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You provided no such quotes and being against a specific law does not mean wanting open borders, no matter how much you wish to distort what was said. It was worth the try, but the argument failed yet again.
Politicians tend to say things while doing other things.
What are their words worth?
So there's that.
And it seems to me you fail to understand, so now what? :)
 
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Why is "MAGA" offensive?

Because now the slogan is associated with Trump and there are those that
loathe him.
Pretty silly I think ... I mean .... it's a hat ;o)
Why did you quote my post for your response?
 
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You provided no such quotes and being against a specific law does not mean wanting open borders, no matter how much you wish to distort what was said. It was worth the try, but the argument failed yet again.
The Law IS the border. Not enforcing the law is an open border. An intellectually honest person would concede that.
 
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The Law IS the border. Not enforcing the law is an open border. An intellectually honest person would concede that.
That's just a poor argument, wanting to change the law is not an open border. You'll need to come up with something more honest than claiming someone not supporting your way of thinking wants an open border.
 
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That's just a poor argument, wanting to change the law is not an open border. You'll need to come up with something more honest than claiming someone not supporting your way of thinking wants an open border.
They didn't say they want to change it, they said they don't want to enforce current immigration law and abolish the agency who's job it is to enforce ANY law that they might come up with in the future. Besides, they are unwilling to enforce current laws, that's an indication that they wouldn't be willing to enforce future laws either. They might not be "cool" if they enforce any future immigration law. It makes they uncomfortable to enforce the current law because they are people with a weak spine. To the left conservatives sound too much like their uncool parents.
 
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They didn't say they want to change it, they said they don't want to enforce current immigration law and abolish the agency who's job it is to enforce ANY law that they might come up with in the future. Besides, they are unwilling to enforce current laws, that's an indication that they wouldn't be willing to enforce future laws either. They might not be "cool" if they enforce any future immigration law. It makes they uncomfortable to enforce the current law because they are people with a weak spine. To the left conservatives sound too much like their uncool parents.
Now you're simply relying on distortions to push a false narrative that can't be seen from a direct quote.
 
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The Trump administration lost track of about 1500 children.
U.S. Loses Track of Another 1,500 Migrant Children, Investigators Find



You are absolutely right. Who knows if people's kids are really their kids. Maybe we should take all kids away from their parents. Do you have kids?

Here is an article

Fact-checking immigration spin on separating families and 1,500 'lost' children

This part here

"Wagner testified in April to a Senate subcommittee that, of the 7,635 children, 6,075 remained where they were placed, 52 had moved, 28 had run away and five were deported. That left 1,475 migrant children. Just because their parents or guardians did not return HHS's phone calls after 30 days does not mean the children are missing, he said.

"We are not in custody of the children at that point," Wagner said. "If you call a friend and they don't answer the phone, you don't assume that they've been kidnapped."

And here...

"It's not the first time the government lost track of children in these situations. According to Wagner, in the past fiscal year, covering the tail end of Obama's term and most of Trump's first year, 14 percent of HHS calls were not returned."
 
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They didn't say they want to change it, they said they don't want to enforce current immigration law
They said that they want to decriminalize it, which does not mean allowing people in unrestricted. It just means that illegal immigrants will not be charged with a criminal offense for their entry - they will still receive civil charges (as they did prior to 1929, and most until 2000) and still be deported. This has the added benefit of streamlining the deportation process (no need to go before a judge) and reducing costs (no need for prolonged incarceration while waiting for a judge).

and abolish the agency who's job it is to enforce ANY law that they might come up with in the future. Besides, they are unwilling to enforce current laws, that's an indication that they wouldn't be willing to enforce future laws either. They might not be "cool" if they enforce any future immigration law. It makes they uncomfortable to enforce the current law because they are people with a weak spine. To the left conservatives sound too much like their uncool parents.
As I've explained before (probably to you) the calls to abolish ICE are centered around the fact that ICE has two jobs, and one of them is being ignored/underfunded in favor of the other. So the idea is to replace ICE with two smaller agencies - one to do each job - so that both can be funded more equitably.
 
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Obviously I do believe that in this case.

Then your bias is understandable. You then believe that Trump is involved in some sort of conspiracy to harm children intentionally.

That actually helps me understand where you are coming from in some of these discussions
 
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Now you're simply relying on distortions to push a false narrative that can't be seen from a direct quote.
I would think that if you are interested in politics then you would understand that lawyerly politicians are good at communicating what they mean without leaving a trail of "direct quotes".

