Why is Christ not dead / in Hell

[Der Alte]

Either way, as far as the OP is concerned, can we at least agree that what Jesus went through was sufficient enough? The bible said the LORD was pleased and satisfied -what else could be required beyond that?

Absolutely!

 

[Kenny'sID]

I still don't understand the question, lol.

A no brainer...he was sinless, how does that not keep him from Hell?

 

[EmSw]

Wrong bible. Look again. You will find it. Oh, and pray before you look for it. Having an earnest heart and true desire to find the truth will help tremendously in looking for it..., yourself.

I see, you can't find it either.

 

[EmSw]

He paid a penalty that would have left us permanently physically dead. Before Jesus' death, all the dead remained dead without hope of resurrection.

So, the penalty is not just dying, but dying permanently?

Boy, those OT saints must have been a miserable lot.

 

[EmSw]

And that might matter to someone for whatever reason, and that's fine.

...Why you asked a question you apparently knew the answer to seems odd however.

It was for your benefit.

 

[RDKirk]

So, the penalty is not just dying, but dying permanently?

Boy, those OT saints must have been a miserable lot.

Probably not. It appears they were in comfort.

“The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side.
...
“But Abraham replied, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. -- Luke 16

 

[EmSw]

Jesus did not take all our sins to hell since Jesus did not go to hell. Unless by hell people mean simply the grave.
.....I think many people think this verse is talking about Jesus going to hell.

1 Peter 3:18-20
(18) For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
(19) By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
(20) Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.​

"spirits in prison" does not refer to "hell." "Hell" is never called "prison" in the Bible and "prison" is never called "hell." If Jesus was preaching to dead spirits in hell, how is it that the only people saved were Noah and his family who were not dead in hell but alive on the earth when they were saved?
.....What does prison refer to in 1 Peter 3:19? In Luk 4:18 Jesus, quoting Isaiah 3:22, announces His earthly ministry.

Luke 4:18
(18) The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,​

Jesus' ministry did not include going to hell and preaching. The word translated "captives" literally means "prisoners of war."

I was just responding to someone who said He took all our sins to hell.

 

[Landon Caeli]

Boy, those OT saints must have been a miserable lot.

But very happy when they saw Jesus. The following is an artwork depicting Jesus' rescue of Adam in hades.

 

[EmSw]

Salvation from eternal death lies in faith in Jesus and in nothing else. So, then, Jesus has everything to do with keeping us from eternal death.

Does faith in Jesus believing what He said?

Matthew 19:17
...but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

 

[Kaon]

Men told you which books were inspired; John said there isn't enough to contain what the Redeemer said.
Yet, canonicity has been a driving force in determining His Word - again, books put together by men.
No man has authority over me, and I am entitled to see ALL text and rightly judge what is the truth with my own God given mind and spirit.
Didn't answer my question, did you? Sure anybody can believe anything they want that doesn't make it scripture.
.....The LDS have added a whole book to the Bible and called it scripture. You going to consider those scripture too? God inspired the prophets and disciples to write the scripture and I'm sure He ensured that we have the scripture in the Bible He intended to be in the canon.

Your question assumes the bible canon is ALL of the Truth - and not simply a canonical collection that men have forged, and stipulated as divinely inspired.

The Most High God gave is a spirit of truth - not a canon. You have the ability and charge of dividing truth and judging every spirit - including bad ones.

It is a spiritual disservice to deny other humans the ability to judge for themselves because MEN are playing with information through exploitation of authority.

The New Covenant guarantees His Law is on our hearts. Canonical texts don't matter; the same Pharisee beast stystem is still in effect.

 

[EmSw]

Probably not. It appears they were in comfort.

“The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side.
...
“But Abraham replied, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. -- Luke 16

How was Lazarus comforted if he wasn't resurrected? How was the rich man in agony while in the grave?

 

[EmSw]

But very happy when they saw Jesus. The following is an artwork depicting Jesus' rescue of Adam in hades.

How can someone see another person if they are in the grave, without being resurrected?

 

[Landon Caeli]

How can someone see another person if they are in the grave, without being resurrected?

As a Catholic, I have no idea how a soul can remain "in the grave"... Does the coffin hold it in somehow?

...No, we believe in a place where souls go to purify after death, and prior to Christ's judgement. We call it "purgatory".

 

[Apologetic_Warrior]

But very happy when they saw Jesus. The following is an artwork depicting Jesus' rescue of Adam in hades.

