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Why is Christianity opposed to the theory of Evolution?

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Is it because it refutes the idea of Adam and Eve, original sin, and coming of Jesus?
Or are there any other reasons?

I'm assuming you're limiting the term 'evolution' to Darwinist evolution instead of including other views, such as micro-evolution and theistic evolution.

The reason I reject the 'how' of Darwinian evolution is because there's absolutely no evidence for the theory. For me personally, it's not about Adam or Eve or original sin or the coming of Jesus, it's based on Darwinism being pseudo-science, a faith-based belief system wrapped in the guise of science.
 
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I'm assuming you're limiting the term 'evolution' to Darwinist evolution instead of including other views, such as micro-evolution and theistic evolution.

The reason I reject the 'how' of Darwinian evolution is because there's absolutely no evidence for the theory. For me personally, it's not about Adam or Eve or original sin or the coming of Jesus, it's based on Darwinism being pseudo-science, a faith-based belief system wrapped in the guise of science.

I find it difficult to understand your stance if it's not because of your religious beliefs. I mean, actual scientists who have been educated to a higher standard than you in biology, paleontology etc, etc, and who work in these fields every day accept and research the evidence. Are they lying, deluded, conspiring to aid satan or what? Why are you so special that as an interested amateur you can tell professionals they're wrong?
 
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I find it difficult to understand your stance if it's not because of your religious beliefs.

You apparently didn't read my post to which you responded. Once again.....

"The reason I reject the 'how' of Darwinian evolution is because there's absolutely no evidence for the theory. For me personally, it's not about Adam or Eve or original sin or the coming of Jesus, it's based on Darwinism being pseudo-science, a faith-based belief system wrapped in the guise of science."​

I mean, actual scientists who have been educated to a higher standard than you in biology, paleontology etc, etc, and who work in these fields every day accept and research the evidence.

You're presenting the fallacious argument of 'appeal to authority'. 'They' said it so it must be true isn't a valid argument without underlying evidence to support the claim being made.

Are they lying, deluded, conspiring to aid satan or what? Why are you so special that as an interested amateur you can tell professionals they're wrong?

The professionals only have guesses and suppositions concerning the 'how' of all life we observe today being the result of only naturalistic mechanisms acting on an alleged single life form of long ago. (Darwinian evolution).
 
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Darwinism Must Die So That Evolution May Live --- By CARL SAFINA

"You care for nothing but shooting, dogs and rat-catching," Robert Darwin told his son, "and you will be a disgrace to yourself and all your family." Yet the feckless boy is everywhere. Charles Darwin gets so much credit, we can’t distinguish evolution from him. Equating evolution with Charles Darwin ignores 150 years of discoveries, including most of what scientists understand about evolution. Such as: Gregor Mendel’s patterns of heredity (which gave Darwin’s idea of natural selection a mechanism — genetics — by which it could work); the discovery of DNA (which gave genetics a mechanism and lets us see evolutionary lineages); developmental biology (which gives DNA a mechanism); studies documenting evolution in nature (which converted the hypothetical to observable fact); evolution’s role in medicine and disease (bringing immediate relevance to the topic); and more. By propounding "Darwinism," even scientists and science writers perpetuate an impression that evolution is about one man, one book, one "theory." The ninth-century Buddhist master Lin Chi said, "If you meet the Buddha on the road, kill him." The point is that making a master teacher into a sacred fetish misses the essence of his teaching. So let us now kill Darwin.

That all life is related by common ancestry, and that populations change form over time, are the broad strokes and fine brushwork of evolution. But Darwin was late to the party. His grandfather, and others, believed new species evolved. Farmers and fanciers continually created new plant and animal varieties by selecting who survived to breed, thus handing Charles Darwin an idea. All Darwin perceived was that selection must work in nature, too. In 1859, Darwin’s perception and evidence became "On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or The Preservation of Favored Races in the Struggle for Life." Few realize he published 8 books before and 10 books after "Origin." He wrote seminal books on orchids, insects, barnacles and corals. He figured out how atolls form, and why they’re tropical. Credit Darwin’s towering genius. No mind ran so freely, so widely or so freshly over the hills and vales of existence. But there’s a limit to how much credit is reasonable. Parking evolution with Charles Darwin overlooks the limits of his time and all subsequent progress.

