Why is it Cool to vote for Obama?

[charlie_hunter]

Hmmm yeah, all that Education still didn't help out the Man's morals.. he still thinks its okay to Stab fetus in the back of the head. Obama was a freakin Editor of some Ivy League newspaper woopee...

what does he do besides hang around Radical friends and support radical extreme leftwing policies...

Far out, the con's are trying desprately to present themselve as not being one issue voters then they pull a comment like this?? get real. You and the other cons only care about abortion, gays and guns. you try and argue it, but then it allways comes back to this, like you've just demonstrated.

i wouldnt vote for McCain because he dosent give two shakes about anyone earning less then $80k a year and anyone who isnt white/american/christian. The Republicans sheer hate of the poor of the world makes them baby killers too. you've just bought the lie. Those voting to resist the far right/fascist movement in America are doing so because they care about someone other then themselves.

When McCain wins in November its going to confirm to the world that a lot of things they think/say about America were right, that's nothing to be proud of and i fear for the Americans who genuinely belive in whats right in the world.

 

[GQ Chris]

Far out, the con's are trying desprately to present themselve as not being one issue voters then they pull a comment like this?? get real. You and the other cons only care about abortion, gays and guns. you try and argue it, but then it allways comes back to this, like you've just demonstrated.

i wouldnt vote for McCain because he dosent give two shakes about anyone earning less then $80k a year and anyone who isnt white/american/christian. The Republicans sheer hate of the poor of the world makes them baby killers too. you've just bought the lie. Those voting to resist the far right/fascist movement in America are doing so because they care about someone other then themselves.

When McCain wins in November its going to confirm to the world that a lot of things they think/say about America were right, that's nothing to be proud of and i fear for the Americans who genuinely belive in whats right in the world.

Those are some of the issues but that isn't all American Conservatives care about.

By the way, it was Obama who made the reference that some of us folks just retreat to our guns and religion.

I actually respect Obama for his passion and convictions, I just don't think he's Presidential material, his policies are too Radical and this is confirmed by a lot of Democrats not supporting him either.

 

[GQ Chris]

Then there's another reason to NOT vote Obama, its his position on Sex Ed for Kindergarten which supposedly is to teach kids about Predators but when scrutinized it has absolutely NOTHING to do with that at all.

 

[charlie_hunter]

Those are some of the issues but that isn't all American Conservatives care about.

By the way, it was Obama who made the reference that some of us folks just retreat to our guns and religion.

I actually respect Obama for his passion and convictions, I just don't think he's Presidential material, his policies are too Radical and this is confirmed by a lot of Democrats not supporting him either.

nah, its just the issue(s) that the Republican supporters and members just keep comming back to time and time again in the face of more important issues, like you did. Obama said that some of you folk retreat to guns and religion (of the fundamentalist varity) because that's exactly what happens! well spoken Obama, another insightful yet obvious statement.

Obama by world standards is not far left at all, he's barely centre left. The whole sphere of american politics is shifted so far to the right that anyone caught not waving a flag and carrying a gun is labeled a communist. After Bush brought your country to near fascism, the left side of politics is needed to ballance out the wrongs the Republican government has committed. when McCain drops dead or stands aside, Palin will just continue down the path and make America a facist state. This is not acceptable and the world cant afford the only real superpower being run by a woman who thinks like Bush she has a little red telephone to God.

 

[Thomas1984]

It was due to the Republican congress's Balanced Budget Act. And that was a projected surplus, which hadn't actually been realized yet.

Then of course, the Republicans in Congress started acting like Democrats, and Bush began the "borrow and spend" agenda. Tax cuts are great, but you've got to cut spending rather than increase it.


Ohhh, no they won't. Barney Frank, a Democrat, is a big part of the economic mess we're in right now. Jim Johnson, Obama's chief economic advisor, was the former CEO of Fannie Mae and the corporate finance managing director for Lehman Brothers. I do NOT trust the Democrats with this at all.

Ahh, I see. Projected. Thanks, I didn't know that.

 

[justagirl08]

nah, its just the issue(s) that the Republican supporters and members just keep comming back to time and time again in the face of more important issues, like you did. Obama said that some of you folk retreat to guns and religion (of the fundamentalist varity) because that's exactly what happens! well spoken Obama, another insightful yet obvious statement.

