Why is a bat a bird?

[Jase]

I thought bats could crawl though?

Leviticus differentiates birds/fowl (in which it includes bats) from insects. Creeping upon all fours referred to flying insects like locusts. Bats were classified as fowl/bird.

 

[Fireinfolding]

Leviticus differentiates birds/fowl (in which it includes bats) from insects. Creeping upon all fours referred to flying insects like locusts. Bats were classified as fowl/bird.

Like here, fowl/birds which creep on all four?

Lev 11:20 All fowls that creep, going upon all four, shall be an abomination unto you.

 

[Thekla]

Bats are biologically unrelated to birds. So to claim they are birds through any taxonomic system, would make as much sense as calling a tiger a bird.

I don't get why it's so difficult to just accept, without the aid of modern science, to an ancient culture, bats were flying things just like birds, therefore they assumed them to be the same type of creature.

It's wrong, but who cares? What on earth does that change about God's revelation?

Taksis = order, rank

Onoma = name

Nomos = rule, law

(not sure which the etymology is - from onoma or nomos)

Taxonomy needn't be arranged by our own preconceptions to be valid; that's the point.

The Scriptures seem to reflect an ordering system similar to Aristotle; it just reflects a different criteria.

(Taxonomy by environ is more practical for people, but is one of many ways to arrange things - just depends on the purpose of the ordering system.)

 

[Fireinfolding]

I understand under water life is classified by fins or without fins, but fowl (or birds) dont seem to be classified by feathers but by flying and creeping and going on all fours, where most birds I know of fly and go on two (if they must) where bats fly and go on all four

 

[Thekla]

I've never had the experience of seeing a mobile non flying bat

Must be cool !

 

[Fireinfolding]

Thus a fowl that goeth upon all four

Do you know any fowls (that fly) that go on all four?

It would just strike me that there was a fowl that goes on four, can someone name some?

Im interested

 

[Rose_bud]

Lev11:20 All the winged insects that walk on all fours are detestable to you... Its only KJV that says fowls...

 

[Lion King]

Lev11:20 All the winged insects that walk on all fours are detestable to you... Its only KJV that says fowls...

New International Version (©1984)
"'All flying insects that walk on all fours are to be detestable to you.

New Living Translation (©2007)
"You must not eat winged insects that walk along the ground; they are detestable to you.

English Standard Version (©2001)
“All winged insects that go on all fours are detestable to you.

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
All the winged insects that walk on all fours are detestable to you.

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
All fowls that creep, going upon all four, shall be an abomination unto you.

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
"Every swarming, winged insect that walks across the ground like a four-legged animal is disgusting to you.

King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
All winged insects that creep, going upon all fours, shall be an abomination unto you.

American King James Version
All fowls that creep, going on all four, shall be an abomination to you.

American Standard Version
All winged creeping things that go upon all fours are an abomination unto you.

Douay-Rheims Bible
Of things that fly, whatsoever goeth upon four feet, shall be abominable to you.

Darby Bible Translation
Every winged crawling thing that goeth upon all four shall be an abomination unto you.

English Revised Version
All winged creeping things that go upon all four are an abomination unto you.

Webster's Bible Translation
All fowls that creep, going upon all four, shall be an abomination to you.

World English Bible
"'All flying insects that walk on all fours are an abomination to you.

Young's Literal Translation
Every teeming creature which is flying, which is going on four -- an abomination it is to you.

 

[Rose_bud]

So what now... Fowls as in bird... or winged insects

 

[Fireinfolding]

Lev11:20 All the winged insects that walk on all fours are detestable to you... Its only KJV that says fowls...

Could be, because thats what I am reading from

Here is every one pulled up by number there

Blue Letter Bible - Lexicon

Then I thougth, let me run #702 where the word four is and even though the number is marked in the verse when I pull them all up it doesnt come up for Leviticus, werid

 

[Lion King]

So what now... Fowls as in bird... or winged insects

I dunno..you could go with this, as said by another poster earlier.

