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<InkF>Okay, this is one that vexes me.begin
Either the full price of sin is eternal death/torture or not.
So, the price we have to pay is to be wounded, but He was wounded for us?
This is close to the answer I think the OP is (hopefully) trying to find.The penalty does not entail for Him what it entails for us - because He is so much more than us. A $1000 fine means something very different to pauper than it does to a billionaire.
Who said that the price of sin is "eternal death or eternal suffering in the lake of fire"?Okay, this is one that vexes me.
If the price of sin is either eternal death, or eternal suffering in the lake of fire (depending on which interpretation you go with), and Jesus paid the full price of sin, why then is Jesus not either:
1) eternally dead
2) waiting to go into the lake of fire for all eternity
If the price of sin is either eternal death, or eternal suffering in the lake of fire (as I said, depending on which interpretation you go with), and Jesus paid the FULL price of sin, he should then be in one of those two conditions.
The only reason I can think that he would not be in one of those conditions is if:
a) he did not pay the full price of sin but was let off part of the bill (cue track playing opening chords of O Fortuna)
b) The Father chooses to end the sentence of sin prematurely (which opens the gates to a potential universalism as regards salvation - ie: all end up being saved in the end)
It CANNOT be that Jesus gets a reduced sentence on account of being sinless, as that would mean he does not pay the FULL price of sin.
Thoughts?
Because Jesus took the sins of all mankind to hell. But that did not change the fact that he was sinless as the human Jesus. That is how he was able to take the sins of all mankind to hell and then be resurrected and ascend to the right hand of God.Okay, this is one that vexes me.
If the price of sin is either eternal death, or eternal suffering in the lake of fire (depending on which interpretation you go with), and Jesus paid the full price of sin, why then is Jesus not either:
1) eternally dead
2) waiting to go into the lake of fire for all eternity
If the price of sin is either eternal death, or eternal suffering in the lake of fire (as I said, depending on which interpretation you go with), and Jesus paid the FULL price of sin, he should then be in one of those two conditions.
The only reason I can think that he would not be in one of those conditions is if:
a) he did not pay the full price of sin but was let off part of the bill (cue track playing opening chords of O Fortuna)
b) The Father chooses to end the sentence of sin prematurely (which opens the gates to a potential universalism as regards salvation - ie: all end up being saved in the end)
It CANNOT be that Jesus gets a reduced sentence on account of being sinless, as that would mean he does not pay the FULL price of sin.
Thoughts?
Okay, this is one that vexes me.
If the price of sin is either eternal death, or eternal suffering in the lake of fire (depending on which interpretation you go with), and Jesus paid the full price of sin, why then is Jesus not either:
1) eternally dead
2) waiting to go into the lake of fire for all eternity
If the price of sin is either eternal death, or eternal suffering in the lake of fire (as I said, depending on which interpretation you go with), and Jesus paid the FULL price of sin, he should then be in one of those two conditions.
The only reason I can think that he would not be in one of those conditions is if:
a) he did not pay the full price of sin but was let off part of the bill (cue track playing opening chords of O Fortuna)
b) The Father chooses to end the sentence of sin prematurely (which opens the gates to a potential universalism as regards salvation - ie: all end up being saved in the end)
It CANNOT be that Jesus gets a reduced sentence on account of being sinless, as that would mean he does not pay the FULL price of sin.
Thoughts?
This is all part and parcel, in whole or in part, totally false doctrine and false teaching that originated in babylon over a thousand years ago.Part of what is missing in the canon - Gnostics and/or apocrypha - is that there is even an election of people that will go to hell until they have come to truth, and realized their foolishness.
That may take aeons for some people, but as long as you are part of the Most High God's election from the foundations of the earth, you will (eventually) come out of chaos.
The Redeemer is Perfect as a man, even; He never had to come to truth because He is the Truth. However, as a Son of Man, He had to go to hell since His flesh was cursed.
Everyone that died before the Redeemer went to hell/chaos; it wasn't until the Redeemer actually contacted and awoke people in hell from their ignorance, and consequentially resurrected back to Life that souls that died began going to Judgment instead of chaos.
He paid the full price because as [the Word of] God, He humiliated Himself into human form, died by the hands of His creation, went to the place He prepared for the disobedient "angels". Keep in mind He owns everything ever. He paid more of a price than a human ignorant of their identity will pay in hell.
There are two deaths, the first is temporary, the second is permanent. Paul says those in their graves ¨have fallen asleep¨, they all will awake, they won´t awake if they die a second time.If Jesus paid the penalty of physical dying for us, why do we still die physically?
Part of what is missing in the canon - Gnostics and/or apocrypha - is that there is even an election of people that will go to hell until they have come to truth, and realized their foolishness.
That may take aeons for some people, but as long as you are part of the Most High God's election from the foundations of the earth, you will (eventually) come out of chaos.
The Redeemer is Perfect as a man, even; He never had to come to truth because He is the Truth. However, as a Son of Man, He had to go to hell since His flesh was cursed.
Everyone that died before the Redeemer went to hell/chaos; it wasn't until the Redeemer actually contacted and awoke people in hell from their ignorance, and consequentially resurrected back to Life that souls that died began going to Judgment instead of chaos.
He paid the full price because as [the Word of] God, He humiliated Himself into human form, died by the hands of His creation, went to the place He prepared for the disobedient "angels". Keep in mind He owns everything ever. He paid more of a price than a human ignorant of their identity will pay in hell.
This is all part and parcel, in whole or in part, totally false doctrine and false teaching that originated in babylon over a thousand years ago.
No one is redeemed AFTER they pass from this life, to the grave, period. Yahweh's Word never says otherwise, no never, not ever.
There is NO CHANCE AFTER the death of life and gone to the grave,
to repent and be saved. Anyone who says there is is a liar and a thief.
The price for sin is eternal. If Jesus paid the price he has to do it eternally
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