Why I'm Orthodox . . . and why others may want to be too.

[GraceInHim]

I LOVE snickerdoodles. I think the Betty Crocker recipe is the best.

my favorite also - love them I will try the Betty Crocker, see I learned something new today at cf...

 

[CaDan]

Sorry for the lame party, everyone.

Come over for my nameday celebration January 1, it will be much more festive.

Basil

Is that old calendar or new?

 

[JimfromOhio]

Sorry for the lame party, everyone.

Come over for my nameday celebration January 1, it will be much more festive.

Basil

Bummer... I am already having a party on the 1st.

 

[Benedicta00]

Vanshan, we, as Catholics, do not prove our Catholicity at the expense of others as you've attempted to do in this thread.

We prove our Catholicity by the our Church carrying with it, the 4 marks of the Church. It is One, Holy, Catholic, and Aposotlic. This is a unique quality of our Church and we believe it stands on its own merits without needing to start threads pointing at the insufficiency of anyone elses church.
Thanks but not thanks, we don't work that way.

 

[Loukuss]

Lucas, I would love to hear your opinion! - please say something of substance and I promise I'll read it. The comments i'm referring to are the ones I quoted earlier, where you are simply taking drive-by jibes at people, and offering nothing to the thread whatsoever but chaos.

Drive by's? Chaos? Are we in Compton? Are you calling me a thug? Is that rootbeer I see over there? *takes a big sip*
Basil's a good host.

ps. Geo, I wish I could say the same about your opinions. Sadly I cannot. But to each their own, or something like that.

 

[Benedicta00]

Basil . .what would it take for God to violate His Own Laws?


A Covnenant is NOT a mere Contract . . .

A CONTRACT can be broken it is a legal issue .. it is an exchange of GOODS . .. .


a COVENANT CANNOT be broken . . . It ONLY ENDS WITH THE DEATH of one of the members. . .


A COVENANT is an exchange of PERSONS . .. It is LIFELONG!


God cannot dissolve a COVENANT without VIOLATING HIS OWN Laws!


Now tell me . . . Does God VIOLATE His Own Laws Basil?


Your treatment of marriage is as if it is a contract that can be broken. . . .

That means that instead of Marriage being an EXCHANGE OF PERSONS, it is merely an exchange of GOODS! . . .

That makes the man and wife and what they offer each other just so much "Goods" .


This is a degredation of what MARRIAGE JOINED BY GOD is . . .

This may be all it is in the secular world .. . but it is not ALL it is in GOD'S Eyes!


A COVENANT is LIFE long and can ONLY be dissolved on the death of one of the members.


Now, Jesus said that the only reason that a divorce could be granted is in the case of fornication . . .


BUT, there is something very interesting in what Jesus said that is not apparent in the English divorced by time and space from the culture it was said in . . .


In Ancient Israel, the Betrothal began the marriage . . .

If, during the time of the Betrothal, BEFORE the actualy marriage ceremony and consumation, the bride was to have sexula relations with another man, then the husband (husband to be) could put her away by divorce.

This ONLY applied to the prenuptual time period . . . .


Now, this has great application for us as Chrsitians apart from the immediate topic at hand .. .


Our entrance into the NEW Covenant is like the betrothal . . . . this is the time period we are in in our relationship with Christ in this life on earth.


IF we are unfaithful to our spouse, Christ our Lord, if we turn away from Him in this life wihtout being reconciled, then we can be "put away" given a "divorce" . . . that would mean we don't go to the marriage supper of the Lamb in heaven.

Our betrothal to Christ would not be consummated with perfect union with Him in Heaven.


Just as a bride betrothed, who is faithful to her husband will be joined fully to her husband in marriage and the marriage consumated, so will our betrothal to Christ . . . .

Just as we can be "divorced" before this consumation of our betrothal to Christ for our unfaithfulness, for our turning our back on our convenant with Him, so can a bride who is betrothed when found unfaithful to her convanental vows before consumation.


This is what Jesus was speaking of regarding being able to divorce one's "wife" . . this is speaking to what happens during the betrothal period . . no more than that.


Marriage, when GOD has joined two together, CANNOT be put assunder by man. God makes no provision for Him violating His Own Laws to do it Himself either . . .


When God speaks of divorcing Israel in the Old Testament, keep in mind it is the betrothal period as well . . . .



Peace to all

I already said Death dissolve it but it went unnoticed I guess.

 

[thereselittleflower]

Thank God, He can do better than that. He can show mercy in some circumstances.

Basil

Basil, if the Catholic Church was not interested in showing mercy, then we would simply say one marriage, that's it .. no second chances no matter how or where the marriage was entered into.

But that is not what the Catholic Church does Basil . .


The Catholic Church does Her uptmost to help people resolve their marital issues in cases of civil divorce because the Church is compassionate and if a person can safely be remarried withou risk of entering into an adulterous relationship, then She wants to help them do this for it is for their good.


But She will not compromise the TRUTH and endanger one's spiritual well being in order to give in to misplaced desires to be compasionate, any more than the Doctor in my illustration will give into misplaced desires to show compassion by giving into the desires of the patient to keep the leg.


There isi a difference between human comapssion which can be faulty, and True Compassion which is based on God's Truth and Laws.


Peace to all

 

[JimfromOhio]

I think "Peace to all" lost its meaning in this thread. Don't you think?

 

[thereselittleflower]

I already said Death dissolve it but it went unnoticed I guess.

I know. ..

The idea that forgivenss dissolves a covenant is very bizarre . ..

The idea that a COVENANT needs forgiving like sin needs forgiving, or that a sacrament needs forgiving like sin needs forgiving is even more bizarre.



