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Why is pornography wrong?

Discussion in 'Christian Philosophy & Ethics' started by Na Nach Oi!, Apr 11, 2017.

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  1. Torino

    Torino Junior Member

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    Haha, well patience is a virtue.

    I am up for exchanging emails, you're going to have to private message me first through this because I guess I don't have enough post "likes" to activate the "Start a Conversation" feature for me yet.
     
  2. redstang281

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    Serving Zion has been saying this too. But I don't know anywhere in the Bible that actually says this. I believe it's just church rhetoric coming from anti-sex theology. Ironically, in the old testament women were actually seen as objects that were bought and sold.

    I believe someone's physical qualities can be appreciated without considering that their only asset. For example we can watch the Olympics and see a fantastic athlete and admire them for that. It doesn't mean we are objectifying them or assuming that's their only quality.

    There's no where in the Bible that says masturbating is wrong either. I know catholic theology does, but that's not biblical.
     
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  3. 2PhiloVoid

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    In order to draw a comparison, you need to specifically name another entity by which we can compare.

    Yeah? Like what "many things"? Again, you're being vague.
     
  4. 2PhiloVoid

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    No, it's not really conceivable that men had to wait until the 20th century before MASS levels of commercial porn could be made so................they wouldn't have to take up their crosses daily any longer.
     
  5. Episaw

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    Thank you for your opinion which is all it is. I tend to file those in the round filing cabinet. You might not have noticed that my findings were based on RESEARCH, not my opinion. Wehn you are paid to research issues, you are not given the right to your opinion.
     
  6. Episaw

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    And maybe you are trying to justify your use of porn?
     
  7. Sammy-San

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    That doesn't make any sense.
    The Rape of Solomon's Song, Part 1

     
  8. Episaw

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    Yes, we would have to call him Saint Hugh of Pornography. I think he would love that.
     
  9. Sammy-San

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    Is it just me or is this thread becoming full of clownery?
     
  10. Episaw

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    A very good point, if I may say so.
     
  11. redstang281

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    I was not being vague. I was expecting you would look back on the post. I listed several examples, going to the beach, bike riding, playing golf. If the reason porn is bad is because it isn't helping to consecrate you towards God then those things are also bad and should be avoided since they don't either. My point is that I expect all Christians have hobbies that aren't helping you consecrate towards God, so saying that's a reason not to look at porn is not valid.
     
  12. Sammy-San

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    Those things aren't displeasing to God.
     
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  14. Sammy-San

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    What do you mean unnatural idolization?
     
  15. redstang281

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    I'm sorry to hear you don't like to consider what other people have to say who disagree with you. Hopefully you are always right then.

    People can research things and come to the wrong conclusion. Research is just collecting the data, how and why the data is what it is can be subject to interpretation.
     
  16. redstang281

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    I actually don't use porn, which I stated earlier in this thread. You might use it for all I know as from statistics I've read a high percentage of Christian men look at it even though they think it's wrong. I heard one of the guys from the Hillsong church was caught using porn. My interest in this subject is I don't want to judge people for things that are not sin. I also don't want to lay burdens on people that are not necessary.
     
  17. redstang281

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    Right, but I see no reason Biblically to say that looking at a picture of a naked lady assuming it was taken not under abusive circumstances is displeasing to God.

    I know it's hard to think of that because we've all been told our whole christian lives that's not the case. I get that. But if you can think outside the box and just think about what does the Bible actually say, not your Pastor, not your theology but what the Bible actually says..

    Aren't you the one supporting homosexuality in another thread we were conversing on? I think I was arguing that it displeased God and you were arguing it didn't. Seems kind of funny we are on the flip side now. I apologize if I'm mistaken, but pretty sure that was you.
     
  18. redstang281

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    I do too, and bad theology which is what I want to get to the bottom of.

    A holy and noble reason someone would look at a picture of a naked lady.. Wouldn't a neutral reason suffice? I mean do I need a holy and noble reason to eat captain crunch cereal? We should encourage our brothers to do things that are holy and noble as much as possible but shouldn't judge them for doing things that are neutral.

    I don't completely follow what you're getting at here, so not sure how to respond. I'm not a prophet, I am a Christian but still a fallible man. I'm speaking the words of the Bible to the best of my understanding. I'd be surprised if there's one Christian living today who is completely right in every view they have in the Bible. I'm open to correction from the Bible but not necessarily theology or church rhetoric unless it holds up to scriptural support heavily.

    Alright, well I don't mean to stereotype but just seemed to me you were hitting me with a lot of theology but not scriptural support so that was the conclusion I came to.