Science was primitive in Darwin’s day. Ships had no engines. Not until 1842, six years after Darwin’s Beagle voyage, did Richard Owen coin the term "dinosaur." Darwin was an adult before scientists began debating whether germs caused disease and whether physicians should clean their instruments. In 1850s London, John Snow fought cholera unaware that bacteria caused it. Not until 1857 did Johann Carl Fuhlrott and Hermann Schaaffhausen announce that unusual bones from the Neander Valley in Germany were perhaps remains of a very old human race. In 1860 Louis Pasteur performed experiments that eventually disproved "spontaneous generation," the idea that life continually arose from nonliving things. Science has marched on. But evolution can seem uniquely stuck on its founder. We don’t call astronomy Copernicism, nor gravity Newtonism. "Darwinism" implies an ideology adhering to one man’s dictates, like Marxism. And "isms" (capitalism, Catholicism, racism) are not science. "Darwinism" implies that biological scientists "believe in" Darwin’s "theory." It’s as if, since 1860, scientists have just ditto-headed Darwin rather than challenging and testing his ideas, or adding vast new knowledge.

Using phrases like "Darwinian selection" or "Darwinian evolution" implies there must be another kind of evolution at work, a process that can be described with another adjective. For instance, "Newtonian physics" distinguishes the mechanical physics Newton explored from subatomic quantum physics. So "Darwinian evolution" raises a question: What’s the other evolution? Into the breach: intelligent design. I am not quite saying Darwinism gave rise to creationism, though the "isms" imply equivalence. But the term "Darwinian" built a stage upon which "intelligent" could share the spotlight.

Charles Darwin didn’t invent a belief system. He had an idea, not an ideology. The idea spawned a discipline, not disciples. He spent 20-plus years amassing and assessing the evidence and implications of similar, yet differing, creatures separated in time (fossils) or in space (islands). That’s science. That’s why Darwin must go.

Almost everything we understand about evolution came after Darwin, not from him. He knew nothing of heredity or genetics, both crucial to evolution. Evolution wasn’t even Darwin’s idea. Darwin’s grandfather Erasmus believed life evolved from a single ancestor. "Shall we conjecture that one and the same kind of living filaments is and has been the cause of all organic life?" he wrote in "Zoonomia" in 1794. He just couldn’t figure out how. Charles Darwin was after the how. Thinking about farmers’ selective breeding, considering the high mortality of seeds and wild animals, he surmised that natural conditions acted as a filter determining which individuals survived to breed more individuals like themselves. He called this filter "natural selection." What Darwin had to say about evolution basically begins and ends right there. Darwin took the tiniest step beyond common knowledge. Yet because he perceived — correctly — a mechanism by which life diversifies, his insight packed sweeping power.

But he wasn’t alone. Darwin had been incubating his thesis for two decades when Alfred Russel Wallace wrote to him from Southeast Asia, independently outlining the same idea. Fearing a scoop, Darwin’s colleagues arranged a public presentation crediting both men. It was an idea whose time had come, with or without Darwin. Darwin penned the magnum opus. Yet there were weaknesses. Individual variation underpinned the idea, but what created variants? Worse, people thought traits of both parents blended in the offspring, so wouldn’t a successful trait be diluted out of existence in a few generations? Because Darwin and colleagues were ignorant of genes and the mechanics of inheritance, they couldn’t fully understand evolution.

Gregor Mendel, an Austrian monk, discovered that in pea plants inheritance of individual traits followed patterns. Superiors burned his papers posthumously in 1884. Not until Mendel’s rediscovered "genetics" met Darwin’s natural selection in the "modern synthesis" of the 1920s did science take a giant step toward understanding evolutionary mechanics. Rosalind Franklin, James Watson and Francis Crick bestowed the next leap: DNA, the structure and mechanism of variation and inheritance.

Darwin’s intellect, humility ("It is always advisable to perceive clearly our ignorance") and prescience astonish more as scientists clarify, in detail he never imagined, how much he got right. But our understanding of how life works since Darwin won’t swim in the public pool of ideas until we kill the cult of Darwinism. Only when we fully acknowledge the subsequent century and a half of value added can we really appreciate both Darwin’s genius and the fact that evolution is life’s driving force, with or without Darwin.
 
