Why is some Staff afraid of IIDB?

Petunia · Dec 22, 2006

the majority probably thinks it's sad, that a small group of christians goes over there to vent in a un-Christ like manner, falsely accuse members/staff of wrong doings, post things they received that was not theirs to divulge, talk like or worse than a sailor (sorry to offend sailors).

It is sad to see people claiming to be Christians behaving like that. It's even sadder when Christians think they're doing a service to God by going to a place like that. Again, the Lord told His disciples.. if the place doesn't accept the gospel.. wash your hands of it. He was speaking to His twelve.. but I think it's good advice for today too.

'A tree is known by the fruit it bears'. If the thing is bearing more rotten fruit than it does good fruit . . . .

rainygirl · Dec 22, 2006

I don't usually visit this area, but I was just wondering what does this topic have to do with discussing rules and policy?

allieisme · Dec 22, 2006

praying said:
You made the general statement that x happens whenever staff took/take action against posters on that thread, I am pointing out that is not the case. For myself and I know of others also.

Ok fine.. geez.. I take the generalized comment I made back.. and speak for me alone..

ChristianCenturion · Dec 22, 2006

rainygirl said:
I don't usually visit this area, but I was just wondering what does this topic have to do with discussing rules and policy?

Quoted For Truth

*checking out*

MarcylovestheQuakers · Dec 22, 2006

rainygirl said:
I don't usually visit this area, but I was just wondering what does this topic have to do with discussing rules and policy?

I agree. Based on the rules and guidelines I read, I don't understand this thread. I'm fairly new and still trying to understand all the rules here and then read this thread and am confused? And then I see so many staff participating, so is this ok? Seems like a contradiction and is very confusing.

MethodMan · Dec 22, 2006

CaDan said:
It seems to me to be a relatively adequate description. If a CF member who is also a poster in ~E~ gets into a dispute with CF Staff, it is common for that person's posting in ~E~ to be mentioned by CF Staff.

Further, at one point, CF Staff were banned by CF upper Staff from posting in ~E~.

Further, murron's resignation thread (and the "I agrees" posted in response to it) tend to show fear of "takeover" of CF by IIDB.

Further, concern about "leaks" of Sooper Seekrit Staff Stuff tend to be focused on whether or not it is discussed in ~E~. I do not see similar concern about it being discussed in other places on the web or in IMs or emails.

Further, the testimony of former CF Staff members who post in ~E~--especially those who have "been stepped down"--is that their managers tend to look upon their posting in ~E~ as a liability and something to be discouraged.

It seems to me that fear is as good an hypothesis as any to explain these reactions. If you have some other hypothesis, I am willing to hear it.

sickening comes to mind

Petunia · Dec 22, 2006

Addicted2~Jesus said:
I further believe that if CF allowed for an out let between users an staff, user an user, conflicts etc, there would be very lil need to run off to another web site to complain bout this one.

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I agree. It may be that hardhandedness in enforcing the 'no posting about staff action' rule, may be what 'opened the door' to this 'elsewhere'. Now there is probably a remedy by means of the 'public' appeals forum. Unfortunately.. it does nothing for people with only warnings. But warnings aren't the same as an infraction.. but can still be infuriating, simply by the fact that they remain for an excessive amount of time.

WalksWithChrist · Dec 22, 2006

I challenge any two folks here who *know* they have a beef with one another to just shake hands and walk away friends.

YOU CAN DO IT!

I don't care who.

Go!

Prove those wrong who say that peace can only be made at iidb.

Mary_Magdalene · Dec 22, 2006

oOooooOOOoo!!! you are right!

im just SOOO scared of IIDB!! its just soooo scawwwy!!
somebody heelllp me!

Seriously-i have come to this conclusion- if you are on staff on CF and are happy with the way CF is, you will be slammed on IIDB. Thus, i dont go there often. (even my CF user name was slammed over there-give me a break). But, i am honored that the iidbers would think so much about me that i would sometimes become a matter of discussion. very flattering..

although i must say, i was able to get a "head honcho" over there to change part of his CF profile by the comment i made in only one post i made over there. Goes to show that even the posters viewed as "powerful" are just like everyone else. We all have our insecurities I guess. It was an interesting experiment.....

Joykins · Dec 22, 2006

Petunia said:
I agree. It may be that hardhandedness in enforcing the 'no posting about staff action' rule, may be what 'opened the door' to this 'elsewhere'.

I agree.

