Why is evolution taught in our schools?

[Speedwell]

actually most scientists believe in higher power. are you believe in higher power now?

So what? That doesn't mean they have to believe in a shallow and theologically inadequate interpretation of an ancient holy book. Nor does it mean they have to believe in pseudoscience concocted as a Trojan Horse to sneak that inadequate interpretation into the public schools.

 

[sfs]

why you call it a "fact" when its clearly not?

Why do you keep making claims about science you don't understand?

 

[Neostarwcc]

What evidence?
See, considering how demonstrably ill-informed you are about science in general, and biology in particular, and considering how you have clearly been lied to and/or conned by creationist propaganda, chances are rather enormour that you are incorrect about this supposed "evidence for creationism" as well...




To be fair, the bible doesn't actually say that.
Some dude named Ussher said that in the 1600s somewhere.




Haaaaaa, here we go....
The "when we're dead" card, coupled with another nasty threat at the address of the unbelievers...

And we're only on page 4 of the thread.
That sure didn't take long.

I could list the "evidence" but you wouldn't listen to me or bother paying attention to it anyway so why argue? Besides this thread isnt about debating creationism vs evolution there are plenty of other topics in this forum for that where Christians present plenty of evidence for creationism. Let's just say that I believe creationism to be established science like you believe evolution to be established science and leave it at that. What's wrong with asking Jesus questions when I die? That is when I'll meet him and when you will meet him and when everyone will meet him. So yes I will ask him questions and there's nothing wrong with that. You're right it was wrong of me to post that warning to unbelievers. I'll apologize and remove it. I've just got to find it you said it was on page 4 right?

*edit* its removed.

 

[Tolworth John]

I think/hope you mispoke there, because what you wrote made no sense at all.

Yes, fumble fingers strike again.

what i was trying to say was if evolution was demonstrable superior to the creation idea no one would believe it.

As for your other points, biology as a subject in school or as a research tool can be performed without any reference to evolution.
Evolution as a theory or an idea does not affect how scientist do there work.

And you are wrong about the origin of life. That is a vital part of evolution, unless of course you accept the idea of God creating life from non life.

 

[VirOptimus]

Yes, fumble fingers strike again.

what i was trying to say was if evolution was demonstrable superior to the creation idea no one would believe it.

As for your other points, biology as a subject in school or as a research tool can be performed without any reference to evolution.
Evolution as a theory or an idea does not affect how scientist do there work.

And you are wrong about the origin of life. That is a vital part of evolution, unless of course you accept the idea of God creating life from non life.

The science of biology requires the theory of evolution, both in research but also in applied science (learn about how medicines are researched).

The origin of life is not in any way part of the theory of evolution.

 

[Neostarwcc]

So what? That doesn't mean they have to believe in a shallow and theologically inadequate interpretation of an ancient holy book. Nor does it mean they have to believe in pseudoscience concocted as a Trojan Horse to sneak that inadequate interpretation into the public schools.

I don't think anyone's trying to say that. I didn't mean to imply that creationism should be taught in our schools. I mean its already been said why it isnt. It's because this country has religious freedoms and to teach creationism in schools would be to favor the Christian religion. Even if Christians believe Christianity to be truth you can't force that down somebody's throat. Buddhists have a right to be Buddhist just as much as Atheists have a right to be Atheist.

 

[Speedwell]

You're right it was wrong of me to post that warning to unbelievers.

Because it's not just "unbelievers you are conversing with here, and because what it sounded like was a taunt, "neener neener, you're going to Hell and I'm not, because I believe in a literal Genesis and you don't."

This discussion forum is not about whether God exists or not, or whether Christ is our savior or not. It's about the book of Genesis, no more, no no less.

 

[Tolworth John]

The science of biology requires the theory of evolution, both in research but also in applied science (learn about how medicines are researched).

The origin of life is not in any way part of the theory of evolution.

Ah another secret creationist who believes God created life out of non life.

Get real Either life just appeared or it was created. if it just appeared please explain the scientific rules that cause life to appear.

 

[expos4ever]

And you are wrong about the origin of life. That is a vital part of evolution.....

Simply untrue.

Now then: are you

(1) misinformed? Or
(2) bearing false witness?

 

[Speedwell]

I don't think anyone's trying to say that. I didn't mean to imply that creationism should be taught in our schools. I mean its already been said why it isnt. It's because this country has religious freedoms and to teach creationism in schools would be to favor the Christian religion. Even if Christians believe Christianity to be truth you can't force that down somebody's throat. Buddhists have a right to be Buddhist just as much as Atheists have a right to be Atheist.

And it would not favor the Christian religion as a whole, but just a narrow segment of it.

 

[Speedwell]

Ah another secret creationist who believes God created life out of non life.

Get real Either life just appeared or it was created. if it just appeared please explain the scientific rules that cause life to appear.

How would you tell? How do you rule divine providence out of natural phenomena?

 

[VirOptimus]

Ah another secret creationist who believes God created life out of non life.

Get real Either life just appeared or it was created. if it just appeared please explain the scientific rules that cause life to appear.

I dont believe in god(s).

But the origin of life is a separate field of biology and not part of the ToE.

Im not responsible for your education but there are quite a lot of research done on the origion of life and very much of it is available online. Try searching for peer-reviewed papers on the subject and Im sure you can learn a few things.

 

[DogmaHunter]

what i was trying to say was if evolution was demonstrable superior to the creation idea no one would believe it.

That's demonstrably false.
Would you say that "spherical earth" models are demonstrably superior to "flat earth" models? I'ld certainly say so. Yet, there are still flat earthers.

So how demonstrably superior an idea is, is no guarantee that ignorant people will stop being ignorant.

