Why is "MAGA" offensive?

[Speedwell]

The main problem with this is that they actually believe people come into the country illegally by crossing the southern border (I won't even get into the implied bigotry of a wall in the south, but not in the north), not by taking a plane and overstaying their visas. Most undocumented immigrants are here on a visa, but ridiculous immigration policies don't allow them to continue working, which is one of the main reasons they become undocumented. There is nuance to this, which is yet another reason why a border wall is a dumb idea as it does not address the real issue regarding undocumented immigrants.

I think what's really going on is pretty clear. Look at the lurid stories floated by the Right about ravening hordes of Central American storm troopers flooding across our entirely unguarded borders. "Not racist" says the Right, but then Saturday Trump included in his attempt at compromise legislation a provision that would prohibit children from Central American countries for applying for asylum.
Under present law and treaty, any person from any country may apply for asylum whether he is in the country legally or not. Trump wants to change this by making it illegal for children from three specific Latin American countries from claiming asylum at all. One does not have to look past this to know what Trump's (and his base) real motives are.

 

[DaisyDay]

It also happened under Obama, but probably less often.

No, what happened under Obama was that children showed up at the border unaccompanied. Under Donald, it has been deliberate policy to separate families to discourage families from attempting to obtain asylum.

 

[Colter]

That's not synonymous with open borders. The Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency was created in 2003. The US did not have open borders prior to 2003, so even if someone is for abolition of the agency, that is not synonymous with open borders. And that's the facts, people saying Democratic politicians want open borders are spreading a lie and falsehood because they don't have evidence supporting that. This is the equivalent a parent saying it's okay for their child to have a late curfew and the other parent accusing that parent of being okay with the child smoking crack.

Before ICE we had the U.S. Border patrol to enforce immigration laws that

That's not synonymous with open borders. The Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency was created in 2003. The US did not have open borders prior to 2003, so even if someone is for abolition of the agency, that is not synonymous with open borders. And that's the facts, people saying Democratic politicians want open borders are spreading a lie and falsehood because they don't have evidence supporting that. This is the equivalent a parent saying it's okay for their child to have a late curfew and the other parent accusing that parent of being okay with the child smoking crack.

Before ICE we had the U.S. Border Patrol agency to enforce immigration laws that go back to the late 1700's. Establishing ICE didn't establish immigration law.

Reasonable people will understand that decriminalizing unlawful entry is an open border for this simple fact that it would no longer be unlawful to enter. It would be enter if you want.

 

[Speedwell]

Before ICE we had the U.S. Border patrol to enforce immigration laws that

Before ICE we had the U.S. Border Patrol agency to enforce immigration laws that go back to the late 1700's. Establishing ICE didn't establish immigration law.

And abolishing or reforming a degenerate Federal agency won't abolish immigration law, either.

Reasonable people will understand that decriminalizing unlawful entry is an open border for this simple fact that it would no longer be unlawful to enter. It would be enter if you want.

So now you should be able to tell us who it is that wishes to decriminalize entry.

 

[eleos1954]

I would think Republicans would reject the notion that we need to make America great again because Reagan had already done so.

Why is "MAGA" offensive?

Because now the slogan is associated with Trump and there are those that loathe him.
Pretty silly I think ... I mean .... it's a hat ;o)

 

[Colter]

No, what happened under Obama was that children showed up at the border unaccompanied. Under Donald, it has been deliberate policy to separate families to discourage families from attempting to obtain asylum.

No American citizen has the right to take their children to jail with them when arrested or incarcerated. If a family commits the crime of sneaking into America illegally then their children will be placed in an appropriate Juvenile detention center.

 

[Speedwell]

No American citizen has the right to take their children to jail with them when arrested or incarcerated. If a family commits the crime of sneaking into America illegally then their children will be placed in an appropriate Juvenile detention center.

Such a heinous crime!!!? It's a status offence, like a teenager out after curfew--especially as these people are turning themselves in immediately they cross the border.

 

[DaisyDay]

No American citizen has the right to take their children to jail with them when arrested or incarcerated.

Have you forgotten that all the Japanese-American citizen families that were incarcerated during WWII?

If a family commits the crime of sneaking into America illegally then their children will be placed in an appropriate Juvenile detention center.

Showing up at the border and requesting asylum is fully legal and protected under international law and American law.

 

[Colter]

Such a heinous crime!!!? It's a status offence, like a teenager out after curfew--especially as these people are turning themselves in immediately they cross the border.

Children in a jail with criminal adults is unwise, but not everyone is wise.

 

[DaisyDay]

Children in a jail with criminal adults is unwise, but not everyone is wise.

Immigration detention is not the county jail. There are family housing units available.

Family detention - Wikipedia

 

[Colter]

Have you forgotten that all the Japanese-American citizen families that were incarcerated during WWII?


