Why is it Cool to vote for Obama?

[charlie_hunter]

Let me guess, you're a GNN person. If it ain't Communist, it ain't fair and balanced!

pretty typical Republican response.

You're either one of us or you're a terrorist/communist! there's just no concept of holding a ballanced view.

 

[charlie_hunter]

How much more Left do you want Obama to be? LOL

the guy votes far left in almost everything, he has no Allegiance whatsoever to America, his wife has said she only recently started being proud of America because Barry was nominated, Hillary and other people have lawsuits going against Barry because he isn't technically a U.S. Citizen, he doesn't think America is a great country at all, and he has slipped up about his "Muslim faith" on numerous occasions.. I would at least think that Hillary would be a better President than Obama because at least I know where her allegiance is, but with Barry you get no such thing, he is a Radical through and through, so are his friends, and his former Spiritual Mentor may as well have been Yusef Bey, the now deceased leader of the Your Black Muslim Bakery fame Black Supremacists.

So we're holding religious infulence over current political leaders? lets check out Palins, taken from The Huffington Post.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/02/palins-church-may-have-sh_n_123205.html

"A review of recorded sermons by Ed Kalnins, the senior pastor of Wasilla Assembly of God since 1999, offers a provocative and, for some, eyebrow-raising sketch of Palin's longtime spiritual home.

The church runs a number of ministries providing help to poor neighborhoods, care for children in need, and general community services. But Pastor Kalnins has also preached that critics of President Bush will be banished to hell; questioned whether people who voted for Sen. John Kerry in 2004 would be accepted to heaven; charged that the 9/11 terrorist attacks and war in Iraq were part of a war "contending for your faith;" and said that Jesus "operated from that position of war mode."

During the 2004 election season, he praised President Bush's performance during a debate with Sen. John Kerry, then offered a not-so-subtle message about his personal candidate preferences. "I'm not going tell you who to vote for, but if you vote for this particular person, I question your salvation. I'm sorry." Kalnins added: "If every Christian will vote righteously, it would be a landslide every time."
Months after hinting at possible damnation for Kerry supporters, Kalnins bristled at the treatment President Bush was receiving over the federal government's handling of Hurricane Katrina. "I hate criticisms towards the President," he said, "because it's like criticisms towards the pastor -- it's almost like, it's not going to get you anywhere, you know, except for hell. That's what it'll get you."
Much of his support for the current administration has come in the realm of foreign affairs. Kalnins has preached that the 9/11 attacks and the invasion of Iraq were part of a "world war" over the Christian faith, one in which Jesus Christ had called upon believers to be willing to sacrifice their lives.


As for his former congregant and current vice presidential candidate, Kalnins has asserted that Palin's election as governor was the result of a "prophetic call" by another pastor at the church who prayed for her victory. "[He made] a prophetic declaration and then unfolds the kingdom of God, you know.""




Beliving that not voting for the Republicans means you're going to hell is a lot more extreme than Obama's church background. Palins spitutual mentor believes that if you question the far right's reign then you are going to hell. A spiritual leader that believes that political opposition is sent by the devil. Thats fascism, what he's really advocating for is NO opposition. Democracy needs opposition to survive, Palin's teacher has taught her that oppostion, needed for democary is from satan, therefore democracy is from satan.

Sig Heil Palin! Sig Heil!

 

[RosaVernal]

I applaud the former post, except to say that we're not even remotely close to a democracy.

 

[Sketcher]

pretty typical Republican response.

You're either one of us or you're a terrorist/communist! there's just no concept of holding a ballanced view.

No, you could be a centrist, a socialist, a theocrat, a libertarian, or just someone who doesn't care.

 

[GoodNewsJournalist]

pretty typical Republican response.

You're either one of us or you're a terrorist/communist! there's just no concept of holding a ballanced view.

Yeah, brainwashed by Faux News to live as a robot who has no sense of identity, but will adhere to the mob mentality at all costs!

 

[GoodNewsJournalist]

No, you could be a centrist, a socialist, a theocrat, a libertarian, or just someone who doesn't care.

Well, if I said that I was a Libertarian, and that I don't like one or more political parties using news networks to promote their own drivel, what would you say to that.

I don't like CNN because the Democrats use it to promote drivel.
I don't like Faux News because the Republicans use it to promote drivel. There is no real opinion anymore, other than the media creates a mob mentality, you can either be one or the other. It turns people in robots without the ability to think independantly on their own.

If you like it, then you are twisted.

 

[Sketcher]

Well, if I said that I was a Libertarian, and that I don't like one or more political parties using news networks to promote their own drivel, what would you say to that.

I would say that other sources of news are also subject to as much or more bias. You need to go to primary sources of information, which Fox's website provides on some hot-button issues. They'll link you to transcripts and documents.

 

[Markus6]

I would say that other sources of news are also subject to as much or more bias. You need to go to primary sources of information, which Fox's website provides on some hot-button issues. They'll link you to transcripts and documents.

Or the BBC

 

[GoodNewsJournalist]

I would say that other sources of news are also subject to as much or more bias. You need to go to primary sources of information, which Fox's website provides on some hot-button issues. They'll link you to transcripts and documents.

So does many independent news websites. In fact, I go the websites that always link to the official documents.

 

[charlie_hunter]

Or the BBC

BBC FTW

best news source in the world. very unbias too, unlike the british newspapers! (but at least with them, they dont try and push the illusion of bias onto the reader, they are openly bias)

 

[RosaVernal]

Every media source is biased.

