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WHY IS DANIEL 9:24-27 ONE OF THE MOST SIGNIFICANT PASSAGES IN SCRIPTURE ?

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I recently read the whole Book of Daniel again.

I encourage believers to read the whole book, and to gain an understanding of the context of the passages. I believe it is a great mistake to pull out a few passages, and then claim some sort of 'greater understanding'.

I noticed two things about Daniel. First, he was a man of great faith and prayer. Surely we can all learn from that! Is there anyone here who is devoted to prayer, in the same way as Daniel?

Be honest.
Really?

Secondly, Daniel records that after his visions from God, he was sick to his stomach for days. That is a very honest comment. So - for those people who hope for visions and prophecies - are you really content to throw up your food (breakfast, lunch and dinner) for a whole week?

I think we need more humility and respect for the sacredness of God.

Blessings!!
 
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You probably think those who produced the NKJV must be a "classic joke!" also, since their scriptural reference beside of Daniel 9:27 is Matthew 26:28...

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No! Your remarks the 1499 issue of the Geneva Bible is what the pilgrims brought to America, is what the classic joke is!


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I think we need more humility and respect for the sacredness of God.

We couldn't agree more.

And nothing elevates the sacredness of God more than the recognition of the complete fulfillment of Daniel 9:24-27 in the perfect and final sacrifice of His Son at Calvary, and the realization that He accomplished everything that He came to do to establish the New Covenant in His Blood for us who will accept it by faith.

That is the reality of the timeless message of the prophet Daniel to the world.
 
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The purpose of the 70 Week prophecy of Daniel is documented below. It pertains to the destiny of Israel. Most of which is about Jesus, except verse 27, which is all about the Antichrist, as follows:

70 Weeks prophecy in Daniel of 490 years was based on the reasons for their 70 year exile to Babylon

To the second coming of our Lord, Jesus Christ!

0 Weeks prophecy in Daniel of 490 years was based on the reasons for their 70 year exile to Babylon

To the second coming of our Lord, Jesus Christ!

Seventy Weeks/sevens Are Determined Upon Your People!

The following is a complete analysis Of the amazing prophecy found in the book of Daniel, in Dan.9:24-27. We will begin in verse 24 where the angel Gabriel is giving this prophecy to Daniel, the prophet.

"Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and the prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy."

1. Referrence here is to what God has decreed upon Daniel's people, Israel. (It has nothing at all to do with the church!)
2. See Gen.29:27 to explain that this biblical term of "one week" equals seven years. So the 70 weeks here, represents a total of 490 years, or 7 X 70.)

Vs.25. "Know, therefore, and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah/Prince/Anointed One, shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks; (49 + 434 = 483 years, covering 69 of the 70 weeks,) the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times." (See Neh.1:6.)

The first seven weeks of the prophecy, or 49 years in vs 25, refers to the dedication of the completed rebuilding of Jerusalem and the walls, in the 32nd year of the Persian king, Artaxerxes, in the 7th month, [Neh.5:14 and 8:1] leaving the remainder, or 62 more weeks, of 434 more years, for a total of 69 weeks, or 483 years] to the triumphant entry of Jesus into Jerusalem.

According to the Royal Observatory, Greenwich, England, the exact date of King Artaxerxes, of Persia, gave the decree for some of the Israeli exiles to return to Jerusalem on March 14, 445 BC.
From the 69 weeks (Of years) from above, or 483 years, multiplied by the 360 days of the Hebrew year, equals 173,880 days.

Vs.26. "And after the sixty two weeks/sevens [Plus the first seven weeks/sevens; for a total of sixty nine weeks/sevens], to the triumphant entry of Jesus into Jerusalem, on April 6, 32 A.D. the Anointed One/the Messiah/the Prince will be cut off and will have nothing." Culminating in a total of 69 weeks, or 483 years, which began with the Persian King, Artaxerxes Decree on March 14th, 445 BC.) "...and the people of the prince that shall come, the Roman army, led by general Titus, shall destroy the city and the sanctuary [in 70 A.D.], and the end of it shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined." 483 years of the 490 prophecied were fulfilled through Dan.9:26. 26. The 7oth and final week of 7 years, documented in Dan.9:27, is yet to come, as Jesus described in His Olivet Discourse, in Mt.24; Mk.13 and in Lk.21.

