I don't go to Church ever since I was 14. I dress in my own style. Suites and tuxedos look just ugly I could never wear one. I am more the type to wear jeans and t-shirt to be neutral that's as masculine I am with clothing. I always wear make up and when dressing for occasions I wear skirts and high heels. I had long hair back then. As I always did as a child. I always have been perceieved as female. I don't consider myself male or female but family and friends always call me Jack and reffer to me as a 'he'. At church they thought I was a 'boy' but never would say so myself. Anyway when I was 14 I started occasionally wearing skirt and make up noticeably. And my dad was told I needed to dress properly or not attend because it made many feel uncomfortable. I don't get where GOD says guys girls or anyone has to dress any way according to gender standards... Why is it not accepted? why can't churches focus on religion not societal structures?
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Why is crossdressing and non-conformity to either gender not accepted in Church?
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Because the Church is based on patriarchy and tradition. It stems from the days when women were property and men were superior, so for women to assume the role of a man (through dress or power structure) or a men to take the submissive role of a woman, is deemed in violation of that ancient social structure.
But as God says:
Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
But as God says:
Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
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but isn't the churcch supposed to be based on religious I mean much of society
I guess that's I'm not a church person like I used to be...
I guess that's I'm not a church person like I used to be...
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whats really happening is your being decieved, drop your pants look at your genitals and then become what God has made you. He made them male and female......Its not accepted because God doesn't like it! if you really love God you would want to live your life to please Him
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how did you know GOD made me male and female? I never said that. Even though I am. I was born with male parts but resistant to androgen. I have natural curves including breasts development and underweight. I have the technical term called pais.
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Welcome to the forums. I hope you make many new friends and that you have a great time here learning biblical truths for your life.
Were you born a boy and now you like to pretend your a girl? Or vise versa? Is that being true to who you are? No. Now, I have heard many people say that appearing to be the opposite sex feels like being true to one's self, but that simply is not really true. You are who you are and not who you aren't. If I am white, but pretend to be black, I am still white.
Outward appearances don't change who you are on the inside. If God made you a boy, then He wants you to be a boy. If He made you a girl, then He wants you to be a girl. God does not make mistakes, He made you the way you are for a specific purpose.
Sometimes we feel like doing things in ways other than they ought to be done, but we simply cannot act out on every one of our feelings. If we did, we all would be the biggest group of thieves, murderers, tyrants, adulterers, fornicators, liars, malice minded, mean, coniving, deceitful, conspiring, lazy, slothful, gluttonous, rotten people ever. So, we know that cannot act out on every feeling we come across. Many feelings we must put away because they are wrong and have no place in anyone's life, let alone the life of a Christian.
Also, to appear to be a girl if you are a boy (or vise versa) would be to bear false witness. We are commanded against doing that. What if you were a boy who alwayse dressed up like a girl and another boy "fell in love" with who he THOUGHT you were. Say you two decided to "stay pure" until marriage. Then, on the night of the wedding he finds out you are not who you claimed to be. You have caused another individual alot of hurt and wasted time, evergy and investment in a lie of a relationship. If you would respond to that scenario with "well, I wwould just tell him before hand who I was..." I would simply ask you this, "If you have to tell people who you really are, why not live who you really are in the first place?" Lying is not good for anyone, and we are commanded against it by God.
Another thing to consider is an outright command by God concerning deceptive dressing. It is found in Deuteronomy:
I hope this answer helps you find who you really are and the person God wants you to be instead of the lie that this world has sold you.
God bless you as you seek the Him.
In Christ, GB
Were you born a boy and now you like to pretend your a girl? Or vise versa? Is that being true to who you are? No. Now, I have heard many people say that appearing to be the opposite sex feels like being true to one's self, but that simply is not really true. You are who you are and not who you aren't. If I am white, but pretend to be black, I am still white.
Outward appearances don't change who you are on the inside. If God made you a boy, then He wants you to be a boy. If He made you a girl, then He wants you to be a girl. God does not make mistakes, He made you the way you are for a specific purpose.
Sometimes we feel like doing things in ways other than they ought to be done, but we simply cannot act out on every one of our feelings. If we did, we all would be the biggest group of thieves, murderers, tyrants, adulterers, fornicators, liars, malice minded, mean, coniving, deceitful, conspiring, lazy, slothful, gluttonous, rotten people ever. So, we know that cannot act out on every feeling we come across. Many feelings we must put away because they are wrong and have no place in anyone's life, let alone the life of a Christian.
