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We're not fully cabable of knowing if having sex is going to cause harm or not because we can't see the big picture.How can you know it is not going to harm anyone? There is potential for harm and it has nothing to do with women being property.
I don't see a relationship between morality and sex. To me, sex that is consensual and does not break a trust is not a moral issue.I don't see a relationship between morality and vacationing abroad.
I don't abstain from having sex because of what might happen either. But you use that as a reason not to have unmarried sex.It's hard for me to relate to your analogy because I don't abstain from having sex, or traveling abroad, because of what might happen. In fact, I've enjoyed doing both at the same time.
So physical harm is the only kind you know about?Does your mind tell you that it is OK to lie or steal as long as nobody gets harmed ?
This is the thing. A simple rule that says "anything is right as long as no one gets harmed" simply won't do.In what way are you thinking of it harming someone? To some degree, we need the freedom to make poor choices and learn what to do; harm because we don't like the relationship we're in is something most go through and ending premarital sex won't change that. Physical harm can be protected against by practising safe sex. For any sort of emotional harm, you'd need to be able to show that people who have sex outside of marriage are less happy/mentally stable than those who wait until marriage, no?
That's the thing. A simple rule that says "anything is right is long as no one gets harmed" simply won't do.
The reason it won't work is because people do not know (nor or they capable of knowing) if what we do will cause harm or not. We like to think we know, and we fool ourselves into believing that we know, but in reality we don't.know because we can't know.
I think that you are finally starting to see the point. There so many types of harm, and the effects of harm is so far reaching, that we can't always know if having sex is going to cause harm or not.So physical harm is the only kind you know about?
I don't know if I would use the term "generally," But can you give some sort of anaolgy of what you are saying?By that standard, we couldn't say anything is ok because there's generally some way a person could be harmed.
I don't know if I would use the term "generally," But can you give some sort of anaolgy of what you are saying?
Thanks for the reply.Sure.
Don't have sex; you might regret it later or suffer emotional harm.
Don't trust people; they might hurt you.
Don't go outside; you might get hit by a bus.
Don't use a gas stove; you might forget to turn it off and die from the carbon monoxide.
Don't have a child; they might be born with some terrible disease.
Don't play hockey; you could be killed.
You have to take proper precautions and otherwise live you life without constantly worrying about what bad things might happen, IMO.
Not all harm is far reaching. I work in the printing industry. Paper cuts are a common harm. They can reach from the base of my palm to the tips of my fingers. Not very far reaching at all.I think that you are finally starting to see the point. There so many types of harm, and the effects of harm is so far reaching, that we can't always know if having sex is going to cause harm or not.
It is sometimes necessary to lie in order to prevent harm. In these cases, the reaction of another is known beforehand. Preventing a bad reaction is the impetus for the lie.I'm still waiting for an answer faster_jackrabbit.
You absolutely agree that people should be able to do whatever they feel like doing as long no one gets harmed. So once more, my question to you is...
Does your mind tell you that it is OK to lie or steal as long as nobody gets harmed ?
That sounds like an awfully vague way of going through life, so unclear and open ended. People would need a crystal ball in order to live their lives according.It is sometimes necessary to lie in order to prevent harm. In these cases, the reaction of another is known beforehand. Preventing a bad reaction is the impetus for the lie.
When stealing, we must assume that the owner of property intends to maintain ownership of said property. As such, stealing would cause harm. If an owner of property does not care whether someone takes it, then he is in fact ceding ownership for the taking. In this scenario, the taking of property would not be stealing, but would be transferring title with the owner's approval.
Very confusing. Your reply seems irrelevant to my post.That sounds like an awfully vague way of going through life, so unclear and open ended. People would need a crystal ball in order to live their lives according.
Can't you come up with a better answer than that. Come on, I recognize the move. Answer the question istead of avoiding it by asking one.So physical harm is the only kind you know about?
Not all harm is far reaching. I work in the printing industry. Paper cuts are a common harm. They can reach from the base of my palm to the tips of my fingers. Not very far reaching at all.
We can never know much of anything, but I don't need to know the future in crossing the street safely. My experience with crossing the street has taught me how to complete the task without giving it a second thought. Having sex is no different.
You misinterpret my meaning in "without a second thought." We look before crossing the street. We do think before crossing the street, and act accordingly. We don't, however, give a second thought to whether crossing the street can be accomplished safely. Through experience, we know that crossing the street is a perfectly safe activity. That's the connection to sex that I'm making.My experience with sex has taught me how to have a complete sex life. But I sure can't say that I can do it without giving it a second thought.
About its safety? Yes. One should know how to practice safe sex, and like crossing the street, such practice should be engaged without second thought.Do you believe that people should learn to have sex without giving it second thought.?
It may involve morality for you. It does not for me. (Of course, I don't rape or molest children. All my sexual encounters have been with consensting adults, so morality is irrelevant.)Sex is not as simple as crossing the street. Sex involves morality.
Everything that is subject to the rules of right conduct involves morality. And the more we start talking about the principals of morality the deeper we get into ethics.It may involve morality for you. It does not for me. (Of course, I don't rape or molest children. All my sexual encounters have been with consensting adults, so morality is irrelevant.)
We've already established that Sex is to be conducted safely and consentualy. Therefore it must be subject to some sort of rules.
If safety and consent do not fall under the rules of right conduct what kind of rules do they fall under?
Safety and consent are most certainly rules of right conduct. Therefore sex, regardless if anyone chooses to believe it or not, involves morality.
You seem to be hung up on physical harm. As someone pointed out, non-physical harm is inherent in lying and stealing. How can you steal from someone and not harm them?I'm still waiting for an answer faster_jackrabbit.
You absolutely agree that people should be able to do whatever they feel like doing as long no one gets harmed. So once more, my question to you is...
Does your mind tell you that it is OK to lie or steal as long as nobody gets harmed ?
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