After Jesus has been crucified, the Roman (prince) Titus comes with his legions and destroys Jerusalem and the second temple in 70 AD, after bitter fighting, scattering Israel and the Jewish people into their diaspora.
To establish the time Jesus began His ministry, and approximate age, we find the evidence in Luke 3:1 and 3:23.

Lk.3:1. "Now in the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar, Pontius Pilot being governor of Judaea, and Herod being tetrarch of Galilee, and his brother Philip, tetrarch of Ituraea and of the region of Thrachonitis and Lysanias, the tetrarch of Abilene, Annas and Caiaphas being the high priests, the word of God came unto John, the son of Zacharias, in the wilderness."

Which brings us to 29 AD and Jesus is about 30 years of age.

Lk.3:23. "And Jesus Himself began to be about 30 years of age, (When all Jewish priests begin their priesthood.) being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, who was the son of Heli,"

Jn.12:12-13. "On the next day many people that were come to the feast, when they heard that Jesus was coming to Jerusalem, Took branches of palm trees and and went forth to meet Him, and cried Hosanna! Blessed is the King of Israel, that cometh in the name of the Lord." April 6th 32 AD. [According to Sir Robert Armstrong at the Royal Observatory, Greenwich, England.]

There are 173,880 days from King Artaxerxes of Persia, decree of March 14,444 BC. From Neh.2:1-8. Based on the 360 day Hebrew year. Which makes no difference whatever from a 365 day year, when all the necessary corrections are made.

Or it can also be calculated from the 365 day year as follows:

69 X 7 = 483

445 B.C. to 32 A.D. is 476 years (B.C. 1 to A.D. 1 is one year).
476 x 365 days 173,740 days
Add for leap years 116 days (less 3 in 4 centuries) = 173,856
March 14 to April 6, plus 24 days (inclusive) 173,856
+ 24 days = 173,880 total days, 483 years

Terminal event of 69 weeks:

The above date was the same day that the Lord Jesus Christ fulfilled the prophecy of Zechariah 9:9 (compare Luke19:28-44).[28]

360 X 483 = 173,880 days. Since the earth is 360 degrees in circumference, why not one day per degree ?

Converting the 365.2422 day year to the 360 day year:
1. 32 years [AD] X 365.2422 days in our year = 11,687.75 days.
2. 444 years [BC] X 365.2422 days in our year = 162,167.5 days.
3. Total 173,855 days divided by 365.2422 = 476 years.
4. Plus 24 days between the date of the decree in 444 BC and Jesus cut-off in 32 AD = 477 years, 24 days
5. Subtract one year because there is no year zero between 1 BC and 1 AD. = 476 years, 24 days.
6. 476 years X 365.2422 days = 173,855 days +24 = 173,880 Days
7. Add days of the leap years over 476 years. Divided by 4 = 119 days = 173,883 days
8. Subtract 1/128 Calendar year day for every solar year: Leap year omitted every 128 years.= -3 days
= 173,880 days!

Or another way of arriving at the same number of days while usin our 365.2422 day year:

Concerning the first 483 years (69x7) some scholars have calculated the fulfillment of this to the very day when Jesus rode into Jerusalem on a donkey. Revelation speaks of the second 3½ years of the Tribulation as 1,260 days and as 42 months (Rev. 11:2,3; 13:5). This would give us a 360 day year instead of our 365¼ day solar year. If the 483 years in Daniel 9 are to be understood the same way then that would come out to 173,880 days (483x360). To convert this into our solar years, we divide by 365.2422 and get 476.05 (173,880 / 365.2422). According to my Microsoft Encarta Encyclopedia, the commandment of Artaxerxes I to Nehemiah to rebuild Jerusalem (Dan. 9:25) was in 444 BC. (This is also recorded in Nehemiah 2) 476 years - 444 BC = 32 + 1 (because 1 BC to 1 AD is one year, there is no year 0) brings us to 33 AD which is the year many scholars date the crucifixion (for various other reasons). The triumphal entry of our Lord into Jerusalem was just a few days before the crucifixion. However, even if we are not positive on some of these dates, the time frame is close enough that it is obvious that Jesus fulfilled the prediction

Which reveals the 360 day prophetic year of Israel works out to the very same as our present 365.2422 day year when all the corrections have been made to the latter.

The 70th week of Daniel's prophecy, of the final 7 years, is the Tribulation/Jacob's Trouble/Day of the Lord [Jer.30:7and 2 Thes.2:2-3] which will conclude the 490 year prophecy decreed upon his people, with a 2,000 year parenthetic in between, that covers the entire church age!

