Why is God mysterious?

[MyLordMySavior]

The sun is marginally further away than the moon, so when the moon passes in front of the sun it eclipses it. Both the moon and the sun are about the same size.

What's considered marginally? I still want to know your numbers. Exactly how far above is the sun and moon from the atmosphere?


Also, all this miles talk got me thinking in miles. I meant feet haha, how awesome it would be to be that far above the earth though...

During an eclipse, they appear to be the exact same size and you say they are about the same size... once again, it would have to be SIGNIFICANTLY farther away because if they're the same size...and when we look into the sky during an eclipse they are the same size.... that would mean they are either extremely dangerously close to one another or very far away from each other.


Just hold up your thumbs- relatively the same size, right? Let one be the sun and moon, and now do an eclipse. Almost on top of each other, they're the same size... because they are. Same distance, they're the same size. Now start creating distance..... close one eye so you can focus better...you'll see your "moon" thumb becomes bigger and bigger and your "sun" thumb becomes smaller and smaller.... even if you move you "sun" thumb just an inch away from the "moon" thumb they no longer appear to be the same size when you line them up as an eclipse.

Now, your theory works if they are almost on top of each other being the same size.

But now my theory has a problem, because the the "sun" is losing size the farther away it goes... so wouldn't that declare my theory wrong? No....

The way this would be fixed is if the sun was significantly bigger than the moon. MUCH bigger. Example, you saw the thumb being the sun...but now(while still holding the thumb significantly far apart) let's make it your entire fist. Woah, suddenly your fist is either bigger or the same size as your thumb even with it far away. And this is what science says, that the sun is MUCH bigger than the moon. The only way the sun could be the same size as the moon in an eclipse would mean it's distance would have be millions of miles away...and what do you know... that is what science says.

Is this a clearer example?

 

[ananda]

What's considered marginally? I still want to know your numbers. Exactly how far above is the sun and moon from the atmosphere?

Also, all this miles talk got me thinking in miles. I meant feet haha, how awesome it would be to be that far above the earth though...

I don't know how far it is; according to people far smarter than me that also believes in a flat earth, they are approximately 3,000 miles above the earth, maybe a few miles apart.

Maybe you can ask your dad for me: If the Earth is allegedly spinning 1,000 mph west to east, why don't airplane pilots have to make 1,000 mph compensations when flying east to west? Why are their flight calculations (to my knowledge) based on a fixed, unmoving earth? Why is it possible for airplanes to fly west to east? If an average airplane is traveling at 600mph, and it travels eastward, then according to the heliocentric theory, it is actually losing ground westward hour by hour because the earth beneath is traveling 1,000mph eastward (400mph faster than the airplane can travel!)

 

[bhsmte]

Aw man, I guess I'll just get more coffee.

Better get something stronger.

 

[MyLordMySavior]

I don't know how far it is; according to people far smarter than me that also believes in a flat earth, they are approximately 3,000 miles above the earth, maybe a few miles apart.

Maybe you can ask your dad for me: If the Earth is allegedly spinning 1,000 mph west to east, why don't airplane pilots have to make 1,000 mph compensations when flying east to west? Why are their flight calculations (to my knowledge) based on a fixed, unmoving earth? Why is it possible for airplanes to fly west to east? If an average airplane is traveling at 600mph, and it travels eastward, then according to the heliocentric theory, it is actually losing ground westward hour by hour because the earth beneath is traveling 1,000mph eastward (400mph faster than the airplane can travel!)

You believe the earth is flat too?? I thought you only believed the sun was super close..

Well, I'll ask him, but in the meantime, can you formulate a response to what I said earlier? Please actually do the thumb thing. It may seem petty, but visualizing is a big part of that refute.

 

[Chesterton]

I don't know how far it is; according to people far smarter than me that also believes in a flat earth, they are approximately 3,000 miles above the earth, maybe a few miles apart.

Maybe you can ask your dad for me: If the Earth is allegedly spinning 1,000 mph west to east, why don't airplane pilots have to make 1,000 mph compensations when flying east to west? Why are their flight calculations (to my knowledge) based on a fixed, unmoving earth? Why is it possible for airplanes to fly west to east? If an average airplane is traveling at 600mph, and it travels eastward, then according to the heliocentric theory, it is actually losing ground westward hour by hour because the earth beneath is traveling 1,000mph eastward (400mph faster than the airplane can travel!)

Earth's atmosphere rotates with the earth.

But do you believe Antarctica has been circumnavigated many times? By people who are alive today even? I think I've heard there's even a cruise ship which takes tourists around it on a regular basis.

