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Why I think gay marriage is a sham...

Khameo

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Or homosexual men are even bigger liars than heterosexual men ^_^

Five dimensions though? Length, girth then um....
Penises are measured in 5 dimensions.
Length, width, height, time, and zlorb.

stan1980 said:
This might not be the time, nor quite frankly the place to ask, but is it advantageous in the gay community to have a smaller penis? If I was ever to even entertain the idea of anal sex, I think I'd prefer someone smaller if I'm being honest.
I shall respond to your question with a question.
Is it advantageous in the straight community to have a smaller penis?
 
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Penises are measured in 5 dimensions.
Length, width, height, time, and zlorb.

hehe

I shall respond to your question with a question.
Is it advantageous in the straight community to have a smaller penis?

No, but then the vagina is very stretchy in comparison.
 
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I was talking to a couple that had been together for 12 years. They said that because there is common law in Canada, they don't want to marry, because that is something that heterosexuals do. I also work with a woman who is married to a woman.

However, I understand why gay people are sometimes reluctant to marry. Someone will claim that gay relationships are all about sex and that gay people are promiscuous. Then, when gay people want to get married (showing that they aren't promiscuous, nor is it simply about sex), they say that gay marriage is a sham, because it isn't between a man and a woman. There are those that expect a gay couple to get married as a straight couple would, to normalize the gay couple.

My understanding of marriage is that it is a commitment of two adults who are in love with each other, support each other in good times and bad, honor and cherish each other, love and respect each other, encourage each other, listen to one another, and sometimes sacrifice their own wishes and desires for the other person.

When I hear "Marriage is only between a man and a woman", that, to me, sounds like marriage is only about sex. When someone claims that only heterosexuals can have children, then it seems to only be about procreation. It's a very simplistic way of looking at marriage.

A friend of mine said that he didn't think that it should be allowed in the States because he thought that gay people would get divorced, this, coming from a man who was divorced himself, and a divorce rate of 50%. With that kind of thinking, why not outlaw all marriage?

Heterosexual weddings are a whole other thing. People spend thousands of dollars on the one day, people say that it is the "bride's day", when it isn't - it is the couple's day. More often than not, the wedding becomes about the pageantry, and not about the union at all.

I question if heterosexuals really have the right to tell homosexuals whether they can or can't marry, when they themselves seem to be undermining marriage with their own divorces. The ridiculous and simplistic reasons against it will only show the hardness of hearts when people look back on this time, the same way that people look back on pictures of Whites Only drinking fountains, or signs that read, "No Blacks, No Jews, No Dogs"

As for me, I will make my own decisions. When half say that you need to get married to be normal like them, and the other half is saying that even if you are married, it isn't really a marriage, they don't really offer any choice but to stop listening to the diatribes of fools who don't know what they are talking about.
 
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Very thoughtful words, Beanieboy - thanks!

In my view, those of us who have lived faithfully together for any length of time and with love and commitment to this relationship, are already married. (The same is true for all such relationships) The couple marries each other.

The state can officially recognize that relationship.
The Church can officially solemnize/bless that relationship.

But the marrying is done by the couple at least. (For many of us, it's the couple and God.)

The whole sex argument fails on the simplest of levels. Sex can be had by anyone at any time. One does not need marriage to have sex.

The "recipe" that so many are fond of quoting (one man + one woman) is certainly one way to marry, but it's not the only one. I know, because I am a living example.
 
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wanderingone

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Lets get rid of people who want to mess with the meaning of marriage. If someone came along wanting call homosexuals men with small weiners they'd be laughed out of town but suddenly someone wants to change the meaning of marriage and we better take them seriously or else?

Since the anti gay crowd is obsessed with sex already it really doesn't surprise me to hear that you contemplate the size of the penises of homosexual men.. and gotta love a grown up who can't say penis and wants to be taken seriously ever.
 
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This might not be the time, nor quite frankly the place to ask, but is it advantageous in the gay community to have a smaller penis? If I was ever to even entertain the idea of anal sex, I think I'd prefer someone smaller if I'm being honest.

But the "gay community" is not the only community having anal sex.....
 
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Some people who take the Bible seriously would say that gay marriage is about giving legal recognition to people who shamelessly and continously commit one of the gravest sins as defined in the Bible. Such people consider gay relationships an abomination, as does their Christian God.


Some people who take CHRIST seriously are less concerned about sin and more concerned about taking Christ at his word... which doesn't say much about marriage at all.
 
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Of course... feeling left out? Feel free to express your views on the matter ;)

My views on that matter when it comes to my personal choices are probably downright puritanical.. however to each their own.. based purely on conversations with assorted people who kiss and tell far too much there's a lot of folks who like anal sex.
 
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Very thoughtful words, Beanieboy - thanks!

In my view, those of us who have lived faithfully together for any length of time and with love and commitment to this relationship, are already married. (The same is true for all such relationships) The couple marries each other.

The state can officially recognize that relationship.
The Church can officially solemnize/bless that relationship.

But the marrying is done by the couple at least. (For many of us, it's the couple and God.)

The whole sex argument fails on the simplest of levels. Sex can be had by anyone at any time. One does not need marriage to have sex.

The "recipe" that so many are fond of quoting (one man + one woman) is certainly one way to marry, but it's not the only one. I know, because I am a living example.

Yeah, I totally agree with that. My coworker and her wife are very much in love. Her wife leaves notes in her lunch, etc. I feel a combination of envy, admiration, and the need to punch the Happy Tree Friends. However, they act this way because they love each other so much.

I think that it is more telling of a relationship if they couple cannot get married, and in general, society is against them, and yet, they stay together, when 1/2 of the straight marriages, that have societal and government support, can't make it.
 
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Yeah, I totally agree with that. My coworker and her wife are very much in love. Her wife leaves notes in her lunch, etc. I feel a combination of envy, admiration, and the need to punch the Happy Tree Friends. However, they act this way because they love each other so much.

I think that it is more telling of a relationship if they couple cannot get married, and in general, society is against them, and yet, they stay together, when 1/2 of the straight marriages, that have societal and government support, can't make it.

AMEN bro - it's an uphill climb.

But every moment of every day is worth it! :)
 
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It's REALLY weird being here in Toronto. Gay people could marry since 2003, and there are about 1 million people at Gay Pride, the majority of them straight. So, every once in a while, I forget where I am, and then here someone talking about the gay marriage issue or protesting a Gay Pride Parade, and it seems like I simply say, "You mean we are still discussing it?"
 
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Autumn leaf>> who defines 'marriage'?

a society?

which society?

Your society?

Their society?

Everyone's society? (ooh, think about that one.)

Who defines these things?

Who defines the meaning of male versus female? The definitions define themselves. So it is with marriage.
 
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It's REALLY weird being here in Toronto. Gay people could marry since 2003, and there are about 1 million people at Gay Pride, the majority of them straight. So, every once in a while, I forget where I am, and then here someone talking about the gay marriage issue or protesting a Gay Pride Parade, and it seems like I simply say, "You mean we are still discussing it?"

Battles are often lost before the conclusion of the war. This cultural war is not lost yet.
 
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