Dan.9:27. "And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week; and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate." Note that all three of the "he's" in that vs is the antichrist, the beast out of the sea, whom Satan will give his throne, power and great authority, according to Rev.13:1-2.
Amplified in the Olivet Discourse in Mt.24 and the counterparts in Mk.13 and in Lk.21, as well as in Rev.6.


The Second Coming of the Messiah, our Lord Jesus Christ!

When the 70th and final week [seven years] prophecy described above is nearly completed, yet to take place, the Messiah, our Lord Jesus Christ, will return to the Mount of Olives, according to Zech.14:4-5, with all the saints, the Church, following Him, riding on white horses, dressed in fine linen, white and clean, in His armies from heaven, according to Rev.19:14, together with the angels, according to Mt.24:30-31.

Jesus will lead us into the battle of Armageddon against the two beasts, the antichrist, and the false prophet and the ten horns [nations] allied with them. Our glorified bodies will be indestructable as well as sealed by the Holy Spirit. We will destroy the armies of the antichrist and the false prophet whom Jesus will throw into the lake of fire, recorded in Rev.19:17-20.


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Gospel to the Jew “first”:



Based on Matthew 10:5-7 and Galatians 1:14-18, the Gospel was taken "first" to Daniel's people for a period of about 7 years before Paul began his ministry to the Gentiles.




The fact that the Gospel went first to the Jews is confirmed by the verses below.



Rom_1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.


Rom_2:9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;


Rom_2:10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:



The only way to see the 70th week of Daniel is with a time machine set to return you to the first century.

Below, Dr. Al Garza uses the Hebrew text to prove there is no "antichrist" in Daniel 9:27.



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Aren't you grateful that you don't have to offer animal sacrifices?

That's because the grammatical antecedent of all of the "he's" in verse 27 is Messiah the Prince.

Rejoice and be exceeding glad.
 
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OK -- all the "He's" and "princes" in 9:27 can be Christ --

but in 9:26 -- people of a prince that shall come -- cannot be Christ; or else you have Messiah's people destroying their own Temple and their own city -- cannot get around this

Too much of a stretch to say Jews were directly responsible for Jerusalem/Temple's destruction; way too far-fetched

Titus's people -- Titus Roman General and son of Emperor Vespasian -- it was his men who destroyed the Temple and the city

There's no end-time antichrist in Daniel 9 that I can see, the 70 weeks is concluded in one uninterrupted piece of time from decree to rebuild Jerusalem until stoning of Stephen

saying there is a yet-future 70th week floating around waiting to happen is a misconception of many pre-tribbers and post-tribbers alike

The Church Age is not a parenthesis
 
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Revisit post #57 for an Old Testament precedent for how the Roman armies under Titus did qualify as the people of the prince.

You are completely correct re. no antichrist, 70 contiguous weeks, no parenthetical Church Age, etc. And in great company, for those are the understandings of the overwhelming majority of the true historical Christian Church for over eighteen centuries.
 
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This over looks the most important part of the 70 week prophecy

Daniel 9:24: Seventy ‘sevens’c are decreed for your people and your holy city to 1.) finishd transgression, 2.) to put an end to sin, 3.) to atone for wickedness, 4.) to bring in everlasting righteousness, 5.) to seal up vision and prophecy and 6.) to anoint the Most Holy Place.e


Were any of the 6 items in Daniel 9:24 fulfilled in within the Seventy 'sevens' ?

1.) to finish transgression? Yes, it is fulfilled:
Hebrews 9:15
Therefore Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, now that He has died to redeem them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant.
2.) to put an end to sin? Yes, it is fulfilled:
Hebrews 9:26
Otherwise, He would have had to suffer repeatedly since the foundation of the world. But now He has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of Himself.
3.) to atone for wickedness? Yes, it is fulfilled:
Hebrews 2:17
So He had to be made like His brothers in every way, that He might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, in order to make atonement for the sins of the people
1 John 1:25
God presented Him as an atoning sacrifice through faith in His blood, in order to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance He had passed over the sins committed beforehand.
4.) to bring in everlasting righteousness? Yes, it is fulfilled:
2 Corinthians 5:21
God made Him who knew no sin to be sinb on our behalf, so that in Him we might become the righteousness of God.
Romans 3:21-24
But now, apart from the Law, the righteousness of God has been revealed, as attested by the Law and the Prophets. And this righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no distinction, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24and are justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus.
5.) to seal up vision and prophecy? Yes, it is fulfilled:
Luke 24:44 Jesus said to them, “These are the words I spoke to you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about Me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets, and the Psalms
2 Corinthians 1:20
For all the promises of God are “Yes” in Christ. And so through Him, our “Amen” is spoken to the glory of God.
6.) to anoint the most holy place? Yes, it is fulfilled:
John 2:21
But Jesus was speaking about the temple of His body
Acts 10:38
how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power, and how Jesus went around doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, because God was with Him.
 