Obama by world standards is not far left at all, he's barely centre left. The whole sphere of american politics is shifted so far to the right that anyone caught not waving a flag and carrying a gun is labeled a communist. After Bush brought your country to near fascism, the left side of politics is needed to ballance out the wrongs the Republican government has committed. when McCain drops dead or stands aside, Palin will just continue down the path and make America a facist state. This is not acceptable and the world cant afford the only real superpower being run by a woman who thinks like Bush she has a little red telephone to God.

Charlie,

Yet again you do not know what you are speaking of. I have grown very very tired of your anti-American propaganda that is pushed simply be an ignorance that is incomprehensible.

When you have some intelligent remarks to be made,I would rethink your blanant anti remarks.

I am happy to say that you are not allowed to vote in my country's election or you would have us go socialist and against the foundation of this great Country.

J

 

[charlie_hunter]

Charlie,

Yet again you do not know what you are speaking of. I have grown very very tired of your anti-American propaganda that is pushed simply be an ignorance that is incomprehensible.

When you have some intelligent remarks to be made,I would rethink your blanant anti remarks.

I am happy to say that you are not allowed to vote in my country's election or you would have us go socialist and against the foundation of this great Country.

J

I know opposition is the enemy of the far right, but were you actually going to obect to anything specfic or was that a generalising troll post?

 

[justagirl08]

It was due to the Republican congress's Balanced Budget Act. And that was a projected surplus, which hadn't actually been realized yet.

Then of course, the Republicans in Congress started acting like Democrats, and Bush began the "borrow and spend" agenda. Tax cuts are great, but you've got to cut spending rather than increase it.


Ohhh, no they won't. Barney Frank, a Democrat, is a big part of the economic mess we're in right now. Jim Johnson, Obama's chief economic advisor, was the former CEO of Fannie Mae and the corporate finance managing director for Lehman Brothers. I do NOT trust the Democrats with this at all.

Twisted,

One intersting aspect that I don't believe has been touched on is that Congress' actions from one term do not always show up until the next term.

For instance Reagan's Congressional actions did not show up until Bush's term and so forth.

Also, those who are not American's and as what has been shown do not know American polticial structure, do not understand that the President is not all powerful. Congress on the other hand does and have more control on different levels.

J

 

[justagirl08]

were you actually going to obect to anything specfic or was that a troll post?

Charlie,

A troll is someone who would make such a post with less intelliegence and then leave.

I, on the other hand, am making an educated observation and I have not nor will I leave due to ignorance.

J

 

[Thomas1984]

Actually Justagirl, I am well aware that the POTUS is not all powerful. Afterall, the USA is not run by a monarchy, or a dictatorship. Whilst I have no interest in arguing with you, you do sound quite pompous.

 

[charlie_hunter]

Charlie,

A troll is someone who would make such a post with less intelliegence and then leave.

I, on the other hand, am making an educated observation and I have not nor will I leave due to ignorance.

J

no that's was pure oppinion backed up with zero facts. the other members here like twistedsketch is actually bringing up points to the issue. you're just saying. 'I dont like what you're saying' without giving a reason as to why i'm wrong.

out of interest, how many people here have lived outside of America? and by lived i dont mean a weekend in mexico

 

[Markus6]

Also, those who are not American's and as what has been shown do not know American polticial structure, do not understand that the President is not all powerful. Congress on the other hand does and have more control on different levels.

J

Your "you have to be American to understand" trip is really kinda silly. It is, of course, true that on average Americans are going to understand American politics better than non-Americans. Unfortunately there are many Americans who don't know American political structure and are less interested in the issues and the election than I am (I've met many). There are also non-Americans who completely understand the American political system (I wouldn't claim to be one of them). Being American doesn't give you some special abilitiy to understand your politics, just a better chance of being interested in it.

 

[justagirl08]

Thomas,

Good for you. I don't believe I was speaking just about you.

However, many of those do not know that. They blame Bush for this and that. They don't seem to have the knowledge that Congress could have said "No" and did not.

