquent, neither heretofore, nor since thou hast spoken unto thy servant: but I am slow of speech, and of a slow tongue.
11 And the LORD said unto him, Who hath made man's mouth? or who maketh the dumb, or deaf, or the seeing, or the blind? have not I the LORD?
12 Now therefore go, and I will be with thy mouth, and teach thee what thou shalt say.
13 And he said, O my Lord, send, I pray thee, by the hand of him whom thou wilt send.
14 And the anger of the LORD was kindled against Moses, and he said, Is not Aaron the Levite thy brother? I know that he can speak well. And also, behold, he cometh forth to meet thee: and when he seeth thee, he will be glad in his heart.
15 And thou shalt speak unto him, and put words in his mouth: and I will be with thy mouth, and with his mouth, and will teach you what ye shall do.
16 And he shall be thy spokesman unto the people: and he shall be, even he shall be to thee instead of a mouth, and thou shalt be to him instead of God.
17 And thou shalt take this rod in thine hand, wherewith thou shalt do signs.

(New Testament | John 14:26)

26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

(New Testament | 2 Peter 1:21)

21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

However, the plates were necessary as proof that a record was kept by those who lived here in the Americas and that Joseph Smith didn't just make it up. That is one of the reasons for the plates and of course the plates were handed down from generation to generation by the people who lived here so they would have guidance from God.

 

[Peter1000]

He had his head in a hat when he dictated the Book of Mormon. The plates weren't in the hat.

Your right, the plates were not in the hat. But he did have golden plates that he had translated the Lehi manuscript from. Many saw the plates and many testify they saw the plates. Can't get around the testimonies of many who never denied their testimonies.

 

[Peter1000]

Yet, you insist that he had no plates when his head was in the hat. So, again, it is not adding up in my head. If he did not need the plates when his head was in the hat, what was he translating for he had no plates. What am I missing?

Add this up:

1) the Lord brought JS the golden plates. For a real hands on testiment of the reality of the people written about on the plates.
2) JS translates very slowly and methodically with the plates and the U&T.
3) after he did this, the Lord told him he could read from the stone and do the translation much faster, which he did.

So JS needed the plates for a reality check, and then finished the translation with the stone.

Not too difficult to get your head around that, unless you are anti JS.

 

[mmksparbud]

I believe you are missing the fact that all of the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine and Covenants, and the Pearl of Great Price was given to Joseph Smith by revelation. The Bible also was given by revelation:

(Old Testament | Exodus 4:10 - 17)

10 ¶ And Moses said unto the LORD, O my Lord, I am not eloquent, neither heretofore, nor since thou hast spoken unto thy servant: but I am slow of speech, and of a slow tongue.
11 And the LORD said unto him, Who hath made man's mouth? or who maketh the dumb, or deaf, or the seeing, or the blind? have not I the LORD?
12 Now therefore go, and I will be with thy mouth, and teach thee what thou shalt say.
13 And he said, O my Lord, send, I pray thee, by the hand of him whom thou wilt send.
14 And the anger of the LORD was kindled against Moses, and he said, Is not Aaron the Levite thy brother? I know that he can speak well. And also, behold, he cometh forth to meet thee: and when he seeth thee, he will be glad in his heart.
15 And thou shalt speak unto him, and put words in his mouth: and I will be with thy mouth, and with his mouth, and will teach you what ye shall do.
16 And he shall be thy spokesman unto the people: and he shall be, even he shall be to thee instead of a mouth, and thou shalt be to him instead of God.
17 And thou shalt take this rod in thine hand, wherewith thou shalt do signs.

(New Testament | John 14:26)

26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

(New Testament | 2 Peter 1:21)

21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

However, the plates were necessary as proof that a record was kept by those who lived here in the Americas and that Joseph Smith didn't just make it up. That is one of the reasons for the plates and of course the plates were handed down from generation to generation by the people who lived here so they would have guidance from God.

So you say---which still does not answer the question---why then were any plates needed at all? And it doesn't matter at all that they were lost or stolen, does it? For you still have no plates, ---nothing at all was needed to prove the bible. It was written without any golden plates. They did not need any for the REAL GOD spoke to the REAL PROPHETS. The scriptures are stories that the prophets heard directly from God not stories written by any man about what their tribe was doing. That is what makes them scripture. The BOM, at best, are the diaries of men, not the words of God to men. God needs no plates from a unknown people that need a man looking at a stone in a hat translate them. He tells His prophets directly what He wants them to know in their own language., in the vernacular of the time. Not one single prophet throughout history has ever had to have to translate His word. Only Daniel with the handwriting on the wall. And he did not need a single thing to decipher the writing---no stone in a hat, no magic computer--God told him what it meant. That is a God.

