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I agree 100%. God's intention was no divisions. That, however, would require following God's word by all, therefore there's no input from man regarding doctrine. When man decided it was up to him to not only interpret doctrine but create it also, unity was sacrificed by them. No psuedo Pope or regional bishop or high priest (other than the owner, Christ) is in authority to make any calls regarding His church.
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One of the same reasons that the Greeks split from the Jewish sect of Messiah.
Can you show me an example of even a few Christians agreeing on doctrine or biblical interpretation, for more than a few minutes, without any kind of teacher or pastor?
That's simply oversimplification, and ignores the role that mainsteram Judaism had in persecuting the Church. It also ignores that Christianity did preserve Jewish religious forms. The traditional liturgy is based directly off synagogue worship, and some forms of Christianity preserved elements of Judaism as well. Even some of the clothing that pastors/priests wear, such as the stole, or the miter that a bishop wears, comes from Judaism.
If the Apostles considered the Hebrew context of the New Testament Scriptures essential, they not not have written them in Greek, in largely Gentile terms.
I didn't mention John Michael Talbot because he has become more contemplative and I had heard he had stopped touring. But I just checked and he is touring again. Wonderful. We have several of his CDs.
I had never heard that Phil Keaggy was Catholic. In a brief search I could not substantiate it either. Can you provide any evidence? I know he once attended a church called 'Love Inn'. I found one reference that he grew up in a Catholic family of ten children. So it looks like he may have started Catholic but I see no evidence that he is Catholic now. Still, great music that has influenced me, mostly back in the 1970's and 1980's.
Rich Mullins, the writer of 'Awesome God' and other great even awesome music, was going to officially enter the Catholic Church but died in a car accident just days before. Rich Mullins, Asymptotic Catholic | Patrick C. Beeman
Listening to that 2nd one now -- nice! :=)
God's word is more than the Bible, friend. The word of God shows that the Pope is the head of the Church on Earth, the Vicar of Christ. How could each individual congregation be autonomous when they went to such great pains to teach and believe the one true faith? Christ has all authority, true, but just because you delegate authority doesn't mean you're not still the authority. That means that the delegate must look to Christ to know the Truth.If what you are wanting to do is follow Jesus as closely as possible, all you need for that is God's word. Study God's word and compare what you see. The New Testament church had one head, Christ, no pope, no regional bishops, dioceses or anything of the sort. Each individual congregation was completely autonomous in nature and responsible for it's own spiritual health, Christ being the head and mediator. Look at the hierarchy of the New Testament church. Christ has ALL authority. Not some and some delegated elsewhere. God knowing the nature of man, Adam, the Israelites and all the rebellion over thousands of years; you honestly think God is going to require the life of His only begotten son and turn right around and give total power of the church over to man? Not a chance! Not to mention Peter told the church to not let our liberty to become a cloke of maliciousness; indulgences is the exact epitome of maliciousness!! God's word is the blueprint for the church, not some man.
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God's word is more than the Bible, friend. The word of God shows that the Pope is the head of the Church on Earth, the Vicar of Christ. How could each individual congregation be autonomous when they went to such great pains to teach and believe the one true faith? Christ has all authority, true, but just because you delegate authority doesn't mean you're not still the authority. That means that the delegate must look to Christ to know the Truth.
Thanks for the info. Keaggy is still alive and has an active website, so I would have expected something there one way or another, but really nothing. Duck-Duck-Go found someone who speculated about it based on a newer song of his that quoted a Saint. Also someone heard from a religion teacher that he was coming back to the Catholic Church. But that was third hand. He did a concert in a Catholic church in Ohio in 2012. So who knows. Rich Mullins, by comparison, his plans were almost certain when he died a few days before his scheduled reception.There was a book Keaggy's wife had written in the 90s regarding their struggles to have a child. I thought it had said that they were Catholic then (this would have been after Love Inn), but it's possible she may have been talking about their religious background.
Yes, that is the tradition, but whether it was or it wasn't, it was the only book of the New Testament that was every even claimed to have been originally written in Hebrew.*"The Hebrew Gospel hypothesis (or proto-Gospel hypothesis or Aramaic Matthew hypothesis) is a group of theories based on the proposition that a lost gospel in Hebrew or Aramaic lies behind the four canonical gospels. It is based upon an early Christian tradition, deriving from the 2nd-century bishop Papias of Hierapolis, that the apostle Matthew composed such a gospel. ...
There's no evidence of that, either in surviving Hebrew or Aramaic texts or fragments or early sources referring to Hebrew versions of the texts.Personally, I believe that all the books in the Bible were written in Hebrew/Aramaic early on, but have been lost/destroyed during the persecutions and dispersion of the early followers of Messiah.
Even if Hebrew texts once existed, how do you "go back" to or "revive" lost texts?Either way, we now have the tools to go back to the Hebrew, as it is unique in that it has been revived (resurrected)...we can read it all in Hebrew ("You know, the people that wrote the Bible"), with a Hebrew perspective, which is pretty fitting, all things considered...
If you have God inspired writings where He endorsed a "pope", simply produce it. It never happened. God's word being more than the Bible is opinion at best; God never contradicts Himself. The man made papal office is part of the falling away Paul warned the New Testament church of in 2nd Thessalonians. If God endorsed a "pope" indulgences would have never been taught as doctrine and that, my friend, is only the tip of the iceberg. The falling away occured and the church has yet to repent of such.God's word is more than the Bible, friend. The word of God shows that the Pope is the head of the Church on Earth, the Vicar of Christ. How could each individual congregation be autonomous when they went to such great pains to teach and believe the one true faith? Christ has all authority, true, but just because you delegate authority doesn't mean you're not still the authority. That means that the delegate must look to Christ to know the Truth.
I thought the four fingered one only did instrumentals. That should give you an idea how long it is since I've listened to any contemporary Christian music.Thanks for the info. Keaggy is still alive and has an active website, so I would have expected something there one way or another, but really nothing. Duck-Duck-Go found someone who speculated about it based on a newer song of his that quoted a Saint. Also someone heard from a religion teacher that he was coming back to the Catholic Church. But that was third hand. He did a concert in a Catholic church in Ohio in 2012. So who knows. Rich Mullins, by comparison, his plans were almost certain when he died a few days before his scheduled reception.
It's nice, but if I'm going to go that direction, I think I'd much prefer something like this:
It's nice, but if I'm going to go that direction, I think I'd much prefer something like this:
Yes, that is the tradition, but whether it was or it wasn't, it was the only book of the New Testament that was every even claimed to have been originally written in Hebrew.
There's no evidence of that, either in surviving Hebrew or Aramaic texts or fragments or early sources referring to Hebrew versions of the texts.
New evidence indicates that the Gospel of Matthew was an original Hebrew composition. Indeed, it is now possible to recover much of this original Hebrew composition from an extant manuscript.
It appears, in fact, that the New Testament writers intentionally chose Greek, perhaps in an effort to reach a wider audience.
Even if Hebrew texts once existed, how do you "go back" to or "revive" lost texts?
I know that people have written "Hebrew New Testaments" -- in which they essentially paraphrase the New Testament, interpolating Hebrew words and terms where they think appropriate. But it's just that, a paraphrase. It's not the actual text of the Bible in Hebrew, it's somebody offering a Hebrew interpretation of the Bible.
This is, in part, what many of us on here would say about trusting and living out what our Churches have always taught, and done.
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