J

 

[charlie_hunter]

Your "you have to be American to understand" trip is really kinda silly. It is, of course, true that on average Americans are going to understand American politics better than non-Americans. Unfortunately there are many Americans who don't know American political structure and are less interested in the issues and the election than I am (I've met many). There are also non-Americans who completely understand the American political system (I wouldn't claim to be one of them). Being American doesn't give you some special abilitiy to understand your politics, just a better chance of being interested in it.

Good point, but i'd go as far to say that one's birthplace has got nothing to do with their grip on their birthplaces politics. Sure, you're probably going to pick up more stuff living in an enviroment with a larger media saturation on the issue, but its not an automatic 'you're not from here = you dont know anying' situation.

heck, i know an English guy who knows more about Australian politics then myself and nearly anyone else i know!

 

[justagirl08]

Your "you have to be American to understand" trip is really kinda silly. It is, of course, true that on average Americans are going to understand American politics better than non-Americans. Unfortunately there are many Americans who don't know American political structure and are less interested in the issues and the election than I am (I've met many). There are also non-Americans who completely understand the American political system (I wouldn't claim to be one of them). Being American doesn't give you some special abilitiy to understand your politics, just a better chance of being interested in it.

Mark,

Pehaps. However, in the scheme of things your opininon on this doesn't matter. You don't get to vote, thank goodness, and your soap boxes are reall not important. I am not speaking to you specifically in this.

The socialist attitude that has come into my country from the ex-pats is, as you say, silly.

As for being an American, I disagree with your better chance point. It effects us vastly more then it will ever effect you. Those who do not take the time to understand their country are in m view on the same plane as ex-pats making soap box moments about US politics.

J

 

[charlie_hunter]

Mark,

Pehaps. However, in the scheme of things your opininon on this doesn't matter. You don't get to vote, thank goodness, and your soap boxes are reall not important. I am not speaking to you specifically in this.

The socialist attitude that has come into my country from the ex-pats is, as you say, silly.

As for being an American, I disagree with your better chance point. It effects us vastly more then it will ever effect you. Those who do not take the time to understand their country are in m view on the same plane as ex-pats making soap box moments about US politics.

J

You're not American = your oppinon does not matter.

yep, that sums up the attitude. the fascist attitude that your nationaliy determins if you have the right to hold an oppinion or not.

many Americans i've met have got some pretty strong oppinions on Palistine and Israel (also Iraq, Iran, Africa, China, N Korea, Russia, France the list goes on) for that matter. they seem to think those oppinions matter.

 

[Markus6]

Mark,

Pehaps. However, in the scheme of things your opininon on this doesn't matter. You don't get to vote, thank goodness, and your soap boxes are reall not important. I am not speaking to you specifically in this.

NO TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION

I realise I can't vote but fortunately some American's appreciate the opinions of those with different perspectives as they realise the views of outsiders can sometimes shed light on issues you can't perceive from entrenched within the system. They also appreciate that the elections will greatly effect the rest of the world and are sensitive to our concerns.

The socialist attitude that has come into my country from the ex-pats is, as you say, silly.

Well I'm not sure I said that. I have to say the aversion of some American's to anything that isn't extreme capitalism is quite odd and probably a result of cold war propaganda.

As for being an American, I disagree with your better chance point. It effects us vastly more then it will ever effect you. Those who do not take the time to understand their country are in m view on the same plane as ex-pats making soap box moments about US politics.

J

Well there's plenty of them. The majority who vote in the election will not be anywhere near as informed as you are. Many will allow race and sex to affect their votes and personality and charisma will be a huge factor.

 

[Thomas1984]

Thomas,

Good for you. I don't believe I was speaking just about you.

However, many of those do not know that. They blame Bush for this and that. They don't seem to have the knowledge that Congress could have said "No" and did not.

J

No, but your generalisation did include me, seeing as I'm not American.

 

[charlie_hunter]

i'm going to ask the Americans the question again.

how many have lived (as in spent more than a month) outside of America?

 

[justagirl08]

Charlie,

Again your point is not correct. If my tax money goes to it and I have the right to influence via letters to my representatives and voting on it, then yes my opininon matters. It matters much more than yours on where my tax money goes.

When you become an American, then by all means stand on your soap box in the middle of DC and spout all the socialist ideaology you want. Until then, I and many other American citizens don't care.

J