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One cannot "cease to exist" twice, one arguing that death = cease to exist either has to withdraw such argument or allow other types of death to exist that do not have a problem with ceasing to exist.



never said the 1st death is ceasing to exist. it obviously is not, if God brings the person back for judgement....where he/she is after mortal death and before judgement is speculation on both our parts. the 2nd death is ceasing to exist, the bible says so. any thought other than what the bible says is your opinion. you are the one interjecting your thoughts and opinions, pretending to have it all figured out....i dont know everything, ive already stated this several times. i do know that the orthodox version of hell is not in the bible....i know this...cause i have the ability to read what it says.:thumbsup:
 
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never said the 1st death is ceasing to exist. it obviously is not, if God brings the person back for judgement....where he/she is after mortal death and before judgement is speculation on both our parts. the 2nd death is ceasing to exist, the bible says so. any thought other than what the bible says is your opinion. you are the one interjecting your thoughts and opinions, pretending to have it all figured out....i dont know everything, ive already stated this several times. i do know that the orthodox version of hell is not in the bible....i know this...cause i have the ability to read what it says.:thumbsup:
If you never said that then quit answering for him then.. let him speak for himself.
 
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Isaiah 5:20

English Standard Version (ESV)

20 Woe to those who call evil good
and good evil,
who put darkness for light
and light for darkness,
who put bitter for sweet
and sweet for bitter!


eternally roasting someone in a firepit, with no hope of escape or end, for all eternity, is not 'good', it is evil.
 
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If you never said that then quit answering for him then.. let him speak for himself.



sorry, i wasnt answering for timothew, he does just fine holding his own position, he is much more knowledgeable in scripture than i....i hold to the same belief as timothew, i therefore answered a question directed at him, i was merely giving my own belief. apologize to you and timothew.
 
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A question I have been asking myself lately...

Why is damnation in hell permanent? Why not another chance after a certain duration of punishment?

It isn't so much permanent as it is the lifetime of the body you are in (which happens to be spiritual after death, which lasts a very, very, very long time.) The kingdom (or lack of it) is within you, so the kingdom of Heaven can be within you on earth for however long you allow it in this earth body. Likewise, in the spirit whatever you have chosen will dictate where you are. Hell is a separation from God, which isn't in itself the fire and eternal damnation, but being separate from Him literally dissolves you from the inside out. It is like being burned alive forever - being separate from, and out of the protection of the Creator and Father.

We are given a relatively long time in these human bodies to make the decision as to whether or not we want to serve God. We are given obstacles, rewards, we are chastised (in terms of trials and tribulation,) we are tested for enrichment (in terms of trials and tribulation.) Through all of this we are expected to make a decision on who we want to serve. Do we want to serve devils through idolatry and self-pleasures, or do we want to serve God through patience, obedience, and self-control? It is literally your choice. And, when you make that ultimate choice, it will naturally follow you throughout your life (as a spirit.) And, since God cannot live with imperfection, you must not live with him.


With all that said, God has grace, mercy, infinite patience, lovekindness, love, and understanding for human struggle (as natural-born sinners,) and the enemies that set out to deceive and destroy us. So, it isn't a black and white "follow-me-sin-once-go-to-hell" type of thing. God works with all of us to make this battlefield called earth a fair handicap for us. For example, He sent His only begotten son to prove to God that a human can perfectly follow all of His law. Thus, God consequently has grace on us (as we were all destined to die physical and spiritual deaths as per sin, but through Christ we can have life.)
 
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It isn't so much permanent as it is the lifetime of the body you are in (which happens to be spiritual after death, which lasts a very, very, very long time.) The kingdom (or lack of it) is within you, so the kingdom of Heaven can be within you on earth for however long you allow it in this earth body. Likewise, in the spirit whatever you have chosen will dictate where you are. Hell is a separation from God, which isn't in itself the fire and eternal damnation, but being separate from Him literally dissolves you from the inside out. It is like being burned alive forever - being separate from, and out of the protection of the Creator and Father.

We are given a relatively long time in these human bodies to make the decision as to whether or not we want to serve God. We are given obstacles, rewards, we are chastised (in terms of trials and tribulation,) we are tested for enrichment (in terms of trials and tribulation.) Through all of this we are expected to make a decision on who we want to serve. Do we want to serve devils through idolatry and self-pleasures, or do we want to serve God through patience, obedience, and self-control? It is literally your choice. And, when you make that ultimate choice, it will naturally follow you throughout your life (as a spirit.) And, since God cannot live with imperfection, you must not live with him.


With all that said, God has grace, mercy, infinite patience, lovekindness, love, and understanding for human struggle (as natural-born sinners,) and the enemies that set out to deceive and destroy us. So, it isn't a black and white "follow-me-sin-once-go-to-hell" type of thing. God works with all of us to make this battlefield called earth a fair handicap for us. For example, He sent His only begotten son to prove to God that a human can perfectly follow all of His law. Thus, God consequently has grace on us (as we were all destined to die physical and spiritual deaths as per sin, but through Christ we can have life.)
Don't expect a reply from the guy who started this thread, he posted three times starting three threads and vanished.
 
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Don't expect a reply from the guy who started this thread, he posted three times starting three threads and vanished.