The Hebrew word that is translated as "fowl" is "owph" and literally means "winged".

Blue Letter Bible - Lexicon

owph

Pronunciation

ōfe (Key)

Part of Speech

masculine noun

Root Word (Etymology)

From עוּף (H5774)

TWOT Reference 1582a

Outline of Biblical Usage

1) flying creatures, fowl, insects, birds
a) fowl, birds
b) winged insects

Authorized Version (KJV) Translation Count — Total: 71
AV — fowl 59, bird 9, flying 2, flieth 1

Gesenius's Lexicon (Help)

prop. a wing (see the root No. 1) hence collect. birds, fowl

 

[Rose_bud]

True.. But I'm not too sure about it being four, cos if I remember my biology(way back then), insects have six legs??

 

[Fireinfolding]

New International Version (©1984)
"'All flying insects that walk on all fours are to be detestable to you.

New Living Translation (©2007)
"You must not eat winged insects that walk along the ground; they are detestable to you.

English Standard Version (©2001)
“All winged insects that go on all fours are detestable to you.

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
All the winged insects that walk on all fours are detestable to you.

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
All fowls that creep, going upon all four, shall be an abomination unto you.

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
"Every swarming, winged insect that walks across the ground like a four-legged animal is disgusting to you.

King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
All winged insects that creep, going upon all fours, shall be an abomination unto you.

American King James Version
All fowls that creep, going on all four, shall be an abomination to you.

American Standard Version
All winged creeping things that go upon all fours are an abomination unto you.

Douay-Rheims Bible
Of things that fly, whatsoever goeth upon four feet, shall be abominable to you.

Darby Bible Translation
Every winged crawling thing that goeth upon all four shall be an abomination unto you.

English Revised Version
All winged creeping things that go upon all four are an abomination unto you.

Webster's Bible Translation
All fowls that creep, going upon all four, shall be an abomination to you.

World English Bible
"'All flying insects that walk on all fours are an abomination to you.

Young's Literal Translation
Every teeming creature which is flying, which is going on four -- an abomination it is to you.

Ok so you show around 5 there the rest no, why on earth cant we get it from the number?

Then you look and theres "creeping things of the earth" and "creeping things" of the sea, "creeping things" that flieth and fowls that flieth and creep ...

Man... I must be bored to be looking at this

 

[Fireinfolding]

Well, its between this or Marys sexlife, I'll keep going with bats here

 

[Rose_bud]

Well, its between this or Marys sexlife, I'll keep going with bats here

 

[Fireinfolding]

Heres something interesting, speaks of waters bring forth what appears to be the fowl then speaks of out of the ground the forming of the fowl, am I catching this correctly?

Gen 1:20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.

Gen 1:2 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

Gen 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that [was] the name thereof.

Theres the problem, Whatever Adam called them that was his name, so God cant be blamed for the bat thing

 

[Fireinfolding]

Ok, I think I just got God off the hook, seeing He specifically says He gave Adam the whole responsibility of naming the creatures

 

[Rose_bud]

Theres the problem, Whatever Adam called them that was his name, so God cant be blamed for the bat thing

:o if he got the bat thing wrong, Id hate to imagine what else he could have gotten wrong

 

[Rose_bud]

Ok, I think I just got God off the hook, seeing He specifically says He gave Adam the whole responsibility of naming the creatures

 

[Fireinfolding]

:o if he got the bat thing wrong, Id hate to imagine what else he could have gotten wrong

Yeah, I just think its cute God brought them to Adam to see what he would call them and "whatever" Adam named them "that" was the name thereof. Sorta adorable if you ask me, "here son, look what I made, now what would you call this thing over here"?

I'll work around ya lol

I can hear second Adam naming the upright beasts, "ye snakes ye brood of vipers"!

Seems to be a patern lol