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You apparently didn't read my post to which you responded. Once again.....

Eh, you said your rejection of the TOE is not about Adam and Eve, original sin etc to which I responded "I find it difficult to understand your stance if it's not because of your religious beliefs."

How is that not reading your post?

Secondly, you accused me of presenting a fallacious appeal to authority, you're wrong.

From rationalwiki describing the argument from authority:

A logically valid appeal to authority is based around the following syllogism:

P1: Experts on a subject are usually correct.
P2: Experts on the subject have a consensus that P is correct.
C1: P is probably correct.

In its fallacious form, it could read:

  • Premise 1 - People with qualifications are usually correct.
  • Premise 2 - Those people say P is correct.
  • Conclusion - Therefore P is definitely correct.
This fallacious form fails to take into account the area of expertise, as well as the possibility that those people could be wrong. Experts can be (frequently) wrong but are often in the position to update their views more readily and with better research on their side.

The following form demonstrates a further non-fallacious use of the argument from authority, focusing on why experts might assert something:

  • Premise 1 - P is correct.
  • Premise 2 - Experts will study P.
  • Conclusion - Experts will say P is correct.


"the most basic of "good" arguments appealing to authority are those pertaining to research. When collected data has been organized into a paper by qualified researchers some trust is required in taking either the conclusion or basic data results and organizing them into a coherent argument, even if you dispute their interpretation of the data or methodology. Not everybody has a fully-equipped lab, often very expensive supplies, monitoring equipment, enslaved graduate students and imagination for creating methodology to prove a hypothesis. To a certain degree, trust has to be put in the "authority" and good faith of said researchers, their equipment, their supplies, their staff, their Journal editors, their peer reviewers, and if some problem persists (which it occasionally does), their email server. Those who reject every step of this line of appeal to authority usually end up looking like total idiots. "
 
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evolution’s role in medicine and disease (bringing immediate relevance to the topic); and more.

Quite a lengthy article with several areas of assumptions in Darwinist evolution (as contrasted with theistic evolution or micro-evolution). The sentence above is an example of a claim frequently made in Darwinist evolution which in error. The role Darwinistic evolution in the development of pharmaceuticals for the treatment of disease is negligible at best. Darwinism's claim that humanity, for example, is the produce of only naturalistic mechanisms has absolutely no place in medical research. Only observable, and repeatable, laboratory experiments are necessary for developing new drugs without the guesses and suppositions of Darwinist evolution.
 
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Eh, you said your rejection of the TOE is not about Adam and Eve, original sin etc to which I responded "I find it difficult to understand your stance if it's not because of your religious beliefs."

How is that not reading your post?

Secondly, you accused me of presenting a fallacious appeal to authority, you're wrong.

From rationalwiki describing the argument from authority:

A logically valid appeal to authority is based around the following syllogism:

P1: Experts on a subject are usually correct.
P2: Experts on the subject have a consensus that P is correct.
C1: P is probably correct.

In its fallacious form, it could read:

  • Premise 1 - People with qualifications are usually correct.
  • Premise 2 - Those people say P is correct.
  • Conclusion - Therefore P is definitely correct.
This fallacious form fails to take into account the area of expertise, as well as the possibility that those people could be wrong. Experts can be (frequently) wrong but are often in the position to update their views more readily and with better research on their side.

The following form demonstrates a further non-fallacious use of the argument from authority, focusing on why experts might assert something:

  • Premise 1 - P is correct.
  • Premise 2 - Experts will study P.
  • Conclusion - Experts will say P is correct.


"the most basic of "good" arguments appealing to authority are those pertaining to research. When collected data has been organized into a paper by qualified researchers some trust is required in taking either the conclusion or basic data results and organizing them into a coherent argument, even if you dispute their interpretation of the data or methodology. Not everybody has a fully-equipped lab, often very expensive supplies, monitoring equipment, enslaved graduate students and imagination for creating methodology to prove a hypothesis. To a certain degree, trust has to be put in the "authority" and good faith of said researchers, their equipment, their supplies, their staff, their Journal editors, their peer reviewers, and if some problem persists (which it occasionally does), their email server. Those who reject every step of this line of appeal to authority usually end up looking like total idiots. "

You're claiming 'experts' and 'evidence' without presenting either 'experts' or 'evidence'. You said "I mean, actual scientists who have been educated to a higher standard than you in biology, paleontology etc, etc, and who work in these fields every day accept and research the evidence."

