Why is it that when Christians can't handle ex-Christians, they say...?

[LittleLambofJesus]

Personally speaking I dont understand why some people think that God is less powerful because He gives all people the ability to either accept or reject Christ.

I appeal to the OP to return to Christ, thats what God wants the OP to do but He wont force this person to return to Christ.

How would you, or any other Christian here on CF, convince the OP to do that

 

[hope_is_last_to_die]

How would you, or any other Christian here on CF, convince the OP to do that

Only Christ himself convinced me to return to Him. When I look at many other Christians, including myself I want to run a million miles from Christianity but when I look at Christ I want to run to Him and stay with Him!!

 

[Bro_Sam]

Why is it that when Christians can't handle ex-Christians, they say they were never Christians?

Because we believe the Bible when it says that they were never Christians.

I used to pray every night.

So do Buddhists, Jews, Muslims, Mormons, and all sorts of non-Christians. So what?

I was very religious.

Yeah...and?

I once took up the cross and proclaimed Jesus as my savior. I was once born again.

Do tell? So, how, exactly, does one become "un-born again", particularly when the Bible tells us that the gifts and calling of God are without repentence? How, exactly, does one abdicate their new nature and resurrect the old? For that matter, why would someone who has received the new nature want to resurrect the old?

I was rigorously devout in my beliefs—yet many simple-minded Christians always tell me that I was never a Christian simply because I renounced my Christianity. Why is that?

Like I said, because the Bible says so and Christians believe the Bible.

Christians who reason that faith is permanent (meaning that it is impossible to fall away once someone becomes a born again Christian) and say that any born again Christian who turns his back on Christianity was never really a Christian are using a good example of the no true Scotsman fallacy.

Ah, yes! Yet another atheist who has no idea what the No True Scotsman fallacy is.

OK, just to educate you a little, the No True Scotsman fallacy is a fallacy because it relies on subjective opinions. In this case, we're talking about an objective and authoritative definition that one must meet.

Counter-examples to the idea that faith is permanent (that is, born again Christians who turn their back on Christianity) are written off with the no true Scotsman fallacy: they didn't really have true faith; they were never true Christians.

Can I be perfectly honest with you? I really don't care what your "counter-argument" is. The Bible says that it is impossible for a born again believer to lose his salvation and that if someone walks away from Christ, then that is evidence that he is not and was not born again in the first place.

Sorry, if you find that not to your liking, but it's God's Word, not mine. So if you have a problem with it, take it up with Him.

 

[FredVB]

I believe I may have done this at one point.

Stating you were never really a Christian, sounds a bit delusional to me. Faith is not permanent to me, nor will it ever be. However the truth is always permanent.

As some comments were directed toward Mad at God, the OP, I would point out that person is evidently long gone from this forum, all that person's posts were from around that time, evidently to leave this controversy and no desire to engage in Christian subjects. For adequate look at evidence concerning faith and permanence, see the discussion at
http://www.christianforums.com/t7508783/

 

[Jpark]

Why is it that when Christians can't handle ex-Christians, they say they were never Christians?

I used to pray every night. I was very religious. I once took up the cross and proclaimed Jesus as my savior. I was once born again. I was rigorously devout in my beliefs—yet many simple-minded Christians always tell me that I was never a Christian simply because I renounced my Christianity. Why is that? Can they not handle people who turn their back on Jesus?

Christians who reason that faith is permanent (meaning that it is impossible to fall away once someone becomes a born again Christian) and say that any born again Christian who turns his back on Christianity was never really a Christian are using a good example of the no true Scotsman fallacy.

Someone uses the no true Scotsman fallacy when they try to reinterpret evidence to prevent the refutation of their own position. Counter-examples are dismissed as irrelevant solely because they are counter-examples.

Counter-examples to the idea that faith is permanent (that is, born again Christians who turn their back on Christianity) are written off with the no true Scotsman fallacy: they didn't really have true faith; they were never true Christians.

When they say a person was never a true Christian, they probably mean the person never had genuine allegiance to Jesus, else the person wouldn't have left Him.

There's a difference between accepting Jesus as your Savior and accepting Him as Lord over your life.

However, there are some ex-Christians that knew Jesus personally and felt the presence of the Holy Spirit so it is improper to say that all ex-Christians were never genuine.

 

[followerofchristIN]

You are still a Christian, you'll find your way out of the dark eventually and come back to the glory of God.

 

[FredVB]

When they say a person was never a true Christian, they probably mean the person never had genuine allegiance to Jesus, else the person wouldn't have left Him.
There's a difference between accepting Jesus as your Savior and accepting Him as Lord over your life.
However, there are some ex-Christians that knew Jesus personally

That was pointed out well that any who left Jesus did not have genuine allegiance, or they would not do so, that allegiance is what many of us mean by being Christian. There is a difference, but those who do not have Jesus as their Lord would not really have them as a Savior, some will think they do, but Jesus says that those who say "Lord, Lord" of him without change to obedience to him he would dismiss, saying "I never knew you". They know of him, maybe a lot, but they do not know him, or they would know him as Lord in truth.

You are still a Christian, you'll find your way out of the dark eventually and come back to the glory of God.

That is true for a Christian, one with that allegiance, except that happening is truly due to the work of Yahweh God in our lives.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

You are still a Christian, you'll find your way out of the dark eventually and come back to the glory of God.

Are you talking about the OP?

 

[razeontherock]

That's the way I took it, and it may be a valid perspective. Have any of us not gone through dark periods? Let's lift that OP up to the Lord ... His Power working through our prayers can do infinitely more good than we could ever do rattling away on our keyboards anyway