Now there is probably a remedy by means of the 'public' appeals forum. Unfortunately.. it does nothing for people with only warnings. But warnings aren't the same as an infraction.. but can still be infuriating, simply by the fact that they remain for an excessive amount of time.

The public appeals forum is not an effective response to the problem because it's mission has been reduced to appealing specific infractions and bans in a procedural/investigative manner.

dignitized · Dec 22, 2006

easier said than done WWC when so much must be done in seekrit and when one person holds power over the other.

RigalCygnos · Dec 22, 2006

ChristianCenturion said:
I am staff and I see nothing even remotely credible for your speaking on my behalf. Presumption to do so only gives evidence to what you might cherish or don't cherish.

The list of what I fear is very short.
What would qualify for my fear... fear coupled with love and hope, and is therefore not a crippling dread, but rather filial reverence. A holy fear is preventive for carelessness in belief, and motivation to penitence. I fear (revere) the Lord, my God.

As you are well aware, since you moderate for that forum, that site is based on and promotes a Naturalistic or Atheist worldview. Its ideology is inherently in opposition to God, Jesus Christ, Christendom, etc. It isn't a matter of it posing a threat or even having respectable qualities; it is an issue of the principal membership having a recognizable focus and motivation. I make a point to know my surroundings and since this is the Internet, I take note of the site's existence and purpose.

Fear would not be the word I would choose to summarize that principal membership's mindset. In fact, fear would be far from the available descriptors since at times I have visited that site to engage the membership in dialogue. I visit as a stranger in a foreign, hostile and at times vile environment. An environment that many more adjectives might fit, but it would not solicit fear in me.

I'm glad I could clear up your confusion about me as a staff member.

Have a Merry Christmas.

A New Dawn said:
I am interested in why CaDan thinks staff "fears" IIDB.

I, personally, don't "fear" IIDB, I do, however, dislike it intensely.

Members there have trashed me since before I even became staff. I do think that the worst things that have ever been said about me in my life were said there. The two times I have gone over and tried to clear up some problems as much as staff can while obeying the confidentiality clause they agree to, I have been flamed, called a liar, and other nice little ditties.

I am not afraid of it, it is just not a nice place to be.

So much for IIDB apologetics. Consider the sources...

CaDan said:
It seems to me to be a relatively adequate description. If a CF member who is also a poster in ~E~ gets into a dispute with CF Staff, it is common for that person's posting in ~E~ to be mentioned by CF Staff.

Further, at one point, CF Staff were banned by CF upper Staff from posting in ~E~.

Further, murron's resignation thread (and the "I agrees" posted in response to it) tend to show fear of "takeover" of CF by IIDB.

Further, concern about "leaks" of Sooper Seekrit Staff Stuff tend to be focused on whether or not it is discussed in ~E~. I do not see similar concern about it being discussed in other places on the web or in IMs or emails.

Further, the testimony of former CF Staff members who post in ~E~--especially those who have "been stepped down"--is that their managers tend to look upon their posting in ~E~ as a liability and something to be discouraged.

It seems to me that fear is as good an hypothesis as any to explain these reactions. If you have some other hypothesis, I am willing to hear it.

Further, we are not in court, nor reading legal briefs. We are talking here, we are talking here!

D'Ann said:
One has to be a member in order to lurk on the IIDB/Elsewhere thread.

Once you have seen that whole board, which has some other threads, almost as nice, how could one fail to know the only agenda promoted?

CaDan said:
Unfortunately, that seems to be the case.

Yup. But you have not made the case that the CF open forums are the exclusive remedy or even one that is always efficacious.

They are accountable to the rules of that forum, not to the rules of CF. The judgment you make in your final sentence is not supported by your grounds and you have failed to provide a warrant for your claim.

Lovely ad hominems. Too bad they are merely insults and not arguments.

Your offense about vulgarity is duly noted.

As to your claim regarding false claims, false statements have been made. Often they are corrected.

As to your claim regarding secrecy, you know my oppinions on that well.

Implicit claim: CF Staff members who post there are not in their right mind. Logical deduction from that claim: nyj, herev, A New Dawn, stumpjumper, and many others are not in their right mind.

What was that about slander earlier?

Because it is policy there that all discussions of events at other message boards are routed to ~Elsehwere~. Sorry, CF is nothing special.

Move to admit Exhibit 1.

Move to exclude testimony as heresay, Your Honor.

Miss Shelby said:
I find freethought forum to be a friendler and nicer place than iidb as far as non christian boards go.

Naturally. Say no more.