Also, to appear to be a girl if you are a boy (or vise versa) would be to bear false witness. We are commanded against doing that. What if you were a boy who alwayse dressed up like a girl and another boy "fell in love" with who he THOUGHT you were. Say you two decided to "stay pure" until marriage. Then, on the night of the wedding he finds out you are not who you claimed to be. You have caused another individual alot of hurt and wasted time, evergy and investment in a lie of a relationship. If you would respond to that scenario with "well, I wwould just tell him before hand who I was..." I would simply ask you this, "If you have to tell people who you really are, why not live who you really are in the first place?" Lying is not good for anyone, and we are commanded against it by God.
Another thing to consider is an outright command by God concerning deceptive dressing. It is found in Deuteronomy:
Deuteronomy 22:5 "A woman shall not wear a man's garment, nor shall a man put on a woman's cloak, for whoever does these things is an abomination to the LORD your God."
So, besides you being unable to change inside who you really are or the fact that it would be lying to live as someone you are not, there is a command that says it is unacceptable to God.
I hope this answer helps you find who you really are and the person God wants you to be instead of the lie that this world has sold you.
God bless you as you seek the Him.
In Christ, GB
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not in that sense I have an intersex condition called pais. grade 2. Plus doctors operate for whatever gender someone with pais is going to be...
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you think I feel like I'm a girl or a guy when I said already that I don't. I don't feel male or female if I did I'd live like one and at church they'd not mind. I'm not trying to be a guy or a girl because I don't even think the concepts apply to me...
A better example would be if you're mixed and you look black is it ok to look that way. It is since GOD made them that way. Same thing with me.
WHAT?? I don't like guys I would never fall in love with one rarely ever am even friends with one... I actually appear more to be like a lesbian. Because I look like a girl physically and date females. I don't identify as either since well I don't see myself as opposite or the same. Why do people always think crossdressing means they are gay or something ? Really weird...
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Some people just don't like that which is different. Some people will be accepting of how you are in life. Some people won't. You need to be who you feel you are and not try to impress or please everyone, because you will definitely not be pleasing yourself at that point.
Do you really know what purpose that is? You say he doesn't make mistakes, but you must acknowledge that people, as flawed beings as we are, often make mistakes both in action and interpretation of others' intents. How would you know if God created him as a boy to teach acceptance to others? I don't think you would. Just saying.
Do you really know what purpose that is? You say he doesn't make mistakes, but you must acknowledge that people, as flawed beings as we are, often make mistakes both in action and interpretation of others' intents. How would you know if God created him as a boy to teach acceptance to others? I don't think you would. Just saying.
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It's not something I feel I actually have a female body. And I just prefer to dress that way that it makes me look better than drab boy clothes that don't suit the body GOD gave me. I don't identify male or female neither does my sex.
I am not trying to be anything but me and my family happens to call me 'male' pronouns because that's how society is. I just don't get how it has any issue in church. I mean what are male and female clothes to begin with their different in different times cultures styles etc...
I am not trying to be anything but me and my family happens to call me 'male' pronouns because that's how society is. I just don't get how it has any issue in church. I mean what are male and female clothes to begin with their different in different times cultures styles etc...
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On some level, I feel your pain. I hope you gain acceptance for yourself, however you want to look at it.
You won't just have this issue with your church, however, you are going to have it with all of society.
You won't just have this issue with your church, however, you are going to have it with all of society.
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you still haven't answered the question, what sex were you born with, or are you a hermaphrodite
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usually I don't so much. Because people ignore but that it wasn't so successful. I guess it helped me to find a closer connection to GOD not to people
Yea I've considered maybe it's just a bunch of bad apples there. That if I try another church that's more accepting it could help. But I haven't idk why I'm fine I guess how it is now...
GOD does everything for a reason his plan is perfect imo.... And no I wasn't created male. And I accept whatever his plan is for me...
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Please, I meant no offence. It is simply my experience that many who cross dress do it for sexual reasons. You said in your OP (and second post) that you were born a boy with male parts and that your family refers to you as a "he". Thus I would say you are a male. In your first post (the OP), you said that you wear make up and heels and skirts like a girl. Then in the above quote, you refer to yourself as "more like a lesbian" because you go for that feminine look (let's face it, if you didn't want the female appearance you wouldn't go for the heels, skirts, and make up despite what your body might look like) and you date girls. I am sorry if that sounds a bit sexual in nature to me. I am just saying that you were born a male yet you are trying to embrace femininity. You might not have been born the "perfect" male, but you were born a male. You need to deal with who you are, not who you are not. God made you, and loves you, and wants you to be who He intended you to be, not who you think you should be.
In Christ, GB
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I never said I was born a boy... I have male part because that's what doctors gave me. You could have female parts if at birth doctors would have altered you...
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Transphobia is common for nearly all social groups so it isn't surprising that churches would also freak out that someone is wearing the wrong clothes. Churches aren't exactly known for being forward-thinking institutions, so they'll likely hold on to their transphobia long after society has moved beyond it (to whatever degree this happens).
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