Why is pornography wrong?

[Serving Zion]

I agree there are many false Christians out there. Some even pretend to understand the Bible and use their limited knowledge to promote their made up ideas! Thankfully I have not encountered anyone like that yet. You say you don't want to discuss acting but you can't merely right off the foundation of someone contention simply because you don't want to address it. Acting provides the context of the subject matter. The verses you provided say nothing of acting.

I am not going to grant any concession to immorality. I speak in the name of Jesus Christ, The Holy One of God, and I have personally obtained His approval for saying every word I have said in this thread.

I really don't think as Christians we are going to sit here and condemn action movies because they can be a bit violent.

Well, that could derail the thread. But, as far as the thread is concerned, it is really a matter of whether it is healthy (right/wrong) for Christians to enjoy depictions of violence and sex.

When Christians subject themselves to the passions of the flesh by consuming immorality, they grieve and quench The Holy Spirit, displacing Him with sin.

This is why such groups as ISIS resent Christians. Even peaceful activists, for example Ghandi, are right to say "I like your Christ but I don't like your Christians: Your Christians are so unlike your Christ".

As a practical matter,

ISIS and other religious fanatical groups use their religions to justify their desire to utterly control every aspect of human life they do not personally like. I don't want my fellow Christians to fall into this trap or the trap of making things up that aren't actually in the scripture!

Matthew 5:28 will never fit you comfortably until you repent.

Scripture also states that anyone breaking the law and teaching others to do so, will be called the least in The Kingdom of God. Why?

When Christians teach falsehoods in His name to promote depravity in society, of course a Jihadist will feel right to judge them as infidels. The most scary part is, that according to God's law, they could very well be right! (Matthew 5:20).

fidelity
/fɪˈdɛlɪti/
the degree of exactness with which something is copied or reproduced.

infidelity
/ɪnfɪˈdɛlɪti/
the action or state of being unfaithful to a spouse or other sexual partner.

We are called to be sanctified, as a bride fit for Christ (Revelation 21:2).

“Come out of her, my people, lest you take part in her sins, lest you share in her plagues;
Revelation 18:4

 

[Roseonathorn]

Have it Your way. God knows what is in the hearts.

 

[Torino]

Yeah, there are wicked traffickers in the world. What does this have to do with the topic?

And why do you hate "white western men"?

 

[Torino]

By the way, there was a lot less of what you're describing when women were rightly governed as the property of their fathers and husbands, as you see going on in the Bible, etc.

Nowadays people want to believe women and men are equal, so women naively go along with this, walk out alone, get kidnapped and wind up victims of what you're describing.

But I would bet many here, just like the majority in the western world in general would rather keep their head in the sand than recognize the connection between garbage secular ideas like "equality" and many of the ills of the West.

EDIT: I also think you're really angry and hurt over something related, and you should go to God about it. I saw that you answered another poster here with similar anger and reading things into our words that were not said. As far as I can tell, neither me or the others here are attacking you or the subjects of our posts.

 

[Serving Zion]

By the way, there was a lot less of what you're describing when women were rightly governed as the property of their fathers and husbands, as you see going on in the Bible, etc.

Nowadays people want to believe women and men are equal, so women naively go along with this, walk out alone, get kidnapped and wind up victims of what you're describing.

This could be a false cause fallacy though.

I am more inclined, personally, to draw attention to the fact that society has become much more immoral in general. Wasn't it about 1930's or so that even showing ankle was considered pornographic? These days, how many children even have such a privilege as a functional family? (Matthew 24:12).

.. So, more broadly in this topic, let's query exactly how much of this "Political Correctness" and "Human Rights" that modern Western culture totes, is properly deemed "right" and "wrong"?

@Roseonathorn , darling, please make sure that you endure to the end . Keep in mind, there is a lot of complaint going up to heaven about the state of the world, just as it did in Genesis 18:20-21. If you read on where I have quoted from Revelation 18, we see that any Christian promoting sexual immorality had better pause at Matthew 12:36 before they speak.

 

[Roseonathorn]

I do not like the fact that married women are set aside as a dirty used towel, and the porn is brought into the house instead of the marriage bed. When in fact sex should be kept in the marriage not in front of the computer. I believe the western white men are the ones that have the most computers. In the underdevelopet countries they might not always have them that much but it is rising. Western countries also are the most comfortable ones and usually the man oppresses the woman not the other way around. In church they sit in piety and at home they worship the created body of other women. That is wrong I think. But worse is that they think they pick and chose porn. The companies that provide softporn have undercategories of all sorts of deadly worse porn. (Here I will add this latter includes trafficking).