 

[Chesterton]

You believe the earth is flat too?? I thought you only believed the sun was super close..

Heh, blind posting...you never know what you might step in.

 

[bhsmte]

Earth's atmosphere rotates with the earth.

But do you believe Antarctica has been circumnavigated many times? By people who are alive today even? I think I've heard there's even a cruise ship which takes tourists around it on a regular basis.

And with the sun only being 3000 miles away, you could probably get a pretty good tan on those cruises around the Antarctica.

 

[MyLordMySavior]

I don't know how far it is; according to people far smarter than me that also believes in a flat earth, they are approximately 3,000 miles above the earth, maybe a few miles apart.

Maybe you can ask your dad for me: If the Earth is allegedly spinning 1,000 mph west to east, why don't airplane pilots have to make 1,000 mph compensations when flying east to west? Why are their flight calculations (to my knowledge) based on a fixed, unmoving earth? Why is it possible for airplanes to fly west to east? If an average airplane is traveling at 600mph, and it travels eastward, then according to the heliocentric theory, it is actually losing ground westward hour by hour because the earth beneath is traveling 1,000mph eastward (400mph faster than the airplane can travel!)

He is about to fly to New York City, so he said it's too much to text but he'll call me in two hours when he lands. That's a lot of math, and my brain can't compute numbers well...but my dad's can.

That's actually something that pilots take into consideration when flying. (Not the standstill, but the moving Earth), he said in a short text because the atmosphere is also spinning at 1,000 mph.

He can't answer right now, but he said read this as a primer and then he'll give a response when he lands.

Does the spin of the earth affect flights? - The Naked Scientists


So, also, curious, what happens when you go past china, the poles, or alaska? Do you fall off the earth?

 

[MyLordMySavior]

Heh, blind posting...you never know what you might step in.

Yeah :o

 

[ananda]

You believe the earth is flat too?? I thought you only believed the sun was super close..

Well, I'll ask him, but in the meantime, can you formulate a response to what I said earlier? Please actually do the thumb thing. It may seem petty, but visualizing is a big part of that refute.

I don't believe in a spherical earth I understand what you said about the thumb, but I believe that the sun is perhaps 3,000 miles away, and the moon, say 2,999 miles away. Not that much of a difference, and can still produce eclipses.

 

[ananda]

Earth's atmosphere rotates with the earth.

But do you believe Antarctica has been circumnavigated many times? By people who are alive today even? I think I've heard there's even a cruise ship which takes tourists around it on a regular basis.

He is about to fly to New York City, so he said it's too much to text but he'll call me in two hours when he lands. That's a lot of math, and my brain can't compute numbers well...but my dad's can.

That's actually something that pilots take into consideration when flying. (Not the standstill, but the moving Earth), he said in a short text because the atmosphere is also spinning at 1,000 mph.

He can't answer right now, but he said read this as a primer and then he'll give a response when he lands.

Does the spin of the earth affect flights? - The Naked Scientists

So, also, curious, what happens when you go past china, the poles, or alaska? Do you fall off the earth?

How does the atmosphere rotate in sync with the earth? If the atmosphere is tied to the earth, how is it possible that we can see clouds, wind, and weather often traveling in opposite directions simultaneously? 2) why doesn't east to west traveling planes encounter increased resistance, 3) and if this force is so immensely great that it ties the atmosphere to the earth even when the earth is a) allegedly spinning at a thousand miles per hour, and b) orbiting the sun at tens of thousands of miles per hour, and c) orbiting the galaxy center & traveling around the universe at millions of miles per hour, then how can little birds and bugs fly every which direction?

It's easier to believe in a flat, stationary earth

I don't know what lies beyond the ice wall "Antartica" that surrounds the earth. To my knowledge, nobody has ever gone far past it. People may have traveled along its coasts, though

 

[MyLordMySavior]

I don't believe in a spherical earth I understand what you said about the thumb, but I believe that the sun is perhaps 3,000 miles away, and the moon, say 2,999 miles away. Not that much of a difference, and can still produce eclipses.

Okay, so you go with dangerously close. You can feel the strength of the sun's heat and light being far away (yours is still far in hindsight just not millions of miles).... how does the moon not disinegrate from being only a mile away from the sun? It should be scorched black then! Our Earth's surface can sometime's get 100 degrees. It would only have to raise 32 more degrees for the all water to boil and evaporate. Now, the closer to the sun you get, the hotter and more radiation you get. This is true! Back to my dad, he's only allowed to fly a certain number of ours because even as far as the sun is (including your view) radiation levels increase. They have to actually test him 2 times a year to make sure it's not dangerous.

