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He conquered death, which has been said before. Meaning he didn't have to pay the full price.
SO HOW CAN YOU SAY HE PAID THE PRICE WHEN HE DID NOT?
No, that doesn't work.
The price is the price. You don't get to reduce it and then claim you are paying it.
The price for sin is eternal. If Jesus paid the price he has to do it eternally, or he hasn't actually paid the price at all.
No, that doesn't work.
The price is the price. You don't get to reduce it and then claim you are paying it.
The full price of sin is either endless death or endless torture (that being the price WE pay).
To conquer something is not to reduce it. It's to overcome it.
What answer would you like, exactly?
GOOD !No, that doesn't work.
The price is the price. You don't get to reduce it and then claim you are paying it.
The price for sin is eternal. If Jesus paid the price he has to do it eternally, or he hasn't actually paid the price at all.
You're making the assumption that eternal death means physically dead forever. That is not so. Eternal death is separation from GOD forever while alive.
It doesn't matter that he conquered death.
The price of sin is ETERNAL death / torture. That is the price people will still pay. If Jesus did not pay it he did not pay the price of sin - he paid only part of the price.....unless God intends to reduce the price for everyone (ie: Universalism).
I'd like people to address the question rather than try to change it in some way.
GOOD !
It seems you are steadily seeking for the truthful answer.
Is that right ?
GOOD !
It seems you are steadily seeking for the truthful answer.
Is that right ?
We're all trying to answer your question, we're not changing it. You just won't accept whatever anyone has to say.
If the price is eternal death and Jesus CONQUERED DEATH then we don't have to suffer eternal death as the price for sin.
Jesus did NOT pay that price.
No, that does not work. The price is the price. You don't get to change it
First, death, the act of dying, is the penalty for sin. Any person deemed righteous by faith, is resurrected to eternal life.Okay, this is one that vexes me.
If the price of sin is either eternal death, or eternal suffering in the lake of fire (depending on which interpretation you go with), and Jesus paid the full price of sin, why then is Jesus not either:
1) eternally dead
2) waiting to go into the lake of fire for all eternity
If the price of sin is either eternal death, or eternal suffering in the lake of fire (as I said, depending on which interpretation you go with), and Jesus paid the FULL price of sin, he should then be in one of those two conditions.
The only reason I can think that he would not be in one of those conditions is if:
a) he did not pay the full price of sin but was let off part of the bill (cue track playing opening chords of O Fortuna)
b) The Father chooses to end the sentence of sin prematurely (which opens the gates to a potential universalism as regards salvation - ie: all end up being saved in the end)
It CANNOT be that Jesus gets a reduced sentence on account of being sinless, as that would mean he does not pay the FULL price of sin.
Thoughts?
The full price of sin that we inherit from Adam is physical death. But we don't fear those who can only kill the body. What we fear is death of body and soul--the eternal second death. The eternal second death is the fate of those who will not have faith in Christ.
You are arguing that Jesus must suffer the eternal second death, but that was never case.
First, death, the act of dying, is the penalty for sin. Any person deemed righteous by faith, is resurrected to eternal life.
Christ WAS righteous, not positionally viewed as righteous, and he died and was resurrected. He payed the penalty for all, death. Through his death and resurrection to life, we may suffer the first temporary death but are saved from the eternal one.
Those not saved by faith in Christś taking the sins of the world on himself and dying for them, thus ensuring victory over death in any form, will die forever.
Do you agree that Yahweh (God) is uncreated, eternally self-existent (to use pitiful human english words trying to describe the in-describable great and wonderful and unmeasurable almighty CREATOR ! ) .....I'd like to think so.
What us your answer to my question?
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