Sorry, but your God has never been able to do much right. He can not create from nothing, he is unable to have his command to be fruitful and multiply followed unless they sinned first, he can not speak to his prophet without some golden plates written by men in an unknown language that needs the man to translate them, he was unable to keep his written word from being corrupted by man, he is unable to have children without a wife (or more) and then can not produce one single child that is of the same substance as he is for his children are "spiritual" and must become human to learn how to obey him, he does not save everyone to the same degree---only some can get eternal life in his presence and have something called "increase."......!!!! Ours is able to do all of the above--and He was never human, born from a human woman and man and had to be saved and learn how to become God. Ours always was God. And His one Son, of the same substance, became human in order to save His creation. Nobody on this planet needs y0ou God, we all need and want our God---the REAL GOD OF THE REAL SCRIPTURES!!

 

[mmksparbud]

Your right, the plates were not in the hat. But he did have golden plates that he had translated the Lehi manuscript from. Many saw the plates and many testify they saw the plates. Can't get around the testimonies of many who never denied their testimonies.

So what was he translating with His head in a hat?

 

[Peter1000]

All of those are before He went bac k to Heaven. Once thee, He has not come back and will not un t8il His return for us. The rest have been in visions.

Mat_24:26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

He is not going to say that, and turn around and go to some other country. And, as I said, where is the proof that He was anywhere in the Americas, for they continued to have human sacrifice until the Spaniards came. Jesus turned over the tables at the temple, how much more would He have turned over the stones used for human sacrifice in the Americas. No such thing happened. Our Jesus is not ineffectual. When He showed up---things changed. When your Jesus shows up, things stayed the same.

Did the Jews learn anything from Jesus turning over the tables. No, in fact they crucified him.
Did anyting change for the Jews? No, they thought he was a radical nut, they just turned the tables back over and started doing what they had done for 6 centuries.

So your analogy does not work. Jesus had to turn to the gentiles for expansion of his church. The Jews remained an obstacle for the church through the first 100 years and beyond. No change.

At least in the Americas, the golden age of the Mayan people took place. For 250 years after Christ visited the people in Central America, they were not divided into tribes, but were one tribe with Jesus as their center. Then satan continued to pursue his goals and by 450ad there was a total anihilation of the people of Nephi and the rest of the people fell into a downward spiral that existed when Cortez came 1,000 years later.

IOW his visit did make a difference for over 400 years. It still made a difference in the 1500's but by that time, the people of the area had vanquished the name of Jesus and had replaced him with numerous other gods. Gods they sacrificed to by the shedding of blood, perhaps because their one time true God had sacrificed his body and blood for the people.

In any event Montezuma thought Cortez was this returning white bearded God that had visited his people and promised to return.

 

[mmksparbud]

Add this up:

1) the Lord brought JS the golden plates. For a real hands on testiment of the reality of the people written about on the plates.
2) JS translates very slowly and methodically with the plates and the U&T.
3) after he did this, the Lord told him he could read from the stone and do the translation much faster, which he did.

So JS needed the plates for a reality check, and then finished the translation with the stone.

Not too difficult to get your head around that, unless you are anti JS.

Reality check??? The word of God is not reality enough??? God speaking directly to a prophet is all that the scriptures are! God has never needed any "Golden plates" that need translating. Why didn't God just do what He has done with ALL His prophets, just tell him what He wanted JS to know? And why not tell him through the hat in the first place? And your god can't even keep the golden plates safe and show them to everyone. God wrote His words on stone HIMSELF. He wrote the 10 on stone with His own finger and a whole tribe of over a million people saw them. Not just a few of Moses closest family and friends.
They were known by everyone involved to have existed and still do, they are hidden for now. Yours were stolen, or lost. They were buried to begi9n with, then brought out and then buried agsain and then lost? Sorry---just doesn't add up any way you look at it.

 

[mmksparbud]

Did the Jews learn anything from Jesus turning over the tables. No, in fact they crucified him.
Did anyting change for the Jews? No, they thought he was a radical nut, they just turned the tables back over and started doing what they had done for 6 centuries.

So your analogy does not work. Jesus had to turn to the gentiles for expansion of his church. The Jews remained an obstacle for the church through the first 100 years and beyond. No change.