Showing up at the border and requesting asylum is fully legal and protected under international law and American law.

Mixing children in with adult criminals is unwise, but not everyone is wise.

It is my opinion that Leftist are too nice and just a little naïve.

 

[Speedwell]

Showing up at the border and requesting asylum is fully legal and protected under international law and American law.

And that really bugs the Right. I don't think they care at all about ordinary Mexicans sneaking in to get a job. Something about asylum seekers from Central America really gets under their skin.

 

[DaisyDay]

Mixing children in with adult criminals is unwise, but not everyone is wise.

Mixing children with their parents is unwise? Requesting asylum is not a criminal act.

It is my opinion that Leftist are too nice and just a little naïve.

Donald separates families who show up - legally - at the border and request asylum. While their claims are being processed, they are detained, but they are NOT criminals and are not put in with criminal populations. Why not check out the facts of asylum claims?

 

[Colter]

And that really bugs the Right. I don't think they care at all about ordinary Mexicans sneaking in to get a job. Something about asylum seekers from Central America really gets under their skin.

When Reagan signed amnesty he was also naïve, he really believed that the border would then be sealed and immigration laws enforced, but the Left has actively worked to thwart the enforcement of our laws. His amnesty gave the "green light" for millions more to sneak in, overwhelm our systems and compassion-addicts who in turn are calling for yet another amnesty.

 

[Colter]

Mixing children with their parents is unwise? Requesting asylum is not a criminal act.

Donald separates families who show up - legally - at the border and request asylum. While their claims are being processed, they are detained, but they are NOT criminals and are not put in with criminal populations. Why not check out the facts of asylum claims?

Follow along.....mixing children in with their parents AND other criminals of all sorts in one facility is unwise. And with many children coming in with smugglers who are NOT their parents presents problem. Sometimes the answer is just "no, you cant do that".

No one in America can take their children into an adult prison system for the smallest of crimes. If mom has to serve weekends for a DUI, sorry, "no, you cant do that".

 

[SummerMadness]

Before ICE we had the U.S. Border patrol to enforce immigration laws that

Before ICE we had the U.S. Border Patrol agency to enforce immigration laws that go back to the late 1700's. Establishing ICE didn't establish immigration law.

Reasonable people will understand that decriminalizing unlawful entry is an open border for this simple fact that it would no longer be unlawful to enter. It would be enter if you want.

You've just disproven the argument you made earlier. You argued that politicians that wish to abolish ICE want open borders, yet concurrently saying that there were no open borders before ICE, so abolishing an agency you consider ineffective is not the same as calling for open borders. This further demonstrates that the claim that Democratic politicians want open borders is a lie that has been repeated too often, especially considering no one can find a politician calling for open borders.

 

[Hieronymus]

You've just disproven the argument you made earlier. You argued that politicians that wish to abolish ICE want open borders, yet concurrently saying that there were no open borders before ICE, so abolishing an agency you consider ineffective is not the same as calling for open borders. This further demonstrates that the claim that Democratic politicians want open borders is a lie that has been repeated too often, especially considering no one can find a politician calling for open borders.

It is however quite clear they don't want to close the borders.
And by close i mean open only for legal entrance and to apply for asylum legally.
They stopped verbally agreeing with closed / secured borders since Trump took office by the way.

Expect the truth behind their attitude towards this to come to light eventually.

 

[Colter]

You've just disproven the argument you made earlier. You argued that politicians that wish to abolish ICE want open borders, yet concurrently saying that there were no open borders before ICE, so abolishing an agency you consider ineffective is not the same as calling for open borders. This further demonstrates that the claim that Democratic politicians want open borders is a lie that has been repeated too often, especially considering no one can find a politician calling for open borders.

They also want to abolish the enforcement of the laws that previous agencies were tasked with enforcing. You lost this argument a while back when I provided quotes from Democrats that don't want to enforce immigration law as a solution to illegal immigration.

 

[SummerMadness]

They also want to abolish the enforcement of the laws that previous agencies were tasked with enforcing. You lost this argument a while back when I provided quotes from Democrats that don't want to enforce immigration law as a solution to illegal immigration.

You provided no such quotes and being against a specific law does not mean wanting open borders, no matter how much you wish to distort what was said. It was worth the try, but the argument failed yet again.

 

[Colter]

On Saturday, Sen. Elizabeth Warren took the challenge, calling for ICE to be replaced with “something that reflects our values.”

Her values are weakness in law enforcement, look the other way, permissiveness, enabling, virtue signaling. That's not leadership in a nation of Laws.

This is rich: “Well, I agree with it. I don’t think ICE today is working as intended,” Gillibrand said. “I believe that it has become a deportation force. And I think you should separate out the criminal justice from the immigration issues.” Breaking the laws of someone else's country by sneaking in illegally is a "criminal justice" issue.