That definitely is a fallacious argument for the reasons stated above.
 
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Is it because it refutes the idea of Adam and Eve, original sin, and coming of Jesus?
Or are there any other reasons?

It is because evolution is the biggest satanic lie ever force taught to our innocent children. The only thing refuted is the False ToE since it's an incomplete untrue false theory of godless people. God Bless you
 
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Is it because it refutes the idea of Adam and Eve, original sin, and coming of Jesus?
Or are there any other reasons?
There is one basic reason, evolution, as believed by those who espouse it as an undeniable fact, is the religion of the atheist who claims God is not just no creator, but a fable. To believe in life stemming from chaos by a series of unguided mutations is to deny the existence of a guiding intelligence (God). The reaction of an evolutionist to the simple truth that a theory by definition is not a law often tells the story.
 
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Evolution is based upon a theory that

Nothing + Time = Everything

And that's just absurdly ridiculous.

Evolution is based upon a theory that everything came from the "simple cell" (which is made up of thousands of interconnected, interdependent working parts, all of which must be there for the whole thing the function), and a study of DNA reveals that it is an incredibly complex information system that puts our best computers today to shame.

Without DNA, no life is possible. But you're going to tell me a bunch of acids somehow glooped together in a soup for several million years and decided to start making information together all on its own? lol.

And somehow, all at once, the "Simple Cell" decided to just start functioning all on its own, even though it requires several thousand parts working in unison to actually function?

You're kidding me, right?

Once you get past all of this, you're going to tell me that some of these simple cells decided to "evolve" towards being plant life, and some of them decided to "evolve" towards being animal life, all on their own, and eventually become a ridiculously complex and diverse ecosystem that is tailored just perfectly so that each and every member of the ecosystem connects with the rest of it so that it is maintained indefinitely?

The only time ecosystems have ever been strained or failed is when Man enters the picture. When we take animals from one part of the world and introduce them to another part of the world that wasn't meant to have those animals, or when we destroy habitats and cause problems for animals, etc, etc.

Otherwise, the ecosystem is designed in such a way that it would be sustained theoretically, for an infinite amount of time if it weren't for Man and his meddling.

You're going to tell me that this all happened just by accident? I don't even think I have to break out a calculator and try to figure the odds out... you'd probably have better luck winning the Powerball 1,000 times in a row.

EDIT: Also, why is it after all of these supposed millions of years... one species. One. Has developed an actual decipherable language? What's stopping other animals from evolving to that point? The 2nd Smartest creature on the planet is widely believed to be the dolphin... but yet we've yet to discover an actual functioning language that would allow a man to communicate with one actively. We've been able to get primates to kinda-sorta understand picture languages, but that only goes so far.

Meanwhile the Bible explains all of this and does so quite simply.
 
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As should be clear from some of the responses in this thread, many Christians who reject evolution are pretty fuzzy about what the theory actually states (or even what a scientific theory is).
 
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As should be clear from some of the responses in this thread, many Christians who reject evolution are pretty fuzzy about what the theory actually states (or even what a scientific theory is).

There's also different kinds of evolution. I'm rejecting the kind that says there was soup which went into simple cells which went into bacteria which went into being fish which crawled up on land, all the way down to apes becoming neanderthals which became men.

Now there's a 2nd kind of evolution -- micro-evolution I think some call it, that say that animals can make small changes in their species over 10 to 100 years or so, like Elephants being born without tusks because of the poachers. You can also see this in selective breeding of dogs, but yet many of the products of this selective breeding produces dogs that are very physically unhealthy.

Now, THAT part I don't disagree with, because the proof is right in front of our eyes. I just don't buy the whole Soup -> Cells -> Fish -> Reptiles -> Mammals -> Apes -> Man hogwash.
 
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There is one basic reason, evolution, as believed by those who espouse it as an undeniable fact, is the religion of the atheist who claims God is not just no creator, but a fable. To believe in life stemming from chaos by a series of unguided mutations is to deny the existence of a guiding intelligence (God). The reaction of an evolutionist to the simple truth that a theory by definition is not a law often tells the story.