At least in the Americas, the golden age of the Mayan people took place. For 250 years after Christ visited the people in Central America, they were not divided into tribes, but were one tribe with Jesus as their center. Then satan continued to pursue his goals and by 450ad there was a total anihilation of the people of Nephi and the rest of the people fell into a downward spiral that existed when Cortez came 1,000 years later.

IOW his visit did make a difference for almost 400 years.

Many of the Jews did in learn and were saved and not only that, but they changed the whole world!! Life never went back to noirmal for the Jew ast asll! Jesus was still with all the first Christians Who were all Jews!) and what they saw and heard from Jesus was carried to all parts of the world so you ststement not only doles not work---it is not true!! Jesus was with this people for 250 years???? Give me a break!! Jesus was on this earth for 3 1/2 years (actively preaching, not the first 30) and within the lifetime of the oldest , John, the words and actions of Jesus were everywhere and continue to be so. Your Jesus is on earth for 250 years and nobody outside of the LDS ever heard of it, the culture was not in any way changed, human sacrifice went on as normal until the Spaniards put a stop to it--all archeological evidence points to no changes until they came!! As always---your god is totally ineffectual! Our God has changed the world even though there are those that refuse to acknowledge Him. Yours made no change in the lives of one small area. Ours has always saved a remnant from evil, always kept His word protected. all over the world. Yours was unable to save anyone from just one tribe.

 

[He is the way]

So you say---which still does not answer the question---why then were any plates needed at all? And it doesn't matter at all that they were lost or stolen, does it? For you still have no plates, ---nothing at all was needed to prove the bible. It was written without any golden plates. They did not need any for the REAL GOD spoke to the REAL PROPHETS. The scriptures are stories that the prophets heard directly from God not stories written by any man about what their tribe was doing. That is what makes them scripture. The BOM, at best, are the diaries of men, not the words of God to men. God needs no plates from a unknown people that need a man looking at a stone in a hat translate them. He tells His prophets directly what He wants them to know in their own language., in the vernacular of the time. Not one single prophet throughout history has ever had to have to translate His word. Only Daniel with the handwriting on the wall. And he did not need a single thing to decipher the writing---no stone in a hat, no magic computer--God told him what it meant. That is a God.

Sorry, but your God has never been able to do much right. He can not create from nothing, he is unable to have his command to be fruitful and multiply followed unless they sinned first, he can not speak to his prophet without some golden plates written by men in an unknown language that needs the man to translate them, he was unable to keep his written word from being corrupted by man, he is unable to have children without a wife (or more) and then can not produce one single child that is of the same substance as he is for his children are "spiritual" and must become human to learn how to obey him, he does not save everyone to the same degree---only some can get eternal life in his presence and have something called "increase."......!!!! Ours is able to do all of the above--and He was never human, born from a human woman and man and had to be saved and learn how to become God. Ours always was God. And His one Son, of the same substance, became human in order to save His creation. Nobody on this planet needs y0ou God, we all need and want our God---the REAL GOD OF THE REAL SCRIPTURES!!

Did you read the last part of my post?:

"However, the plates were necessary as proof that a record was kept by those who lived here in the Americas and that Joseph Smith didn't just make it up. That is one of the reasons for the plates and of course the plates were handed down from generation to generation by the people who lived here so they would have guidance from God."

It was also important that the characters from the plates were shown to professor Anthon to fulfill the prophecy:

Anthon Transcript - Wikipedia

(Old Testament | Isaiah 29:11 - 14)

11 And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed:
12 And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned.
13 ¶ Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:
14 Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvellous work among this people, even a marvellous work and a wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid.

I said the manuscript of the Book of Lehi was lost or stolen, not the plates. Joseph Smith had the plates until the angel Moroni called for them after the Book of Mormon was completed.

 

[Peter1000]

Reality check??? The word of God is not reality enough??? God speaking directly to a prophet is all that the scriptures are! God has never needed any "Golden plates" that need translating. Why didn't God just do what He has done with ALL His prophets, just tell him what He wanted JS to know? And why not tell him through the hat in the first place? And your god can't even keep the golden plates safe and show them to everyone. God wrote His words on stone HIMSELF. He wrote the 10 on stone with His own finger and a whole tribe of over a million people saw them. Not just a few of Moses closest family and friends.
They were known by everyone involved to have existed and still do, they are hidden for now. Yours were stolen, or lost. They were buried to begi9n with, brought out and then buried agsain and then lost? Sorry---just doesn't add up any way you look at it.