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An inspirational enumeration indeed.

Slight typo:

For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.

is 2 Cor. 1:20

Blessings brother.
 
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An inspirational enumeration indeed.

Slight typo:

For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.

is 2 Cor. 1:20

Blessings brother.
Thank you and
Thanks for the corrections friend,

Blessings
 
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Thank you and
Thanks for the corrections friend,

Blessings

Who are the people of the prince who destroy Jerusalem?

When do they destroy Jerusalem?

How does Jesus confirm covenant in one week, if he has been crucified in the middle of the week?
 
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How does Jesus confirm covenant in one week, if he has been crucified in the middle of the week?

Gospel to the Jew “first”:


Based on Matthew 10:5-7 and Galatians 1:14-18, the Gospel was taken "first" to Daniel's people for a period of about 7 years before Paul began his ministry to the Gentiles.




The fact that the Gospel went first to the Jews is confirmed by the verses below.



Rom_1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.


Rom_2:9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;

Rom_2:10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:



The only way to see the 70th week of Daniel is with a time machine set to return you to the first century.


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The confirmed New Covenant is found below.

Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.


Heb 8:6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.
Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second.
Heb 8:8 Because finding fault with them, He says: "BEHOLD, THE DAYS ARE COMING, SAYS THE LORD, WHEN I WILL MAKE A NEW COVENANT WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AND WITH THE HOUSE OF JUDAH—
Heb 8:9 NOT ACCORDING TO THE COVENANT THAT I MADE WITH THEIR FATHERS IN THE DAY WHEN I TOOK THEM BY THE HAND TO LEAD THEM OUT OF THE LAND OF EGYPT; BECAUSE THEY DID NOT CONTINUE IN MY COVENANT, AND I DISREGARDED THEM, SAYS THE LORD.
Heb 8:10 FOR THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AFTER THOSE DAYS, SAYS THE LORD: I WILL PUT MY LAWS IN THEIR MIND AND WRITE THEM ON THEIR HEARTS; AND I WILL BE THEIR GOD, AND THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE.
Heb 8:11 NONE OF THEM SHALL TEACH HIS NEIGHBOR, AND NONE HIS BROTHER, SAYING, 'KNOW THE LORD,' FOR ALL SHALL KNOW ME, FROM THE LEAST OF THEM TO THE GREATEST OF THEM.
Heb 8:12 FOR I WILL BE MERCIFUL TO THEIR UNRIGHTEOUSNESS, AND THEIR SINS AND THEIR LAWLESS DEEDS I WILL REMEMBER NO MORE."
Heb 8:13 In that He says, "A NEW COVENANT," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.


Heb 10:16 "THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THEM AFTER THOSE DAYS, SAYS THE LORD: I WILL PUT MY LAWS INTO THEIR HEARTS, AND IN THEIR MINDS I WILL WRITE THEM,"
Heb 10:17 then He adds, "THEIR SINS AND THEIR LAWLESS DEEDS I WILL REMEMBER NO MORE."
Heb 10:18 Now where there is remission of these, there is no longer an offering for sin.


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It is complicated, because the message was solely for the people of Daniel, the Jews living at the time, that lead up to the building of Jerusalem and the coming of Messiah.

I see this as a condition upon Daniel's people, albeit a condition they failed miserably. Jesus the bridegroom took his Kingdom from them and gave it to another peoples that were not called his people.

Jesus threatened them that if they did not say blessed is he who came in the name of the Lord, that they will never see him as their King. Jesus said your house is left onto you desolate.

Did the six conditions get met by the Jews?

The vision isn't sealed until the seventh trumpet is blasted and time no longer declared. As Jesus said, the first (Jews) will be last and the last (Gentiles) will be first. This will happen when the gospel spreads and the fullness of the gentiles comes.

This is why, I believe that from the Cross until Christ's brilliant return, we are living in the last remaining half of Daniel's 70th week.
 
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Gospel to the Jew “first”:

Yes.