There are many, many Christian scientists who accept TOE, I'm sorry, but that's a fact. (in fact one has just posted above me in this thread, thanks sfs)
 
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Evolution is based upon a theory that

Nothing + Time = Everything

And that's just absurdly ridiculous.

Evolution is based upon a theory that everything came from the "simple cell" (which is made up of thousands of interconnected, interdependent working parts, all of which must be there for the whole thing the function), and a study of DNA reveals that it is an incredibly complex information system that puts our best computers today to shame.

Without DNA, no life is possible. But you're going to tell me a bunch of acids somehow glooped together in a soup for several million years and decided to start making information together all on its own? lol.

And somehow, all at once, the "Simple Cell" decided to just start functioning all on its own, even though it requires several thousand parts working in unison to actually function?

You're kidding me, right?

Once you get past all of this, you're going to tell me that some of these simple cells decided to "evolve" towards being plant life, and some of them decided to "evolve" towards being animal life, all on their own, and eventually become a ridiculously complex and diverse ecosystem that is tailored just perfectly so that each and every member of the ecosystem connects with the rest of it so that it is maintained indefinitely?

The only time ecosystems have ever been strained or failed is when Man enters the picture. When we take animals from one part of the world and introduce them to another part of the world that wasn't meant to have those animals, or when we destroy habitats and cause problems for animals, etc, etc.

Otherwise, the ecosystem is designed in such a way that it would be sustained theoretically, for an infinite amount of time if it weren't for Man and his meddling.

You're going to tell me that this all happened just by accident? I don't even think I have to break out a calculator and try to figure the odds out... you'd probably have better luck winning the Powerball 1,000 times in a row.

EDIT: Also, why is it after all of these supposed millions of years... one species. One. Has developed an actual decipherable language? What's stopping other animals from evolving to that point? The 2nd Smartest creature on the planet is widely believed to be the dolphin... but yet we've yet to discover an actual functioning language that would allow a man to communicate with one actively. We've been able to get primates to kinda-sorta understand picture languages, but that only goes so far.

Meanwhile the Bible explains all of this and does so quite simply.

The classic argument from ignorance fallacy.
 
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As should be clear from some of the responses in this thread, many Christians who reject evolution are pretty fuzzy about what the theory actually states (or even what a scientific theory is).

I'm a Christian and I accept and reject evolution.

As far as the 'theory' thing goes, it's simply folks playing 'scientific' word games.
 
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Oh, and for any Christian that says "Evolution is real, Genesis was an allegory"... might I point you to the fact that God Himself said He did it in 6 days in Exodus 31:17 . God Himself told Moses that He made the world in 6 days (which is the whole point of the Sabbath!).

So... what, you're calling God a liar now?

And for anybody who thinks that Moses didn't write the Torah... then you're calling Christ a liar, because Christ tells us that Moses wrote the Torah.
 
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There are many, many Christian scientists who accept TOE, I'm sorry, but that's a fact. (in fact one has just posted above me in this thread, thanks sfs)

No Christian scientist accepts the particular evolutionary view that only naturalistic mechanisms produced all life we observe today from an alleged single life form of long ago. If you have an example, please post it.
 
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No Christian scientist accepts the particular evolutionary view that only naturalistic mechanisms produced all life we observe today from an alleged single life form of long ago. If you have an example, please post it.

And I'd have to say that any Christian who believes that Genesis was an allegory that it really happened over millions of years is also calling God a liar for the reason I posted above.

Which is why I said that Micro-Evolution is the only kind of evolution that could remotely be possible, not the kind that claims that there were billions of years for this stuff to happen.

EDIT: I used to be in that "what if it were millions of years" camp... until Exodus 31:17 was pointed out to me and then I was like 'GAAH! I've been calling God a liar!?' and... well let's just say I don't Dare ever do that anymore.
 
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As should be clear from some of the responses in this thread, many Christians who reject evolution are pretty fuzzy about what the theory actually states (or even what a scientific theory is).
That's fine with me.

A little child should reject evolution.

And if a little child should do it, an adult should be able to do it as well.
 
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