:-\

Well, maybe another member, guest or someone asking this question on google will see the responses given after the OP left, and it can help them.
 
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never said the 1st death is ceasing to exist. it obviously is not, if God brings the person back for judgement....where he/she is after mortal death and before judgement is speculation on both our parts. the 2nd death is ceasing to exist, the bible says so. any thought other than what the bible says is your opinion. you are the one interjecting your thoughts and opinions, pretending to have it all figured out....i dont know everything, ive already stated this several times. i do know that the orthodox version of hell is not in the bible....i know this...cause i have the ability to read what it says.:thumbsup:
And neither does the 'second death' mean cease to exist'.
 
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If you never said that then quit answering for him then.. let him speak for himself.
Death is death. Death is not life. When a person dies they are dead. God is God however and has the ability to give life to anyone he wants to give life to, even dead corpses. God can and does raise the dead to life again. The Bible says Jesus will return on the last day to raise the dead to life again. Then they will be alive again. Then Jesus gives eternal life to whoever He wants to give eternal life to. According to the bible, those who reject him will not receive eternal life. They will perish. The bible calls this the second death. If you can't figure out why, here it is. It is the second time they died. It's not rocket science or transdimensional physics.

I didn't speak for myself before, that's not odd because it was the middle of the night. So Sadalmelik was kind enough to answer your objections. He really knows what he is talking about so you should listen to him, instead of being stubborn and assuming that you know everything about multidimensional time-compressed alternate universes.
 
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Death is death. Death is not life. When a person dies they are dead. God is God however and has the ability to give life to anyone he wants to give life to, even dead corpses. God can and does raise the dead to life again. The Bible says Jesus will return on the last day to raise the dead to life again. Then they will be alive again. Then Jesus gives eternal life to whoever He wants to give eternal life to. According to the bible, those who reject him will not receive eternal life. They will perish. The bible calls this the second death. If you can't figure out why, here it is. It is the second time they died. It's not rocket science or transdimensional physics.
And they will still live after 'the second death'.

Revelation 20:14-15 (NASB)
14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. 15 And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

And after that:

Revelation 22:11 (NASB)
11 "Let the one who does wrong, still do wrong; and the one who is filthy, still be filthy;
 
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And they will still live after 'the second death'.

Revelation 20:14-15 (NASB)
14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. 15 And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

And after that:

Revelation 22:11 (NASB)
11 "Let the one who does wrong, still do wrong; and the one who is filthy, still be filthy;
Don't you ever sleep? I guess we can all sleep when we're dead ;).

No people will not still live after they die the second death. Oddly enough, they will be dead after they die the second death.

Rev 22:11 is speaking about people before the final judgment.
 
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Don't you ever sleep? I guess we can all sleep when we're dead ;).

No people will not still live after they die the second death. Oddly enough, they will be dead after they die the second death.

Rev 22:11 is speaking about people before the final judgment.
They live after physical death, and they will live after 'the second death'. NOTHING cancels FOREVER.
 
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Death is death. Death is not life. When a person dies they are dead. God is God however and has the ability to give life to anyone he wants to give life to, even dead corpses. God can and does raise the dead to life again. The Bible says Jesus will return on the last day to raise the dead to life again. Then they will be alive again. Then Jesus gives eternal life to whoever He wants to give eternal life to. According to the bible, those who reject him will not receive eternal life. They will perish. The bible calls this the second death. If you can't figure out why, here it is. It is the second time they died. It's not rocket science or transdimensional physics.

I didn't speak for myself before, that's not odd because it was the middle of the night. So Sadalmelik was kind enough to answer your objections. He really knows what he is talking about so you should listen to him, instead of being stubborn and assuming that you know everything about multidimensional time-compressed alternate universes.



wow, multidimensional time compressed alternate universes, thats a mouthful, eh?:p
 
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Death is death. Death is not life. When a person dies they are dead. God is God however and has the ability to give life to anyone he wants to give life to, even dead corpses. God can and does raise the dead to life again. The Bible says Jesus will return on the last day to raise the dead to life again. Then they will be alive again. Then Jesus gives eternal life to whoever He wants to give eternal life to. According to the bible, those who reject him will not receive eternal life. They will perish. The bible calls this the second death. If you can't figure out why, here it is. It is the second time they died. It's not rocket science or transdimensional physics.

I didn't speak for myself before, that's not odd because it was the middle of the night. So Sadalmelik was kind enough to answer your objections. He really knows what he is talking about so you should listen to him, instead of being stubborn and assuming that you know everything about multidimensional time-compressed alternate universes.
So in other words.... death does NOT = cease to exist like you have insisted time and time again..... thanks for clearing that up for us.
 
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So in other words.... death does NOT = cease to exist like you have insisted time and time again..... thanks for clearing that up for us.
Death is Death, OKAY? Death is not life. Why can't you understand this? In order for a person to feel torment, they have to be alive. Dead people are dead. They are not alive as you have insisted time and time again. They are not conscious, have you never seen a dead person? You have to know this, I think you are just pretending to not understand.

Repeat after me: "Dead people are dead, they are not alive."

Don't say "in other words..." You never get it right.
 
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