How much heat and radiation is the moon facing if it is only a mile away from the sun? How strong is the sun's heat that it can penetrate the ocean's water far below the surface? How damaging is it to the moon then when it is only a mile away!


Also, back to the question before, will we fall of the Earth if we go past Alaska, Poles, China? I'm curious what your view holds!

 

[ananda]

Okay, so you go with dangerously close. You can feel the strength of the sun's heat and light being far away (yours is still far in hindsight just not millions of miles).... how does the moon not disinegrate from being only a mile away from the sun? It should be scorched black then! Our Earth's surface can sometime's get 100 degrees. It would only have to raise 32 more degrees for the all water to boil and evaporate. Now, the closer to the sun you get, the hotter and more radiation you get. This is true! Back to my dad, he's only allowed to fly a certain number of ours because even as far as the sun is (including your view) radiation levels increase. They have to actually test him 2 times a year to make sure it's not dangerous.

How much heat and radiation is the moon facing if it is only a mile away from the sun? How strong is the sun's heat that it can penetrate the ocean's water far below the surface? How damaging is it to the moon then when it is only a mile away!

I don't know ... perhaps God gave the moon special anti-heat properties?

Also, back to the question before, will we fall of the Earth if we go past Alaska, Poles, China? I'm curious what your view holds!

Please see my understanding of the shape of the earth:

http://www.christianforums.com/t7849231-4/#post66555199

 

[ananda]

The human mind is more than capable (under the right circumstances) of creating the perception of reality of the above.

Depending on how one's brain is wired, their life experiences and psychological needs that have developed over time, can have a powerful impact on what one perceives as reality.

I can agree with that

 

[MyLordMySavior]

How does the atmosphere rotate in sync with the earth? If the atmosphere is tied to the earth, how is it possible that we can see clouds, wind, and weather often traveling in opposite directions simultaneously? 2) why doesn't east to west traveling planes encounter increased resistance, 3) and if this force is so immensely great that it ties the atmosphere to the earth even when the earth is a) allegedly spinning at a thousand miles per hour, and b) orbiting the sun at tens of thousands of miles per hour, and c) orbiting the galaxy center & traveling around the universe at millions of miles per hour, then how can little birds and bugs fly every which direction?

It's easier to believe in a flat, stationary earth

I don't know what lies beyond the ice wall "Antartica" that surrounds the earth. To my knowledge, nobody has ever gone far past it. People may have traveled along its coasts, though

What if I told you that my dad flies over Antartica and has many times before? Not just my dad, but many pilots.

My dad has a route. I can track his flight and I have, and he goes on this route all the time. First he goes from Memphis to Alaska, Anchorage to be exact. He travels Northwest to get there. Takes a few hours. He then flys to China. Look at a map. My dad flys to China from Alaska going west to east.

How is this possible if the Earth is FLAT? This wouldn't be possible!!! But he does it! Every pilot does it! Because it's much quicker to go from Alaska to China east to west where it takes a LOT less hours then if he went west to east! He does the same thing when he's going to Dubai or wherever! Because the Earth....is round. My dad could, nor any pilot, could not do this if the Earth was flat.


If the Earth was flat he couldn't go from Alaska to China, west to east, which is actually the only route allowed.



Once again, I am not a pilot so I don't know, and I'd rather give you a primary source as evidence than just pulling an article and having to read it, etc. But, I remember I asked the SAME exact questions when I was younger, and my dad explained it, but I don't remember. He will though, he just has to land first!


In the meantime, can you refute the points I just made?

*How does my dad fly from Alaska to China east to west if the earth is flat? If my dad can get to China flying from Alaska east to west in a few hours, this falls in line with the Earth being round.

*How does my dad fly over Antartica if the earth is flat?

*If the Space Station sees the Earth is round, and rotates around the Earth, and can see the Earth rotating, can live stream it, etc... is this all not enough evidence?


*If the sun is close to us, how are the other planets behind us (VERY far away) receiving sunlight? If it was that close, the sun's trajectory would be too small to reach other planets. Yet, we can see light reaching them. The only way it could was if the sun was very large and far away, increasing it's trajectory large enough to reach all the planets.


Please, be open minded. I also want to make sure what I think is right. That's why I take what the bible says and science says and all of the time, the bible has been aligned with the science. Use the wisdom God gave you! For it was God Himself who said the Earth was round! Isaiah 4:22 "For he sits enthroned above the circle of the Earth"

Don't choose what's easy! Choose what's right and true!