I must confess, I prefer the realism of Renaissance artwork to other periods. Abstract is the worst in my opinion.

 

[Devin P]

Okay, this is one that vexes me.

If the price of sin is either eternal death, or eternal suffering in the lake of fire (depending on which interpretation you go with), and Jesus paid the full price of sin, why then is Jesus not either:

1) eternally dead

2) waiting to go into the lake of fire for all eternity

If the price of sin is either eternal death, or eternal suffering in the lake of fire (as I said, depending on which interpretation you go with), and Jesus paid the FULL price of sin, he should then be in one of those two conditions.



The only reason I can think that he would not be in one of those conditions is if:

a) he did not pay the full price of sin but was let off part of the bill (cue track playing opening chords of O Fortuna)

b) The Father chooses to end the sentence of sin prematurely (which opens the gates to a potential universalism as regards salvation - ie: all end up being saved in the end)

It CANNOT be that Jesus gets a reduced sentence on account of being sinless, as that would mean he does not pay the FULL price of sin.

Thoughts?

I believe it's because (after much research) I've come to the conclusion that there is no hell.

There are three words that the word hell is translated from.

Sheol, Tarterus and Gahenna.

All the different places, and originally none of them meant a place like hell.

The word hades or hell actually come from Egyptian (hades) and Nordic (hel) "gods". hades is the Egyptian ruler of the underworld in the Egyptian pantheon and hel is the ruleress I the Nordic pantheon. They were changed from the original words through translators.

I believe (and I could be wrong) that the eternal punishment we will receive if we decide to refuse God is similar to that of Nadab and Abihu. God is a consuming fire, and without the right standing our Savior provides, we'll be devoured in an instant. I therefore believe that Jesus died (because He was made sin, and for an entirely different reason equally important that I'll not get into right now) and that He truly was punish, but through the fire of God's presence, and given His new body.

I believe the punishment people think of as hell, is instantaneous, not eternal suffering. The eternity spoken of, us the permanence of it. Being forever apart from God, without anyone who is saved remembering you, without chance to come back.

 

[2tim_215]

Why do you think God chose a human sacrifice, which is an abomination to God, to save mankind?

He chose Himself so that no other human would/could ever take the place of all mankind to remit their sins.

 

[mukk_in]

I'm sure that others have quoted this, but the Lord did descend into hell to preach salvation to spirits in prison (1 Peter 3:19). He's done it all, its finished .

 

[Sam91]

How was Lazarus comforted if he wasn't resurrected? How was the rich man in agony while in the grave?

Read the Bible passage?

 

[Sam91]

But the scape goat wasn't crucified. In fact, none of the sacrificial animals were crucified.

You can find it in Leviticus, read it. (16 I think) The scape goat wasn't even killed. At the same time though a sin offering was also made.

And yes, we know that the animals were not crucified.

 

[ladodgers6]

Okay, this is one that vexes me.

If the price of sin is either eternal death, or eternal suffering in the lake of fire (depending on which interpretation you go with), and Jesus paid the full price of sin, why then is Jesus not either:

1) eternally dead

2) waiting to go into the lake of fire for all eternity

If the price of sin is either eternal death, or eternal suffering in the lake of fire (as I said, depending on which interpretation you go with), and Jesus paid the FULL price of sin, he should then be in one of those two conditions.



The only reason I can think that he would not be in one of those conditions is if:

a) he did not pay the full price of sin but was let off part of the bill (cue track playing opening chords of O Fortuna)

b) The Father chooses to end the sentence of sin prematurely (which opens the gates to a potential universalism as regards salvation - ie: all end up being saved in the end)

It CANNOT be that Jesus gets a reduced sentence on account of being sinless, as that would mean he does not pay the FULL price of sin.

Thoughts?

Because Christ fulfilled the broken Covenant of Works (God's Law), with perfect obedience. He was the final sacrifice that was offered to take away the sins of the world. Christ restored us in him by His active/passive obedience and merited a Kingdom and a People. So when Christ fulfilled the Law, that cursed us. And died obedient unto death, and fulfilling His Father's will to save those whom he gave him to save. He bore our sins on the Cross, as a perfect sacrifice without a single blemish of sin, to propitiate God's righteous wrath. But Christ did pay the full penalty of our sins in our place, by taking the full wrath of God upon his head. But there was nothing to hold him in hell, for he was a righteous man, raised for our Justification! He defeated sin, death and Satan at the Cross by the shedding of his blood for His people!