You have your story wrong. The golden plates were never stolen, or lost. You make it sound confusing, but it is not confusing.

The prophets of the Americas wrote their words as the Holy Spirit spoke to them. Their words were abridged into a smaller record, and the last prophet buried this smaller record which were on gold plates.

When it was time to translate these plates, that same last prophet was instructed by the Lord to enlighten JS as to their reality, and get translating.

After the translation was complete and the witnesses saw what they saw, then JS gave the plates back to the angel (Moroni) that gave them to him and that was the end of the plates.

It is interesting because JS translated only about 1/3 of the plates and was told that the other 2/3 would be translated before the second coming of the Savior. So look for that translation to be coming soon.

 

[mmksparbud]

Did you read the last part of my post?:

"However, the plates were necessary as proof that a record was kept by those who lived here in the Americas and that Joseph Smith didn't just make it up. That is one of the reasons for the plates and of course the plates were handed down from generation to generation by the people who lived here so they would have guidance from God."

It was also important that the characters from the plates were shown to professor Anton to fulfill the prophecy:

(Old Testament | Isaiah 29:11 - 14)

11 And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed:
12 And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned.
13 ¶ Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:
14 Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvellous work among this people, even a marvellous work and a wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid.

I said the manuscript of the Book of Lehi was lost or stolen, not the plates. Joseph Smith had the plates until the angel Moroni called for them after the Book of Mormon was completed.

The bible required no such thing---faith is in God, not in the writer. Why did JS need to know any of this. If it had actually happened, there would still be people here, there would be archeological evidence---just like there is now for what the bible says. Bible needed no gold plates, for "authenticity." Archeology has proven it right, archeology has no evidence for Lehi's. The Native American did keep records. there are paintings on walls and blankets, and leather, not to mention pottery. There is some evidence that there were Jews that came in some of the ships that landed here. After all, it is said that Columbus was a Jew. Have no idea what you think Isa. is saying that in any way concerns JS or any of his writings. You have shown no reason to even have golden plates. But then for God to allow them to be taken from Him makes even less sense. However, that He Himself would take them away, makes even less sense. Everything is totally contrary to how God has shown He works---the real God, anyway. God never took His only handwritten declaration of His will. The Jews hid them, and Jesus has chosen to leave them where they are until the right time. What God wants the Golden plates for when they would certainly do more good here. Authenticity is needed now for all people---not authenticity so one man, or just a few, can believe. Again, just the 10 commandments on stone were shown to over a million people. But Gold Plates only to a handful? And those words not even the handwritten words of God but the diaries of some men.

 

[mmksparbud]

You have your story wrong. The golden plates were never stolen, or lost. You make it sound confusing, but it is not confusing.

The prophets of the Americas wrote their words as the Holy Spirit spoke to them. Their words were abridged into a smaller record, and the last prophet buried this smaller record which were on gold plates.

When it was time to translate these plates, that same last prophet was instructed by the Lord to enlighten JS as to their reality, and get translating.

After the translation was complete and the witnesses saw what they saw, then JS gave the plates back to the angel (Moroni) that gave them to him and that was the end of the plates.

It is interesting because JS translated only about 1/3 of the plates and was told that the other 2/3 would be translated before the second coming of the Savior. So look for that translation to be coming soon.

The real words from the real God were written by men and also translated by many men down through time. None of them needed to stick their head in a hat to translate. They learned the actual language and that language is still around today. I have no doubt that one day, one of you will come up with some sort of "the rest of the story." But science is always advancing and trying to outwit the general public would now entail some help from your angel of light whom everyone but the LDS know who it is.
Again---God showed His handwritten stone tablets to over a million people, but He can only show the handwritten diaries of some men to a handful of men? And, He then has to take them back---where?--to heaven? What good do they do there, those writings of men when God has not seen fit to have even the originals of the bible in heaven and again---faith is in God, not in writers.

 

[He is the way]

The bible required no such thing---faith is in God, not in the writer. Why did JS need to know any of this. If it had actually happened, there would still be people here, there would be archeological evidence---just like there is now for what the bible says. Bible needed no gold plates, for "authenticity." Archeology has proven it right, archeology has no evidence for Lehi's. The Native American did keep records. there are paintings on walls and blankets, and leather, not to mention pottery. There is some evidence that there were Jews that came in some of the ships that landed here. After all, it is said that Columbus was a Jew. Have no idea what you think Isa. is saying that in any way concerns JS or any of his writings. You have shown no reason to even have golden plates. But then for God to allow them to be taken from Him makes even less sense. However, that He Himself would take them away, makes even less sense. Everything is totally contrary to how God has shown He works---the real God, anyway. God never took His only handwritten declaration of His will. The Jews hid them, and Jesus has chosen to leave them where they are until the right time. What God wants the Golden plates for when they would certainly do more good here. Authenticity is needed now for all people---not authenticity so one man, or just a few, can believe. Again, just the 10 commandments on stone were shown to over a million people. But Gold Plates only to a handful? And those words not even the handwritten words of God but the diaries of some men.