    Jesus wouldn't have had that because I believe he had the gift of celibacy. Some people have that. Possibly some of the disciples had it, I don't know. But I don't have a problem considering some of them could have had sexual fantasies. But even if they did that would be a moot point as they were men capable of sin so it wouldn't prove my case that sexual fantasies aren't sin.

    There's an assault on men. The feminist movement has created this by demonizing masculinity. They want women to look at men as dirty pigs so they convince women to be offended if a man checks them out.

    Have a look here :
    Why does the Church have such a negative view of male sexuality?

    The desires of the flesh is a phrase specifically referring to things that are sins contrary to God, they obviously come only from our sinful flesh and not the spirit of God. But not everything that comes from our flesh is sinful. The phrase is said the way it is as an indication of where these things originated from to contrast that they are not from God they are from us. It's not meaning that all things coming from the flesh are sinful. Normal sexual desire that is directed towards a woman that is not unlawful for us to have is not a sin. Eating food is not a sin unless it's gluttony, or food sacrificed to idols in the presence of a weaker brother, or when you are supposed to be fasting. You see there's conditions around food just like sex. Which I'm sure you agree on that our disagreement is what those exact restrictions are.
     
  19. Torino

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    Redstang281,

    thanks for sharing that page, it was a great read.

    I think it hit what is actually the underlying issue behind a lot of these topics. It's all an attempt by Satan to drive men out of the Church, and make the remainder all effeminate. Unfortunately it seems like exactly that has been going on a lot.

    I know of several men that were driven out of Christianity because of these doctrines of men, doctrines of demons, and one guy that I've been talking to that left Christianity years ago has since come to understand recently that much of the anti-human and anti-male idealogy that Christendom is soaked in is garbage that God never required or taught.

    It's pretty upsetting.

    Alright, off I go again.
     
  20. Edmond Smith

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    No, she's not being forced to do so. She's just sinning herself, by lusting after the man she sending the picture to. Just as in the law here. If you are driving the car that drove away from a bank robbery, yet you never went into the building, and in the process of the robbery someone was killed. You can also be charged with murder. No one is innocent from sin.

    Now to Matthew 5:28.

    Context, is very important.

    First Matthew 5 is the Sermon on the Mount. Christ is speaking to a crowd of people and he uses stories, true stories and parables to tell the crowd the Gospel that God wants him to spread. Because it was easy for them to understand.
    Plus, during the Sermon on the Mount Christ was showing that the law didn't go away, because He came to be. He enhanced them and backed them up.
    In verse 21, says this:
    21. You have heard that it was said by them of old time, You shall not kill; and whosever shall kill shall be In danger of judgment:
    22. But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council; but whosoever shall say, You fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

    Christ hits on the 6th commandment of Thou shalt not Kill. It's pretty plain and simple what He is saying. But it also shows us that not only does he see what we do.

    God sees the thought-life. He weighs our motives and judges the intent of the hearts: "Whoever hates his brother is a murderer" (1 John 3:15). Right after those, he explains that if we have brother has something against us, we are to step away from our prayers, ur with our brother and then go back and make our offering of prayer. He uses a gift as the example.
    He then tells us to agree with our adversaries, because if not, he could take us to court and we could be judged by the courts for a wrong doing.
    Basically we should ask for forgiveness if we bring harm to someone.

    Then you get to verse 27:
    You have heard that it was said by the of old time, You shall not commit adultery:
    28. But I say to you, That whosoever looks on a woman to lust after her has committed adultery with her already in his heart.

    Then he continues about what we should do to keep ourselves holy. He doesn't mean that we are to physically hurt ourselves. It's called a hyperbole...we use it all the time.

    So verse 28 isn't about one certain woman. It's any woman. Married or not married. We are not to look upon a married woman or even a single woman and lust over her.

    You also need to understand that there is the 10th commandment, Thou shalt not covet.

    Coveting covers a huge area. Adultery falls under it. that's wanting that person your lusting after even though you can't have her. Lust of the eyes, falls under it. Wanting what others have. But most importantly.

    God knows what's in the heart: "For God will bring every work into judgment, including every secret thing, whether good or evil" (Ecclesiastes 12:14). "But after your hardness and impenitent heart you treasure up to yourself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, who will render to every man according to his deeds" Romans 2:5,6

    Mans heart is sinful. Jeremiah 17:9 affirms the condition of man's heart: "The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?" Verse 10 then warns us that God not only knows the secret things of the heart but will reward us accordingly: "I, the Lord, search the heart, I try the reigns, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.

    There's more:
    Mark 7:20-23
    20 And he said, That which comes out of the man, that defiles the man.
    21. For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders.
    22. Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, and evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
    23. All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.

    So, we are sinful. If you have looked a woman with lust you have committed adultery in the eyes of God. Because God sees our thought life and He knows what's in the heart.
     
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