Based on Matthew 10:5-7 and Galatians 1:14-18, the Gospel was taken "first" to Daniel's people for a period of about 7 years before Paul began his ministry to the Gentiles.

The Jews that tge prophesy was for in the first place failed miserably abd the gospel went to the Gentiles. So the Jews who were first to hear the gospel became last.

The fact that the Gospel went first to the Jews is confirmed by the verses below.

Yes.

The only way to see the 70th week of Daniel is with a time machine set to return you to the first century.

It is when the Jews who were supposed to be first come as the last to pick up the slack.
 
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Who are the people of the prince who destroy Jerusalem?

When do they destroy Jerusalem?

There are two perspectives regarding the identity of the people of the prince Messiah, both applicable:

1. The pagan Roman armies under Titus, which were God's instruments of judgment and destruction. In similar fashion elsewhere, e.g. Jeremiah 43:10-13, God described the pagan Nebuchadnezzar, whom He chose as His instrument of judgment and destruction, as being "My servant." That would of course also include the armies under his control.
2. The Jews themselves, whom Josephus documents as being responsible for an enormity of the suffering that occurred: "I shall therefore speak my mind here at once briefly; that neither did any other city ever suffer such miseries; nor did any age ever breed a generation more fruitful in wickedness than this was from the beginning of the world." Contemporary Jews concur:

"The scene was now set for the revolt's final catastrophe. Outside Jerusalem, Roman troops prepared to besiege the city; inside the city, the Jews were engaged in a suicidal civil war. In later generations, the rabbis hyperbolically declared that the revolt's failure, and the Temple's destruction, was due not to Roman military superiority but to causeless hatred (sinat khinam) among the Jews (Yoma 9b). While the Romans would have won the war in any case, the Jewish civil war both hastened their victory and immensely increased the casualties. One horrendous example: In expectation of a Roman siege, Jerusalem's Jews had stockpiled a supply of dry food that could have fed the city for many years. But one of the warring Zealot factions burned the entire supply, apparently hoping that destroying this "security blanket" would compel everyone to participate in the revolt. The starvation resulting from this mad act caused suffering as great as any the Romans inflicted."

Jerusalem was destroyed circa 70 AD.
 
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The people of the Prince. If people consider the Prince to be Jesus. The antecedent being The Messiah in question

Let us revisit the verse...

And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

I don't believe the people of the Messiah were those who said we want Barrabbas. Meaning after his father. This Barrabbas seems to typify the saying, after your father the Devil.

It seems that the Jews were not coming against Jerusalem as a invading flood that overruns, if they were there in the first, in the besieging of Jerusalem. Let alone would they have been identified as the Messiah's people. It is highly suggestive that the Roman people would have been Christianized as the Gentiles who were once called not God's people, but now are become Messiah's people, due to Apostle Paul's ministry.


I don't doubt that they became suicidal. But this is where God's wrath determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Notice the false dichotomy, in that the Jews could not be declared desolate and at the same time Messiah's people.

Jerusalem was destroyed circa 70 AD.

Yes.
 
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The Jews that tge prophesy was for in the first place failed miserably abd the gospel went to the Gentiles. So the Jews who were first to hear the gospel became last.

You must have cut Acts chapter 2 out of your Bible, where Peter addressed the crowd as "all the house of Israel", in Acts 2:36, and about 3,000 Israelites accepted the Gospel of the New Covenant on that day.

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If we are in the last remaining 3.5. This would explain why Jesus said to his new covenant Church.

After three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them. 12And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them. 13And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

After 3.5 days the ministry of the Church is complete. The Church is martyred by the Devil who reigns from earthly Jerusalem.

Then those martyrd in Christ are the dead who rise first. Then the great earthquake occurs that destroys earth by moving every mountain out of its place. The remnant elect who were hiding in their Angelic provided chambers come out to see the picture depicted in Joel 2:1-12. Before them it was like the Garden, green and lush and after them a desolate wilderness, that is after God's judgement vials are poured. They are the one's giving glory. Then the final show down before Christ's brilliant coming, where the Devil's army come at the foot of the mountain where the remnant elect were taken to by the Angelic hosts.
 
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You must have cut Acts chapter 2 out of your Bible, where Peter addressed the crowd as "all the house of Israel", in Acts 2:36, and about 3,000 Israelites accepted the Gospel of the New Covenant on that day.

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You need a second scripture witness. Peter on his own will not suffice.
 
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