Petunia said:
I agree. It may be that hardhandedness in enforcing the 'no posting about staff action' rule, may be what 'opened the door' to this 'elsewhere'. Now there is probably a remedy by means of the 'public' appeals forum. Unfortunately.. it does nothing for people with only warnings. But warnings aren't the same as an infraction.. but can still be infuriating, simply by the fact that they remain for an excessive amount of time.

That "it may be", dear Lady, I understand.

That it does have nothing to do with the eager-to-join-the-club kind of personality that finds such joyous welcome over there, as I have witnessed in a quite shocking way.

The attraction is not simple reaction to the rules of CF as implemented, but the type of personal and political philosophies which are encouraged by that club's insider members.

RigalCygnos · Dec 22, 2006

MarcylovestheQuakers said:
Why is everyone avoiding my question? This thread isn't discussing rules or policy - what's it purpose?

Opening windows to dark rooms and musty air.

D'Ann · Dec 22, 2006

sparklecat said:
We atheists aren't that bad

That is true. I know some athiests who are more caring and compassionate then Christians. I know some athiests that are better human beings than I could hope to be in some ways.

EdmundBlackadderTheThird · Dec 22, 2006

MarcylovestheQuakers said:
Why is everyone avoiding my question? This thread isn't discussing rules or policy - what's it purpose?

The very fact that certain staff have mentioned IIDB in reference to treatment of members here, and yes I have proof, means that it is a policy consideration. Regardless of how much the rules say that things outside of CF are not to be held against the members this thread shows that they are by some staff and that is a policy consideration as well.

MarcylovestheQuakers · Dec 22, 2006

RigalCygnos said:
Opening windows to dark rooms and musty air.

Sounds like you're clearly saying this thread has nothing to do with the forum topic at all right?

As a side note:
Strange to see so much bitterness on a Christian site so close to Christmas. This is the sadest thing I've witness during my time here at this forum. Ya' know there are people like me who watch the behavior of staff and to witness what I'm seeing in here, I think staff should reevalute themselve and someone should look at the rules, cause apparently I understand then better then the rest of staff does. Everyone just wants to be heard, and no one is considering the rules that I agreed to abide by when I joined here. Am I the only one who is suppose to?

What are some people trying to accomplish this thread, other than to demonstrate that the rule don't apply to them? That's what I'm hearing loud and clear. Sad Sad Sad.

Rochir · Dec 22, 2006

allieisme said:
Obviously I'm not on staff anymore.. but I was never afraid of IIDB.. At one point we as staff were told not to go over there..
Anyways... I think its pretty sad though that usually whenever a staff member has to make a action over here, it is blasted over at IIDB.. and its usually never good..

And it's a good thing we can blast away over at IIDB! Image we did that here on CF - we'd be banned ASAP! ... But maybe that's what staff would wish we would do so to get rid of those "loud few"

RigalCygnos · Dec 22, 2006

D'Ann said:
That is true. I know some athiests who are more caring and compassionate then Christians. I know some athiests that are better human beings than I could hope to be in some ways.

My experiences are quite the opposite, but then, because of them, I cannot begin to appreciate your evaluation, although I will fight to the death for your right to express it...without calling in a swarm of my posse to multiple post up in your face challenges to submit links to prove what you say.

RigalCygnos · Dec 22, 2006

Originally Posted by RigalCygnos

Opening windows to dark rooms and musty air.

MarcylovestheQuakers said:
Sounds like you're clearly saying this thread has nothing to do with the forum topic at all right?

As a side note:
Strange to see so much bitterness on a Christian site so close to Christmas. This is the sadest thing I've witness during my time here at this forum. Ya' know there are people like me who watch the behavior of staff and to witness what I'm seeing in here, I think staff should reevalute themselve and someone should look at the rules, cause apparently I understand then better then the rest of staff does. Everyone just wants to be heard, and no one is considering the rules that I agreed to abide by when I joined here. Am I the only one who is suppose to?

What are some people trying to accomplish this thread, other than to demonstrate that the rule don't apply to them? That's what I'm hearing loud and clear. Sad Sad Sad.

The OP was about Staff FEAR. Dark rooms and musty air often aid to fears.

Some like to consistently dwell on the negatives of CF Christians. This completely misinforms readers of all the CF boards filled with concerned, loving Christians who spend almost all their time praying and consoling all those who need comfort and solace.

Hope you go to Prayer Requests and the Recovery Boards in the near future. You may be amazed.

Auntie · Dec 22, 2006

This thread is giving me a stomach ache.....

Exit, stage right.....

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