 

[Torino]

Serving Zion, no real disagreements from me there, although I was not assigning cause. I'm talking about correlation here. A woman who is always under the watchful care of her father, then by her husband is not quick to fall into trouble that a "strong independant modern woman who don't need no man" is apt to find.

Roseonathorn, again with the blaming the white man which is so popular these days. Did you know that it's Jews who own and produce most of the porn out there? What is stopping you from putting the blame on them, as opposed to your personal pet enemy? Why not place it rightly in the wicked heart of man instead? As far as oppression on women, a lot of what you're saying sounds like it's coming from all the social liberalism/cultural marxism mantras and degeneracy that is permeating society, and much of the world right now. How about looking for guidance in the Word for how things are and should be?

 

[Torino]

A married woman would certainly not be tossed aside like a dirty towel by a Godly man. The men are supposed to love their wives. Nonetheless, the wife is still supposed to be with her husband if he is pleased to have her there, and perhaps her humility will win him over to Christ.

In any case, I would hope the woman does not play a role, directly or indirectly, in her being treated that way before she starts assigning blame. It's not uncommon that wives are victims of the consequences of their own lack of submission, etc.

All of this is pretty tangential to the main topic though, imo.

 

[Roseonathorn]

I suspect deceit behind that claim. It is a suspicion though. If a satanist produce a pornmovie and if they still do, He would claim another identity and put the blaim on His enemy. What better way than calling Himself a jewish name and write jew as religion. At the same time giving jews a bad reputation. He would not write satanist because that is repelling and illegal in society and christian is too repelling for him so Jew is fine. Besides I am mostly all of the time stronger than my almost two metres tall husband so the talk about women have to have a protector well is relative.
Unfortunatedly I belong to the fairest of them all and was born platinablonde with fair skin and is married to a white man and live in a country where there is a lot of white people and people have arabophopia but our healthcare system would shut down if there were no arabs because all doctors in this county for the moment have arab names.
Yes of course the woman should want her husband, but some women feel discusted when their husband can not have sex with His wife without having to look at porn at the same time. It is quite usual that the man does not want His wife and the wife tries to win the man over to herself and try to get Him to bed but He is not interested in any normal sex anymore. The very few times they ever have sex He fantasies about all sorts of porn. The way to stop this porn addiction is to watch no porn for three months I have read and no masturbation, then the natural body comes back. I read a thread on how some guys had problems with it and fasted from porn so they could have real sex again. Pornwatching can evidently make You not able to turn on to Your wife anymore.

 

[Torino]

You are a very good example of why women need a head over them. You're on the one hand rightlfully decrying certain ills and talking about women as victims of it, then on the other hand when you are told some details about reality you choose to deny it (simultaneously denying the victimhood of women when convenient) and believing in a world of your imagination.

 

[Roseonathorn]

That the man should defend His wife, You might think You are safer with someone else, but really is it not better if You are the strong one. I think all women should learn how to defend themself and regularly keep up their weightlifting training. I think it is the wise thing to do, You do not start to look like a man, You get defined muscles if You eat enough protein. Cut sugar. Young men are weaker nowadays too. Maybe they watch too much porn. They should do hard work instead.

 

[Roseonathorn]

God bless You Torino, but I am already married to a head filled with hay. I do not need two. I am not perfect neither is my head.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Well its not just me there are millions of Christians that enjoy these forms of entertainment. What makes you say that acting is not Godly? Are there any Biblical restrictions on any forms of acting?

I think we can cut out the definition that pornography is 'just' acting. IT is more than that, which is the problem. C'mon, RP. You're definition is very reductionist and ignores other ethical nuances, spiritual implications, and spiritual repercussions of the porn industry and its products.

You also ignore the creators of PORN and that their ideas and lives should be scrutinized just as much as anyone else's if we are to have insight into the nature of porn. Are ANY of them that you know of actively Christian AND--at the same time--actively participating in or helping to produce PORN products? (And by Christian, I mean a person with a faith in Jesus Christ and a repentant heart before God). I'll doubt you'll find any in the porn industry, whether producers or so-called 'actors,' who are qualifiably both active Christians and active porn creators at the same time.

Actually, I don't think that most, if any, persons in the porn industry are Christian; hence, we can discern the source of inspiration by which we see non-Christians producing the glut of pornographic media and their shaping of the visual nature of its contents. It is purposely designed to be 'anti-Christian,' and I've even heard them say or imply as much. In fact, some of them are porn producers and/or actors because they are apostates from the Christian faith. Just look at Hugh Hefner or Bob Guccione as a beginning point; their lives and ideas alone give us plenty by which to discern the nature of modern pornography, let alone our additional consideration of the lives of all of the other producers, actors, managers, or corporate sell-outs who we could dredge up for study.