[qutoe]
As for your other points, biology as a subject in school or as a research tool can be performed without any reference to evolution.[/quote]

Not really, as evolution explains the biodiversity and all that.
It explains why we only find koala bears and kangaroo's in australia and nowhere else on the planet.

It explains why today we have things like brussel sprouts and broccoli.
It explains why we need new flu shots every year.

As biologists like to say: "Without evolution, nothing in biology makes any sense"

Evolution as a theory or an idea does not affect how scientist do there work.

Except the opposite is true.

Take a paleontologist, to name just one example
Without evolution theory, a paleontologist has NO IDEA what to look for, nore where to dig.

And you are wrong about the origin of life. That is a vital part of evolution, unless of course you accept the idea of God creating life from non life.

psssssst: your ignorance is showing.

Do you remember the title of Darwin's book?

Was it "The origins of life"? Or was it "The origins of species"?

 

[Neostarwcc]

Because it's not just "unbelievers you are conversing with here, and because what it sounded like was a taunt, "neener neener, you're going to Hell and I'm not, because I believe in a literal Genesis and you don't."

This discussion forum is not about whether God exists or not, or whether Christ is our savior or not. It's about the book of Genesis, no more, no no less.

Yeah it was wrong of me. Its hard for Christians to get the truth out there when they go around saying that. Its deleted.

 

[DogmaHunter]

I could list the "evidence" but you wouldn't listen to me or bother paying attention to it anyway so why argue?

How would you know, without trying?
After all, this subform is meant especially for presenting such evidene. Maybe you should give it a go.

Do I expect a rehash of a bunch of creationist PRATTs? Sure.
Am I willing to be surprised? Yes!

Besides this thread isnt about debating creationism vs evolution there are plenty of other topics in this forum for that where Christians present plenty of evidence for creationism. Let's just say that I believe creationism to be established science like you believe evolution to be established science and leave it at that.

Let's not leave it at that.
If creationism is "established science", then there are scientific publications in scientific journals on the topic. All you would need to do, is link those papers.

What's wrong with asking Jesus questions when I die?

I think the whole point of this, is finding out before we die.........

 

[Neostarwcc]

And it would not favor the Christian religion as a whole, but just a narrow segment of it.

That's true. So you believe in evolution as a Christian? If yes why?

 

[Speedwell]

That's true. So you believe in evolution as a Christian? If yes why?

I don't "believe" it, I accept it on the same provisional basis I accept any other scientific theory. It's plausible, explains all the scientific evidence now in hand and is contradicted by none of it, and there is no credible competing theory at the present time.

Of course, I was not saddled with the notion to begin with that the creation stories of Genesis must of necessity be accurate literal history--which I wouldn't believe even if there was no theory of evolution..

 

[sfs]

Evolution as a theory or an idea does not affect how scientist do there work.

Hold on there a moment. Are you a biologist? Have you asked any biologists about evolution? Do you have any basis at all for what you just wrote here, or are you just making stuff up? I'm a scientist, and quite a lot of my work and the work of my colleagues relies heavily on evolution. Now, why should I believe you about science rather than the day-to-day experience of actually doing science?

 

[AV1611VET]

I don't think anyone's trying to say that. I didn't mean to imply that creationism should be taught in our schools. I mean its already been said why it isnt. It's because this country has religious freedoms and to teach creationism in schools would be to favor the Christian religion. Even if Christians believe Christianity to be truth you can't force that down somebody's throat. Buddhists have a right to be Buddhist just as much as Atheists have a right to be Atheist.

I love what my pastor said:

"America is full of churches from one end to the other; and that's just the way the Devil wants it."

 

[Neostarwcc]

How would you know, without trying?
After all, this subform is meant especially for presenting such evidene. Maybe you should give it a go.

Do I expect a rehash of a bunch of creationist PRATTs? Sure.
Am I willing to be surprised? Yes!



Let's not leave it at that.
If creationism is "established science", then there are scientific publications in scientific journals on the topic. All you would need to do, is link those papers.




I think the whole point of this, is finding out before we die.........

Yeah you've heard it all before I'm sure. So I don't see the point in going off topic and arguing with you when you've heard it all before. Its just going to be a bunch of rehashing from Christian scientists that atheists have heard before and some scientists discredit.

There are plenty of scientists out there trying to prove that God created the universe so why don't their findings count as science to you? Yet any scientist that comes up with an alternate theory and its immediately counted as science.

Wait I can predict your answer its because there is no God. But if there is no God why have numerous people seen him? They can't all be " nutjobs" like me. People have actually seen Jesus in his glorified body. People have been legally dead for 30 minutes and have seen God. Yet people refuse to listen to these people and write them off as crazy. Why? Science cannot explain why. Just like science will never prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that there is no God. It'll never prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that there is a God either. Part of believing in God is faith.

Right because atheists don't believe that there's a life after death. I know I was an atheist for a good chunk of my life so I know the arguments for it. But see I and other Christians do believe in a life after death. There is a Jesus. And if I want to ask him questions I have that right. There are some questions that only God can answer. Like for example why I have schizo-affecive disorder. Science hasnt come even close to answering why. Its a chemical imbalance in my brain but what caused that chemical imbalance? Why does it affect so much of the population? There are plenty of bipolar and schizophenic people in the world. I'm grateful for the medicine that has come out because without it I probably would be locked up in a mental hospital for the rest of my life. But science cannot answer why. Scientists can't figure it out. But God knows why because God knows everything. And its one of the first questions I'm going to ask him. You can call me ignorant and stupid all you want. Laugh at me all you want. I know its true because like other "crazy" people I have seen God too.