It's called the "We need to make money" bias.

 

[charlie_hunter]

Every media source is biased.

It's called the "We need to make money" bias.

BBC dosent need to make money, its run off taxpayers money.

 

[Sketcher]

BBC dosent need to make money, its run off taxpayers money.

That doesn't get rid of bias. In fact, I would charge that the BBC has a liberal agenda bias.

 

[Markus6]

That doesn't get rid of bias. In fact, I would charge that the BBC has a liberal agenda bias.

I don't think the bias is quite comparable to any of the networks in the US. Whilst it may creep in I still feel the BBC at least attempts to be neutral and objective.

 

[Sketcher]

I don't think the bias is quite comparable to any of the networks in the US. Whilst it may creep in I still feel the BBC at least attempts to be neutral and objective.

Most news organizations claim to be, but as Bernard Goldberg documented in "Bias," most newsies are liberal elites who are too liberal and too arrogant to see their own bias. I don't see why this would be different across the pond, and I've seen bias in BBC reporting.

 

[RosaVernal]

And yet, most news seems to show a conservative bias.

If 9/11 had happened with a Democrat in office, the media would have gone into VICIOUS ATTACK MODE.

 

[Markus6]

Most news organizations claim to be, but as Bernard Goldberg documented in "Bias," most newsies are liberal elites who are too liberal and too arrogant to see their own bias. I don't see why this would be different across the pond, and I've seen bias in BBC reporting.

Do you know of one that is better?

 

[Sketcher]

Do you know of one that is better?

Fox. They try to get both left and right in there (at least mainstream left and mainstream right).

And yet, most news seems to show a conservative bias.

If 9/11 had happened with a Democrat in office, the media would have gone into VICIOUS ATTACK MODE.

Actually, the media machine would be doing its best to [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] al-Gore and whatever he would have done. I'm glad we didn't get that. What happened after Afghanistan is another argument entirely.

 

[Tamara224]

The American economy, finance and housing market has gone completely into the toilet on Dubya's watch, massive job losses (24,000 possible bank jobs in the UK todays paper reads) and a recession on its way. Bush failed to regulate the industry and now its imploding on itself and look at his defence policy!!! Iraq, what a great plan that was!!

American Politics 101

In America we have three branches of government. The Executive Branch (the President), the Legislative Branch (Congress) and the Judicial Branch (the Courts).

The Legislature is the branch of our government that makes the laws.

Now that you know the basic set-up of American government, maybe you can rethink what you want to blame on George W. Bush.

And please keep in mind while you do that... Congress has been a Democratic majority for a while now.

It is NOT the job of the President of the United States to "regulate the industry". In fact... Constitutionally speaking... that's not the government's job at all. Not any branch of the government. Although Congress has been doing it for years and years now and has little by little amassed more power and control than the Fed gov't ever should have had while whittling away at the free market, state's rights and individual's rights.

What we've seen in the last few weeks with Fannie Mae is blatantly unconstitutional - the Federal Government was NOT granted the right or the power in the Constitution to do what it did. And I for one, as a taxpayer and citizen of this country, am OUTRAGED that our government sees fit to try to "regulate" industry by bailing out failing companies with MY money.

And I lay the blame for that equally on Congress and the President, Democrats and Republicans.

 

[charlie_hunter]

American Politics 101

In America we have three branches of government. The Executive Branch (the President), the Legislative Branch (Congress) and the Judicial Branch (the Courts).

The Legislature is the branch of our government that makes the laws.

Now that you know the basic set-up of American government, maybe you can rethink what you want to blame on George W. Bush.

And please keep in mind while you do that... Congress has been a Democratic majority for a while now.

It is NOT the job of the President of the United States to "regulate the industry". In fact... Constitutionally speaking... that's not the government's job at all. Not any branch of the government. Although Congress has been doing it for years and years now and has little by little amassed more power and control than the Fed gov't ever should have had while whittling away at the free market, state's rights and individual's rights.

What we've seen in the last few weeks with Fannie Mae is blatantly unconstitutional - the Federal Government was NOT granted the right or the power in the Constitution to do what it did. And I for one, as a taxpayer and citizen of this country, am OUTRAGED that our government sees fit to try to "regulate" industry by bailing out failing companies with MY money.

And I lay the blame for that equally on Congress and the President, Democrats and Republicans.

you seem upset that you have to pay taxes at all.

All well and good that you belive in Darwin's survival of the fittest and the weak will die, but i believe what sets us apart from animals is that we try and pool together as a society and work together for the common good. I dont think that people should be left to starve because of an attitue of 'what's it got to do with me?'. to quote a famous 90's film "We're in it for the species boys and girls".

i'm not sure you have any idea on what a deregulated industry looks like? The industry is allready too deregulated and look at the mess that brought in? more deregulation and the fallout that would have ensured would have dragged America into anarchy.

I'll tell you what deregulation looks like. if the banking sector wasnt regulated by government at all, there would be a lot more banks going under. people's money would simply vanish, dosent sound possible but thats EXACTLY what happened in the crash of the late 20's. One day, you'd get up out of bed, walk to your bank to get your money out and the bank simply isnt there. How you going to pay for food? who's going to help you when they take all thats yours and you cant do a thing about it?

when a bank goes under, people's money goes under with it. banks need to be protected and need to be regulated to stop them taking reckless risks for short term profit. Regulation would lower short term profits, but would make the industry more secure and would help long term stability and profits.