 

[MyLordMySavior]

I don't know ... perhaps God gave the moon special anti-heat properties?

Please see my understanding of the shape of the earth:

http://www.christianforums.com/t7849231-4/#post66555199

I can promise you this is not the case. If it was, pilots would be flying over the north pole ALL the time because it is such a short cut. But they don't, they fly around the Earth. I don't know if they have it online, but my dad has a giant map of every single plane route because there are plane "highways" in the air. Look it up!

 

[ananda]

What if I told you that my dad flies over Antartica and has many times before? Not just my dad, but many pilots.

My dad has a route. I can track his flight and I have, and he goes on this route all the time. First he goes from Memphis to Alaska, Anchorage to be exact. He travels Northwest to get there. Takes a few hours. He then flys to China. Look at a map. My dad flys to China from Alaska going west to east.

How is this possible if the Earth is FLAT? This wouldn't be possible!!! But he does it! Every pilot does it! Because it's much quicker to go from Alaska to China east to west where it takes a LOT less hours then if he went west to east! He does the same thing when he's going to Dubai or wherever! Because the Earth....is round. My dad could, nor any pilot, could not do this if the Earth was flat.


If the Earth was flat he couldn't go from Alaska to China, west to east, which is actually the only route allowed.



Once again, I am not a pilot so I don't know, and I'd rather give you a primary source as evidence than just pulling an article and having to read it, etc. But, I remember I asked the SAME exact questions when I was younger, and my dad explained it, but I don't remember. He will though, he just has to land first!


In the meantime, can you refute the points I just made?

*How does my dad fly from Alaska to China east to west if the earth is flat? If my dad can get to China flying from Alaska east to west in a few hours, this falls in line with the Earth being round.

*How does my dad fly over Antartica if the earth is flat?

*If the Space Station sees the Earth is round, and rotates around the Earth, and can see the Earth rotating, can live stream it, etc... is this all not enough evidence?


*If the sun is close to us, how are the other planets behind us (VERY far away) receiving sunlight? If it was that close, the sun's trajectory would be too small to reach other planets. Yet, we can see light reaching them. The only way it could was if the sun was very large and far away, increasing it's trajectory large enough to reach all the planets.


Please, be open minded. I also want to make sure what I think is right. That's why I take what the bible says and science says and all of the time, the bible has been aligned with the science. Use the wisdom God gave you! For it was God Himself who said the Earth was round! Isaiah 4:22 "For he sits enthroned above the circle of the Earth"

Don't choose what's easy! Choose what's right and true!

A pilot can fly from Alaska to China even if the earth is flat. Do you have evidence that your dad flew past the ice wall? In regards to the space station: 1) their lenses may be fisheye lenses, and can cause images to appear curved, or 2) they are viewing the round circle of the earth as illuminated by the spotlight sun and not necessarily a spherical earth. As for the remaining planets, I believe they are self-illuminated.

As for Isaiah 4:22, it says the circle of the Earth - not the sphere of the Earth. I believe the Earth is circular ... just a relatively flat circle.

Any comment about how the atmosphere is allegedly stuck to the Earth?

 

[ananda]

I can promise you this is not the case. If it was, pilots would be flying over the north pole ALL the time because it is such a short cut. But they don't, they fly around the Earth. I don't know if they have it online, but my dad has a giant map of every single plane route because there are plane "highways" in the air. Look it up!

They don't fly across the north pole? This article and its image shows otherwise.

 

[Davian]

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[com7fy8]

Seems like He isn't very straightforward in His existence, from my perspective.

You always hear talk about "God works in mysterious ways" and all that jazz.

Why is that? Why all the mystery?

Believers: Would you agree that God is mysterious?

I think of how a computer is very complicated. You can't understand all of it, maybe. But it is working very efficiently . . . better and faster than your mind can work, "maybe"; so if it seems mysterious, this can be because it is working on a different level than you are.

For that matter . . . another item, here . . . a computer can not prove that humans created it It, a mechanical being, can't prove it was made by human beings. So, it is interesting how ones insist that humans "prove" that God made us

Back to God's "mysterious" ways > we can know these ways. But these ways are in His love and how He guides us. It is like, again, how you can not understand all the ways of your computer, but you can function along with these ways, by following instructions and pushing the right buttons.

A basic for being in God's ways is to obey how He rules us in His peace >

"And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to which also you were called in one body; and be thankful." (Colossians 3:15)