Why is Suicide Wrong

[SkyWriting]

I know. It kind of blows though.

Breathing is a blessing.

I just heard a story about a vietnamese refuge that was stranded on KuKu beach.
She related the story of starving and being miserable in cold rain.
After telling the story she relates that in some ways she misses the beach and longs for those days of life and death struggle in unity with the people she was with.
Return to Kuku Island | Wisconsin Public Radio

 

[Par5]

You go to hell if you rejected the gospel not because you did suicide , murder or any other thing .

Hell as a place of eternal pain and torture appears to be a New Testament invention meant to keep the faithful in fear of death. The Old Testament says that the non-believer's punishment is death, not eternal pain and suffering.

 

[jayem]

As my avatar says, I'm a naturalist. I see things mechanistically. Barring circumstances like terminal diseases, or inescapably fatal disasters, most suicides result from mental illness. They are complications of the major affective disorders. Which are depression and the bipolar spectrum. It's just like kidney failure is a complication of diabetes. And just like Type 1 diabetes is a physical illness caused by a malfunction in insulin production, the affective disorders are physical illnesses likely caused by malfunctions of the neural pathways and neurotransmitters responsible for maintaining mood.There is no moral implication in simply having depession or bipolar disorder. The moral aspect arises in how one reacts to it. It would be morally deficient not to seek qualified medical help, not to comply with it, or to self-medicate with alcohol or drugs (which is unfortunately common.) And on the provider side, the moral deficiencies would be to miss the diagnosis, not treat it, not follow the patient properly, or not recognize the signs that a patient may be suicidal. And such warning signs are nearly always present, if the provider is diligent enough to watch for them.

 

[Brightmoon]

As my avatar says, I'm a naturalist. I see things mechanistically. Barring circumstances like terminal diseases, or inescapably fatal disasters, most suicides result from mental illness. They are complications of the major affective disorders. Which are depression and the bipolar spectrum. It's just like kidney failure is a complication of diabetes. And just like Type 1 diabetes is a physical illness caused by a malfunction in insulin production, the affective disorders are physical illnesses likely caused by malfunctions of the neural pathways and neurotransmitters responsible for maintaining mood.There is no moral implication in simply having depession or bipolar disorder. The moral aspect arises in how one reacts to it. It would be morally deficient not to seek qualified medical help, not to comply with it, or to self-medicate with alcohol or drugs (which is unfortunately common.) And on the provider side, the moral deficiencies would be to miss the diagnosis, not treat it, not follow the patient properly, or not recognize the signs that a patient may be suicidal. And such warning signs are nearly always present, if the provider is diligent enough to watch for them.

I agree but with the caveat that I won’t judge a person for committing suicide and I certainly won’t tell family members that the person is in hell. How sadisticly cruel to do that to someone grieving. I’m old enough to remember when if you attempted suicide and failed, they’d arrest you because it was illegal! I always thought that was stupid , you’re despairing enough to want to kill yourself and now you’ve got legal troubles on top of it . Thank God ( literally) they don’t do that anymore . I’m also old enough to remember when they used to sorta kinda encourage rape victims to kill themselves as if being violently abused made those women somehow defective . Mental illness and being bullied and victimized can cause suicide.

 

[AfterThought]

I recently watched a sermon
the preacher stated that was a myth the people who commit suicide don't go to hell
so I'm not sure where I stand when it comes to that
does it actually state in the Bible that people who commit suicide are destined for hell?

 

[2tim_215]

I recently watched a sermon
the preacher stated that was a myth the people who commit suicide don't go to hell
so I'm not sure where I stand when it comes to that
does it actually state in the Bible that people who commit suicide are destined for hell?

It dies state the murder is sin and suicide is murder. As as where people go, that's not up to me, it's up to God, like it or not.

 

[Desk trauma]

It dies state the murder is sin and suicide is murder. As as where people go, that's not up to me, it's up to God, like it or not.

What passage classes Suicide as murder?

 

[2tim_215]

What passage classes Suicide as murder?

Thou shalt not kill.

 

[Desk trauma]

Thou shalt not kill.

Yet warfare, genocide and executions are acceptable...

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Thou shalt not kill.

Not all killing is murder.

 

[2tim_215]

Not all killing is murder.

That's true. Murder is the problem and when you kill some one (even yourself) it's murder.
1 Corinthians 10:13 (KJV)
13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.
1 Corinthians 3:16-17 (KJV)
16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
Ecclesiastes 7:17 (KJV) Be not over much wicked, neither be thou foolish: why shouldest thou die before thy time?
Who has the right to determine our time? Do we?
Romans 14:7-8 (KJV)
7 For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.
8 For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.
1 Corinthians 6:19 (KJV) What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
https://www.gotquestions.org/suicide-Bible-Christian.html

 

[OldWiseGuy]

That's true. Murder is the problem and when you kill some one (even yourself) it's murder.
1 Corinthians 10:13 (KJV)
13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.
1 Corinthians 3:16-17 (KJV)
16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
Ecclesiastes 7:17 (KJV) Be not over much wicked, neither be thou foolish: why shouldest thou die before thy time?
Who has the right to determine our time? Do we?
Romans 14:7-8 (KJV)
7 For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.
8 For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.
1 Corinthians 6:19 (KJV) What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
https://www.gotquestions.org/suicide-Bible-Christian.html

These admonitions are for Christians. The unconverted don't share the same hope, or fear.

 

[2tim_215]

These admonitions are for Christians. The unconverted don't share the same hope, or fear.

This true. My hope is that even if someone is a non-christian, they recognize there must be a better way.

 

[Par5]

Thou shalt not kill.

"Thou shalt not kill" is one of the commandments supposedly given to Moses by the biblical god, yet kill is exactly what this same god told its followers to do to the Canaanites and the Amalekites. Kill every last one of them, even the women and children.
Perhaps you don't consider genocide as killing?

 

[Par5]

This true. My hope is that even if someone is a non-christian, they recognize there must be a better way.

A better way for what?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

"Thou shalt not kill" is one of the commandments supposedly given to Moses by the biblical god, yet kill is exactly what this same god told its followers to do to the Canaanites and the Amalekites. Kill every last one of them, even the women and children.
Perhaps you don't consider genocide as killing?

Who told who to kill anyone ? Who told who to murder anyone ?
Who knows the difference ?

 

[2tim_215]

A better way for what?

To die if that's what needs to happen other than killing yourself. Perhaps you're meant to die. They do have medical options other than suicide if pain is your problem. If it's due to depression than seek medical help.

 

[2tim_215]

Yet warfare, genocide and executions are acceptable...

Acceptable to who? To men.

 

[Desk trauma]

Acceptable to who? To men.

Your bible actually.

 

[Desk trauma]

They do have medical options other than suicide if pain is your problem.

When all one has to look forward to is a wasting painful death why should they be compelled to endure that if they don’t wish to?