* Democrats have called for the abolition and or reforms of ICE, the enforcement agency.
* Democrats have largely supported sanctuaries for illegals.

These facts mean something in the mind of an alien who is contemplating crossing the border illegally in search of a sanctuary to reside. One does NOT need to be a lawyer politician to figure this out.
 
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And people from a Chicano band in Los Angeles are not forcibly crossing borders of other sovereign nations demanding that they are entitled to enter. You're taking a music group's T-shirt and arguing as if their shirt is a policy from an elected politician.

There still is no quote about open borders that has been posted, but I guess people will shift to simply arguing it's the voters now? That's what we call shifting the goalposts.

Well he doesn't specifically say "I am calling for open boarders." But he goes on a long rant about allowing anyone to come into this country to work. Sorry, if you are unwilling to say that is calling for open borders then I don't know what else to tell you.
 
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Then your bias is understandable. You then believe that Trump is involved in some sort of conspiracy to harm children intentionally.

That actually helps me understand where you are coming from in some of these discussions
My older brother and his wife are in the foster parent program. They have one mixed race child that they have now adopted from a crack addicted mother. He was born in jail. Another child they have was taken from the mother who was arrested while in a stolen car from out of state. Neither mother has been able to complete the requirements to get the children back. So they adopted one and are trying for the second. Its heartbreaking but a common occurrence for the roughly 500,000 children in foster care in America.

Finding illegal aliens with perhaps human traffickers out in the desert is treated the same way.
 
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I would think that if you are interested in politics then you would understand that lawyerly politicians are good at communicating what they mean without leaving a trail of "direct quotes".

* Democrats have called for the abolition and or reforms of ICE, the enforcement agency.
* Democrats have largely supported sanctuaries for illegals.

These facts mean something in the mind of an alien who is contemplating crossing the border illegally in search of a sanctuary to reside. One does NOT need to be a lawyer politician to figure this out.
Your bullet points amount to one thing: you do not have quotes to support your assertion that Democratic politicians want open borders. All you have is hand waving and a distortion of particular points that do not say anything about open borders. Reforming or abolishing ICE is not the same thing as open borders. Sanctuary cities are not open borders.


Well he doesn't specifically say "I am calling for open boarders." But he goes on a long rant about allowing anyone to come into this country to work. Sorry, if you are unwilling to say that is calling for open borders then I don't know what else to tell you.
He doesn't specifically say he wants open borders, nor does his rants say anything about open borders. What does he actually say in the rant? Since you brought it up, you should be able to articulate what statement he made that signifies open borders.
 
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"Open borders" is such a buzzword. It's only ever used to attack people who don't want Donny's unnecessary monument to racism in the desert.
Ringo
 
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Wow, REALLY?? Who would have thunked' it? Thanks for telling me.

Trump gets called all kinds of names but the word snowflake gets the ban even when you are not calling anyone in particular (here) "a frozen water decoration".
Yes. Really. You will be absolutely surprised at what people in the political threads will take offense to. I tried to start a private conversation with you but I believe your settings are preventing me from doing so. There is a lot I would like to say but cannot because of the audience.
 
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They also want to abolish the enforcement of the laws that previous agencies were tasked with enforcing. You lost this argument a while back when I provided quotes from Democrats that don't want to enforce immigration law as a solution to illegal immigration.
Oh, they are not calling for open borders. They just want the door to be unlocked, left unattended, and a sign to advertise that all are welcome.
 
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Your bullet points amount to one thing: you do not have quotes to support your assertion that Democratic politicians want open borders. All you have is hand waving and a distortion of particular points that do not say anything about open borders. Reforming or abolishing ICE is not the same thing as open borders. Sanctuary cities are not open borders.

He doesn't specifically say he wants open borders, nor does his rants say anything about open borders. What does he actually say in the rant? Since you brought it up, you should be able to articulate what statement he made that signifies open borders.
Okay, you're right. Dems are not calling for open borders. They just want to leave the door unlocked, unattended, and an advertisement that all are welcome. Thank you.
 
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Yes. Really. You will be absolutely surprised at what people in the political threads will take offense to. I tried to start a private conversation with you but I believe your settings are preventing me from doing so. There is a lot I would like to say but cannot because of the audience.

Glad you told me, I figured someone would say something if they wanted an open line, give me a few minutes and I will open it up for you :)
 
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