Why is "MAGA" offensive?

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

Another thing that is for certain is that no US president has ever done that either. You really need to stop getting your news exclusively from FOX and Brietbart.

This link will say differently.

LMGTFY

 

[Kentonio]

This link will say differently.

LMGTFY

Being willing to talk about about issues with Christianity in the past is not 'going on a world tour to apologize on behalf of Christians for holding to their Christian values' and it's certainly not 'attacking Christians'. Perhaps you think the pope is also an enemy of Christianity, considering that he talks about past (and current) sins in the church quite regularly?

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

Being willing to talk about about issues with Christianity in the past is not 'going on a world tour to apologize on behalf of Christians for holding to their Christian values' and it's certainly not 'attacking Christians'. Perhaps you think the pope is also an enemy of Christianity, considering that he talks about past (and current) sins in the church quite regularly?

I think you may have forgotten that he made this apology for "Christianity in the past" after a Jordanian pilot was burned alive by ISIS. That's what I call a weak president.

Obama's anti-American crusade comments: Column

 

[sfs]

How was it offensive in 1980?

In context, it was an appeal to nationalism, with strong revanchist overtones. That kind of appeal has a disastrous history around the world. Reagan didn't appeal nearly as much to xenophobia as Trump has (although Reagan did his share of racist dog-whistling), but the theme is dangerous anyway.

From my understanding, the economy and world position was in a slum as a result of a failed Carter administration.

What is your understanding based on? Presidents have little effect on the economy, and Carter certainly wasn't to blame for the OPEC oil shock that was the main driver of economic problems. As for world position, what specifically do you mean?

Furthermore, if I recall, Regan was a fairly popular president from both the Left and the Right.

Reagan was not popular with the Left.

 

[Paulos23]

The problem with the MAGA hats is that it is a form of personal identification with Trumps ideas. Given that he has brought out the worse in a lot of people I know, from men being more sexiest to some being more racist, and all of them pointing to the President and the fact he got away with it. I find Korean and more I am very cautious around people that have that hat on, just like I am cautious around people that wear swastikas. I never know when they are going to start something.

Plus, I know enough history to be wary of a cult of personality.

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

In context, it was an appeal to nationalism, with strong revanchist overtones. That kind of appeal has a disastrous history around the world. Reagan didn't appeal nearly as much to xenophobia as Trump has (although Reagan did his share of racist dog-whistling), but the theme is dangerous anyway.

Interesting. I can understand why you would see it that way.

As for world position, what specifically do you mean?

Ever hear of the Iranian hostage crisis?

Reagan was not popular with the Left.

A picture speaks a thousand words.

So how do you explain the greatest landslide victory over an incumbent president? Apparently there weren't very many "Left". Not to different from this in 2016:

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

The problem with the MAGA hats is that it is a form of personal identification with Trumps ideas. Given that he has brought out the worse in a lot of people I know, from men being more sexiest to some being more racist, and all of them pointing to the President and the fact he got away with it. I find Korean and more I am very cautious around people that have that hat on, just like I am cautious around people that wear swastikas. I never know when they are going to start something.

Plus, I know enough history to be wary of a cult of personality.

Well, my response to you is the same one I provided in post #41. I will also ask you the same question I asked another individual. What if I told you that the slogan "Hope and Change" was offensive because it is symbolic of "Black Power" and "Black Supremacy"? What if I told you that the Obama campaign brought out the worse in a lot of people I know? That it was a symbol that promoted the black nationalism that would finally turn the tide putting blacks in power over whites? Would you find such a response reasonable? Do you think is would be appropriate for me to be so offended by such a person wearing an Obama campaign hat that I should attack them for it? Do you think I should have immediately labeled them as "Black Nationalists" and dump drinks on their heads while they were peacefully eating their meal at a restaurant? Or as a restaurant owner, should I have banned them from my establishment for wearing an Obama hat?

Instead, when someone wore an Obama hat, I just kept to myself or asked them why they supported Obama's policies. Was I wrong for doing that?

 

[Aryeh Jay]

1. Reagan tore down a wall. He didn't build one.
2. We dispute what makes America great. How about doing some things for citizenry like universal health care and preserving social security instead of giving tax cuts to the rich?
3. Because it's empty rhetoric.
   
4. Because you don't wear a trucker's cap with a suit no matter what the cap says.

Don't forget that President Reagan also granted amnesty to a few million people, a fact that “Modern Republicans” often overlook.

 

[sfs]

Ever hear of the Iranian hostage crisis?

Sure -- I remember it well. Ever hear of Iran-Contra, the failed intervention in Lebanon (including the Marine barracks bombing), and the invasion of Granada? None of those enhanced US standing in the world.

So how do you explain the greatest landslide victory over an incumbent president? Apparently there weren't very many "Left".

The Left is indeed small in the US. We are substantially more conservative than most western European countries.

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

Sure -- I remember it well. Ever hear of Iran-Contra, the failed intervention in Lebanon (including the Marine barracks bombing), and the invasion of Granada? None of those enhanced US standing in the world.

The Left is indeed small in the US. We are substantially more conservative than most western European countries.