Peace to all

 

[geocajun]

Drive by's? Chaos? Are we in Compton? Are you calling me a thug? Is that rootbeer I see over there? *takes a big sip*
Basil's a good host.

ps. Geo, I wish I could say the same about your opinions. Sadly I cannot. But to each their own, or something like that.

I got the idea when you called me a fool earlier. Thanks for that by the way, God bless you!

 

[GraceInHim]

I think "Peace to all" lost its meaning in this thread. Don't you think?

best words I heard all day - oh and can I have a cookie?

 

[JimfromOhio]

Less than 250 posts remaining before we reach 1,000 th post. You think we will reach 1,000th tonight?

 

[CaDan]

I think "Peace to all" lost its meaning in this thread. Don't you think?

And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night. And, lo, the angel of the Lord came upon them, and the glory of the Lord shone round about them: and they were sore afraid. And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people. For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord. And this shall be a sign unto you; Ye shall find the babe wrapped in swaddling clothes, lying in a manger.

And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God, and saying,

[size=+2]Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men[/size]​

That's what Christmas is all about, Charlie Brown.

More cookies?

 

[JimfromOhio]

And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night. And, lo, the angel of the Lord came upon them, and the glory of the Lord shone round about them: and they were sore afraid. And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people. For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.

And this shall be a sign unto you; Ye shall find the babe wrapped in swaddling clothes, lying in a manger. And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God, and saying, [size=+1]Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men[/size]

That's what Christmas is all about, Charlie Brown.

More cookies?​

I love Charlie Brown !!

want some Chocolate Chip cookies?​

 

[JimfromOhio]

best words I heard all day - oh and can I have a cookie?

passing chocolate chip cookies to Grace !!

 

[thereselittleflower]

Jim, they've apologized for the sex abuse scandal, but let's just hope the spirit in the church which allows such acts has changed.

Basil

So now, in addition to the attacks made on Our Church in the OP and other posts by EO here in this thread, we ad to it the sex abuse scandal . . . .

Well, just because ours is in the news and yours isn't (and yes it is in the Orthodox Church the rest of Christendom) doesn't give anyone the right to cast stones.

People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones as the saying goes.


Basil, your OP had nothing to do with this topic . . . so may I recommend that you and others leave it be and that we focus on the issues you presented to us in this thread and has been repeated several times . .

Namely, that your Church is the only Church which hasn't changed its doctrines. . . .

We are discussing the EO doctrine on divorce and remarrriage as a prime example of how this claim of unchanging doctrines is false . . .

Let's keep this on topic. .. OK?



Peace to all

 

[JimfromOhio]

So now, in addition to the attacks made on Our Church in the OP and other posts by EO here in this thread, we ad to it the sex abuse scandal . . . .

Well, just because ours is in the news and yours isn't (and yes it is in the Orthodox Church the rest of Christendom) doesn't give anyone the right to cast stones.

People who live in glass houses should throw stones as the saying goes.


Basil, your OP had nothing to do with this topic . . . so may I recommend that you and others leave it be and that we focus on the issues you presented to us in this thread and has been repeated several times . .

Namely, that your Church is the only Church which hasn't changed its doctrines. . . .

We are discussing the EO doctrine on divorce and remarrriage as a prime example of how this claim of unchanging doctrines is false . . .

Let's keep this on topic. .. OK?



Peace to all

That topic was about 30 or 40 posts ago. Its been dropped

 

[CaDan]

Sure, I'll have another. It's the holidays.

 

[JimfromOhio]

Sure, I'll have another. It's the holidays.

Yep.... I can smell baked cookies !! yummy !!!

Passing the cookies to the posters !!!

 

[Joykins]

Aren't you the host?

I'm wonderin'. Are there gonna be snacks served at this party?

I like snacks.

You have reminded me of the real #1 reason to be Orthodox:

Baklava

• ½ cup of white sugar
• ½ cup of water
• 4 tablespoons of runny honey
• ½ cup of freshly squeezed lemon juice

• 9 oz chopped walnuts
• 2 teaspoons of cinnamon
• ¼ cup of white sugar

• 12 sheets of filo pastry
• 4 oz of butter, melted

Sugar Syrup

Add the sugar, honey, lemon juice and water to a saucepan over a gentle heat. Once the sugar has dissolved, momentarily bring to the boil. Lower the heat and simmer for 10 minutes. Remove from the heat and set aside to cool.

Filling

In a small bowl mix together the chopped walnuts, cinnamon and sugar for the filling.

Assembly

Preheat the oven to 350°F. Grease a shallow baking tin approximately 12 inch x 8 inch x 2inch with a little of the melted butter. Cut the sheets of filo in half vertically (longest edge nearest you). Stack the pastry and keep it covered with a slightly damp cloth. Generously butter each pastry sheet and layer 8 sheets of pastry on the bottom of the tin. Spread half the filling over the pastry evenly, then butter and stack another 8 sheets of filo. Put the filo on top and spread on the rest of the filling. Butter and stack the last 8 sheets of filo and put these on top. Brush generously with the remaining butter. Using a sharp knife cut the baklava into 20 small diamonds. Place in the oven and bake for 30 minutes. Lower the heat to 300°F and bake for a further 30 minutes.

Remove from the oven and cool for a few minutes. Pour the cold syrup over the pastry and leave until completely cold. Gently cut through the pastry again with a sharp knife and carefully lift each diamond out onto a serving platter. Serve the Baklava with strong black coffee.

Baklava will keep well for several days in a container, stored in the refrigerator. Makes 20