Hefner: 'I'm a pretty moral guy'

Priesthood, Helen Mirren and bankruptcy the untold story of the Penthouse's Bob Guccione

Truthfully,
2PhiloVoid

 

[megabuff]

I have often wondered why it never said it was a sin for Abraham to have sex with his servant and David and Solomon to have so many wives and girlfriends, to name but a few.

 

[PollyJetix]

Titus 3:8 This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men.
9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.
10 A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;
11 Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

I have often wondered why it never said it was a sin for Abraham to have sex with his servant and David and Solomon to have so many wives and girlfriends, to name but a few.

Ummm......the Bible actually does imply that these weren't good or godly social situations. You just have to be able to read the entire contexts(s) in which the Old Testament writers framed these situations.

 

[PollyJetix]

I have often wondered why it never said it was a sin for Abraham to have sex with his servant and David and Solomon to have so many wives and girlfriends, to name but a few.

God allowed some things (such as polygamy) in the Old Testament, even though it wasn't His perfect will.
And he expressly forbade the Kings of Israel to multiply wives to themselves, but they all disobeyed.
Deuteronomy 17:17
Jesus showed us that even though polygamy was not expressly forbidden in the Old Testament, yet multiple wives (even through divorce-and-remarriage) was not God will for humans, from the time of Creation. Matthew 19:3-6
And God used to close his eyes momentarily to certain things, but now commands a higher standard. Acts 17:30
Why? Because the Law could not offer a way to become perfect. Romans 8:3
Hebrews 9:9 Hebrews 10:1
But now, under the New Covenant, God offers a way to walk before him without such moral failings. Romans 8, 1 Peter 4:1-2

 

[Roseonathorn]

If God would have wanted Adam to have someone else but Eve He would have created someone else, but he did not. He thought Adam was just fine with Eve and Eve just fine with Adam.

 

[Uber Genius]

There is nothing wrong with it. Two people engaging in the most natural act possible. All you need is your God given body. God gave us our bodies for a reason and as the Bible states "we are made in his image". Therefore using our bodies made in his image is completely natural and sin free. There are no Biblical restrictions on filming and viewing these natural acts of love.

One hardly knows where to begin responding.

What is a "natural act?"

Since Adam and Eve were just eating fruit and that is a "natural act" then why do we have original sin? Did God get it wrong? Or maybe the Genesis account is wrong.

God: "Why did you eat of the tree I told you not to eat of?"

Adam: "Dude, it is a natural act ...and since I made in your image anything that is natural is cool."

You didn't just strain the gnat and swallow the camel, you abrogated the law with your natural act inference.

Is their no corruption of the imago dei recorded in scripture?

Do you think by putting a camera in front of fornication or adultery or child rape we magically ennoble it?

Your analogy to murder on Tv is a false one. On TV when the director say cut the murdered actor gets up to act another day. In porn the actors are still €£%#ed when the director say "cut."

They sex slaves have been actually raped for Robienfold's entertainment.

15Do not love the world or anything in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 16For all that is in theworld — the desires of the flesh, the desires of the eyes, and the pride of life — is not from theFather but from the world. 17The world is passing away along with its desires, but whoever does the will of God remains forever.

So do you reject John's message or are you claiming that it is a "natural act?"

Paul writes,"

"that each of you should learn to control his own body in a way that is holy and honorable, not in passionate lust like the heathen, who do not know God." 1 Thessalonians 4:4ff


Finally Paul has something to say about the natural man and his "natural acts," ;

"14 Those who are unspiritual[a] do not receive the gifts of God’s Spirit, for they are foolishness to them, and they are unable to understand them because they are spiritually discerned."

"Unspiritual" is interpreted "natural man" in other versions of 1 Cor 2:14.

Now by all means make the case:

That the imago dei means we can do what ever we want.

That the Bible supports the view that any human act is natural, especially sex. And specifically watching other people fornicate or commit adultery for entertainment value is a subject on which God and the Biblical authors are silent.

Perhaps you could justify the belief that no one lusts when watching porn.

These will be tough tasks to argue these points given the most remedial knowledge of the scriptures. But by all means justify your claims.

I haven't notices you rely on scriptural references yet but please include them in your response as this is a Christian Forum not Robienfold's Forum, and I'm curious to know what hermeneutical machinations you possess to produce this menagerie of views you've articulated.

 

[Uber Genius]

9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.

This verse may have just wiped out a good portion of the outreach forum at least the entirety of conversations with the "New Atheist," participants.