I think that is a fair statement. I guess the specific reasons why the Carter administration was so unpopular is not the issue. Regardless of the issue, the election results showed that an overwhelming majority of Americans did not like it and felt that the country was in a worse position after the Carter Administration. Many people, in fact I think it is safe to say that most people believed that for whatever reason, America wasn't as "Great" as it used to be. Hence, "Let's Make America Great Again" from the Regan campaign. Similar to the Trump administration, for various reasons Americans believed that the U.S. was no longer considered "great" after the Obama administration. Hence "Make America Great Again". Trump was no more "racially motivated" than Ronald Regan in 1980. Neither is the American people more "racist" than it was in 1980. In fact, America is arguably far less racist today than it was almost 40 years ago.

 

[Kentonio]

[QUOTE="jason_delisle]Not to different from this in 2016:
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Pretty. You do know he lost the popular vote by over 3 million votes right?

 

[Nithavela]

He is going to have to make compromises and do all sorts of things he doesn't want to. Thats what happens when half the government wont support you and your country has entangled itself in so many affairs around the world for decades.


I wouldnt expect him to be spiritually mature yet as he is clarly new to the faith. He is a rich man who lives the high life and also has the weight of a country on his shoulders. His spiritual maturity is honestly about where i would expect it to be.


He has done a lot and laid the groundwork for an eventual overturning of roe v wade. This is a quick summary of his accomplishment:
President Trump’s Pro-Life Wins - Susan B. Anthony List

And again, ones former life doesn't matter, especially in politics. I dont care if he is perfect, i care that he is effective in fighting for whats right.


I read one of your earlier replies and see i got your stance on the hats confused with someone else. My bad.

Roe v Wade will never be overturned, the republicans need the single issue voters on point.

 

[USincognito]

Trump has never done anything to deserve being called racist. He has never supported any such thing and neither do the vast majority of his supporters. His opponents, however, support the mass murder of babies (most of which are black), sodomy, globalism, etc.



The racial issues are propagated by liberals, not Trump. Anti-white and Anti-Christian hate is what is acceptable today and widespread.



You are brainwashed. Trump has opened peoples eyes to the fact that they (Christians, whites and nationalists) are hated.



Ridiculous, baseless, emotion driven argument.

You are saying:

• very small minority of idiots who are rejected by the vast majority of the movement and who do not have any support from the president = the problem
• The vast hordes of anti-Christian globalists who are accepted by the left, pushed in every facet of media and entertainment, commit far more violence and spew far more hateful rhetoric on a larger scale = not the problem

Whats out of hand is the globalist, anti-Christian, anti-white racist, historical revisionists, socialists, degenerate propaganda and open acceptance. You have let the hordes of Satan dictate your morality to you so now any true resistance is perceived by you as hateful.



Racism, baby murdering, heretic enabling, sodomy, globalism, all manner of degeneracy, etc, is not only not a deal breaker for liberals but is what they fight for. Your priorities and worldview are seriously messed up.

Christianity, family, nationalism. He who stands for these is an ally.

Some friendly advice since you're new. You might want to tone the rhetoric down a notch or seven. You agreed to abide by the forum rules and your hyperbolic rhetoric is bordering on violating them, if it's not violating them outright.

 

[KCfromNC]

Sorry but, how does Trump stand for any of those things?

Well, the nationalism part should be obvious. At least certain types of it.

 

[Nithavela]

Well, the nationalism part should be obvious. At least certain types of it.

I can see the family part. Someone who married not once, not twice, but three times is obviously pro family.

 

[Hank77]

What if a Hispanic wore a MAGA hat? My wife and her family is Mexican and they support President Trump, especially his position on immigration. Are they considered "racists" too?

They are if they agree with him about stopping immigration from his '****hole' countries and more immigration from white northern European countries.
He wants to deport the DACA kids but his own wife was an illegal immigrant. Did he tell her to go home and reapply for status. He wants to stop family immigration but that's exactly how his wife's parents got here just a few years ago. But then they are white Europeans, not brown kids.

 

[KCfromNC]

I can see the family part. Someone who married not once, not twice, but three times is obviously pro family.

And to good, upstanding US citizens coming from good, upstanding American families. Oh wait, no, that's not right. I guess he's only against certain types of people coming into the country.

 

[Petros2015]

Simple question.
Why was this Okay, and this is offensive?
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Possible the two men had different ideas about what would make the country great.
I don't recall much about the Reagan era, I was pretty young.
I don't remember that slogan being used before during his election or after it, so I'm not sure how prevalent it was. MAGA is pretty prevalent.
The offensiveness of MAGA stems from the fact that Trump's vision of greatness excludes humility.
Whereas Christ's definition of greatness *is* humility and servitude.

Matthew 20:26 and many, many others. Basically Bible 101.

 

[Hank77]

That is just something someone new to the faith might say, especially if they are in politics and do not want to appear weak. You cannot claim to know what he has asked forgiveness for to God.

Oh, I guess that was just another of his lies when he said he never asked God to forgive him.

 

[whatbogsends]

Christianity, family, nationalism. He who stands for these is an ally.

I'll give you nationalism, but the nation he strives for is not one that represents the ideals of our Constitution.

Which family does Trump stand for? He's had several and cheated on all of his wives?

What part of Christianity talks about trying to amass as much wealth as possible, and brag about how rich you are? Which brand of Christianity doesn't include asking God for forgiveness?