Why is "MAGA" offensive?

Ana the Ist · Jan 24, 2019

Radagast said:
Well, that's effectively what the Flores decision of 1993/97 said: that if parents are detained, the children are not to be detained with them.

Fact check: Did the Obama administration separate families?

I'm not claiming that it happened as often under Obama....but the truth is, nobody knows.

The fact of the matter is children were separated under Obama, and they're separated from parents even now. The only difference is that if it's a small enough number....the liberals are comfortable with it.

Radagast · Jan 24, 2019

Ana the Ist said:
The fact of the matter is children were separated under Obama, and they're separated from parents even now.

Agreed. As a result of the Flores decision of 1993/97.

Ana the Ist · Jan 24, 2019

Radagast said:
Well, that's effectively what the Flores decision of 1993/97 said: that if parents are detained, the children are not to be detained with them.

You do realize we're talking about whether or not Trump created this policy, right?

The leftist media deliberately lied to the public on this....and at least one poster here is still late in figuring out he was lied to.

camille70 · Jan 24, 2019

Ana the Ist said:
There is no separation policy....that never existed....its a lie.

If you can find Trump creating a "separation policy" I'll mail you 100$ cash.

Cummings Issues Statement on IG Report on Trump Administration Child Separation Policy

How the Feds Failed to Track Thousands of Separated Children

Has a link to the internal draft:
Merkley releases document showing Trump admin weighed targeting migrant families, speeding up deportation of children

Video:
Internal report exposes extent of Trump child separation policy

camille70 · Jan 24, 2019

Radagast said:
I have absolutely no idea if that happens at the Mexico/US border, but it is a factor in sex trafficking of minors in Europe.

Legal residents have ID, birth certificates, and stuff like that.

Quite frequently, police take minors into protective custody because they are with an adult who is shown by ID checks not to be a relative. And there are an estimated 100,000 American children trafficked for sex each year.

There were reports that ice was destroying documents.

Colter · Jan 24, 2019

While its mainly the extreme Left that controls the (D) party there are still an incredible number of enablers of illegal invasion into America.

New Polling Reveals Percentage Of Democrats Who Support Open Borders. It Is Terrifying

"A staggering 53 percent of Democrats polled, however, believe that any immigrant that makes it to America’s borders should be allowed to stay.
But despite Democrats saying they are against open borders, the majority of their base says otherwise."

Colter · Jan 24, 2019

The Marxist origins of the Lefts attempt to break everything formerly considered cultural and moral norms.

Cultural hegemony - Wikipedia

Radagast · Jan 24, 2019

Ana the Ist said:
You do realize we're talking about whether or not Trump created this policy, right?

Some of your posts seem ambiguous to me.

For precision, I've been careful to include dates.

Radagast · Jan 24, 2019

camille70 said:
How the Feds Failed to Track Thousands of Separated Children

This related to the 1993/97 Flores decision, which said that children couldn't be detained with their parents. Not a Trump policy.

Radagast · Jan 24, 2019

camille70 said:
There were reports that ice was destroying documents.

That's a big claim. Do you have any actual evidence?

SummerMadness · Jan 24, 2019

jason_delisle said:
No they are not for open boarders. They still respect the rule of law of other countries and cross the borders legally. I don't think anyone from the "Doctors without Borders" are forcibly crossing the borders of other sovereign nations demanding that they are entitled to enter.

And people from a Chicano band in Los Angeles are not forcibly crossing borders of other sovereign nations demanding that they are entitled to enter. You're taking a music group's T-shirt and arguing as if their shirt is a policy from an elected politician.

There still is no quote about open borders that has been posted, but I guess people will shift to simply arguing it's the voters now? That's what we call shifting the goalposts.

SummerMadness · Jan 24, 2019

Radagast said:
That's a big claim. Do you have any actual evidence?

Maybe they have as much evidence as Democratic senators and congressional leaders calling for open borders.

Colter · Jan 24, 2019

SummerMadness said:
Where is the quote calling for open borders? This is a link to an article. Please provide the quotes.

We don't have a physical barrier around the country, enforcement if immigration law IS the border. Calling for decriminalization and the abolition of the immigration enforcement agency, is synonymous with calling for open borders.

Research what "open borders" means. Its not a big door that we open.

Colter · Jan 24, 2019

Spoiled children react badly when someone finally says "no, you cant do that"!

Shiloh Raven · Jan 24, 2019

Speedwell said:
Because the "America" that Trump is trying to make great again is bad. It took a bloody war and much civil strife to put that America down. We don't want it back.

It took a Civil Rights Movement 188 years after "the land of the free and the home of the brave" was supposedly founded upon freedom, liberty and justice for all to put that America down. But that wasn't quite enough for the country that brags about its freedom and liberties because a Voting Rights Act a year later (in 1965) and an American Indian Religious Freedom Act 14 years later (in 1978) was also needed to finally give minorities voting rights and Native Americans religious freedom. And that's not to mention what LGBT American citizens have had to go through to obtain civil rights and equality.

Shiloh Raven · Jan 24, 2019

Colter said:
New Polling Reveals Percentage Of Democrats Who Support Open Borders. It Is Terrifying

This article is from July 2, 2018. Do you have anything more recent that isn't several months old?

Speedwell · Jan 24, 2019

Shiloh Raven said:
This article is from July 2, 2018. Do you have anything more recent that isn't several months old?

Doesn't matter. The interesting part of that post was that the poster found it "terrifying."

CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN · Jan 24, 2019

jason_delisle said:
Simple question.

Why was this Okay, and this is offensive?
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I way to young to remember why Reagan used that as a line. But when Trump said this line .America was all ready financially good. And from what I get from Trumps logo. Is to allow racism, harassment, and bullying. Also he seems to be taking the right away from women and GLBT. Which also takes us back from progress

SummerMadness · Jan 24, 2019

Colter said:
We don't have a physical barrier around the country, enforcement if immigration law IS the border. Calling for decriminalization and the abolition of the immigration enforcement agency, is synonymous with calling for open borders.

Research what "open borders" means. Its not a big door that we open.

That's not synonymous with open borders. The Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency was created in 2003. The US did not have open borders prior to 2003, so even if someone is for abolition of the agency, that is not synonymous with open borders. And that's the facts, people saying Democratic politicians want open borders are spreading a lie and falsehood because they don't have evidence supporting that. This is the equivalent a parent saying it's okay for their child to have a late curfew and the other parent accusing that parent of being okay with the child smoking crack.

SummerMadness · Jan 24, 2019

Shiloh Raven said:
This article is from July 2, 2018. Do you have anything more recent that isn't several months old?

Speedwell said:
Doesn't matter. The interesting part of that post was that the poster found it "terrifying."

The main problem with this is that they actually believe people come into the country illegally by crossing the southern border (I won't even get into the implied bigotry of a wall in the south, but not in the north), not by taking a plane and overstaying their visas. Most undocumented immigrants are here on a visa, but ridiculous immigration policies don't allow them to continue working, which is one of the main reasons they become undocumented. There is nuance to this, which is yet another reason why a border wall is a dumb idea as it does not address the real issue regarding undocumented immigrants.

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