There were people still here in the Americas and there is just as much archaeological evidence for the Book of Mormon as there is for the flood. People who don't like the Bible will say it is fiction and people who don't want any more of God's word will say that the Book of Mormon is fiction. I know that neither the Bible or the Book of Mormon is fiction. People have the word of the witnesses to the golden plates and they still won't believe. The witnesses had plenty of time and reason to deny what they had seen, but none of them ever denied what they had seen. However, there are still a lot of people who do not believe in Jesus Christ so it is no wonder there are a lot of people who will not believe in the Book of Mormon. The Book of Mormon is another testament of Jesus Christ and His gospel in these latter days.

 

[mmksparbud]

There were people still here in the Americas and there is just as much archaeological evidence for the Book of Mormon as there is for the flood. People who don't like the Bible will say it is fiction and people who don't want any more of God's word will say that the Book of Mormon is fiction. I know that neither the Bible or the Book of Mormon is fiction. People have the word of the witnesses to the golden plates and they still won't believe. The witnesses had plenty of time and reason to deny what they had seen, but none of them ever denied what they had seen. However, there are still a lot of people who do not believe in Jesus Christ so it is no wonder there are a lot of people who will not believe in the Book of Mormon. The Book of Mormon is another testament of Jesus Christ and His gospel in these latter days.

I know you believe JS---but it is the word of God that saves. It is His word that reveals who God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are. He has never let His word by destroyed or corrupted. He has maintained it throughout all of history. JS seems to have not ever read about all those that kept the word of God alive. He never read about the Waldenses and all those others. As in the days of Elijah---God always had a remnant. Through the toughest of times with the Israelites, God always had a remnant.

2Ki_19:4 It may be the LORD thy God will hear all the words of Rabshakeh, whom the king of Assyria his master hath sent to reproach the living God; and will reprove the words which the LORD thy God hath heard: wherefore lift up thy prayer for the remnant that are left.
2Ki_19:30 And the remnant that is escaped of the house of Judah shall yet again take root downward, and bear fruit upward.
2Ch_30:6 So the posts went with the letters from the king and his princes throughout all Israel and Judah, and according to the commandment of the king, saying, Ye children of Israel, turn again unto the LORD God of Abraham, Isaac, and Israel, and he will return to the remnant of you, that are escaped out of the hand of the kings of Assyria.
2Ch_34:9 And when they came to Hilkiah the high priest, they delivered the money that was brought into the house of God, which the Levites that kept the doors had gathered of the hand of Manasseh and Ephraim, and of all the remnant of Israel, and of all Judah and Benjamin; and they returned to Jerusalem.
2Ki_19:31 For out of Jerusalem shall go forth a remnant, and they that escape out of mount Zion: the zeal of the LORD of hosts shall do this.
Ezr_9:14 Should we again break thy commandments, and join in affinity with the people of these abominations? wouldest not thou be angry with us till thou hadst consumed us, so that there should be no remnant nor escaping?
Neh_1:3 And they said unto me, The remnant that are left of the captivity there in the province are in great affliction and reproach: the wall of Jerusalem also is broken down, and the gates thereof are burned with fire.
Isa_10:20 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the remnant of Israel, and such as are escaped of the house of Jacob, shall no more again stay upon him that smote them; but shall stay upon the LORD, the Holy One of Israel, in truth.
Isa_10:21 The remnant shall return, even the remnant of Jacob, unto the mighty God.
Isa_10:22 For though thy people Israel be as the sand of the sea, yet a remnant of them shall return: the consumption decreed shall overflow with righteousness.
Isa_11:16 And there shall be an highway for the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria; like as it was to Israel in the day that he came up out of the land of Egypt.
Rom_9:27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:
Rom_11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
Rev_11:13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
Rev_12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
1Ki_19:18 Yet I have left me seven thousand in Israel, all the knees which have not bowed unto Baal,
and every mouth which hath not kissed him.

God had no need of what JS has written. His word is intact. Our God is able.