Why I Think Christmas is Not Biblical (Please read OP before posting).

[Bible Highlighter]

What are the Biblical specs for the worship of our Lord Christ?

The Bible is the standard and guide of how we are to worship.
The Spirit can be given to us to understand it if we ask for it and we truly seeking after the truth instead of following man made systems.

You argument sounds like one that's opposed to Christuan worship in general, and certainly no Christian feasts.

I am for any worship that is clearly backed up by Scripture.
I also agree with the keeping of the Lord’s supper.
I also agree that man shall not live by bread alone but by EVERY Word of God.
Most Christians today really don’t believe that so they are crippled before they even get out of the starting gate.

Sorry,already have my seats reserved for Lessons and Carols at All Saints in Sewanee. We'll be worshipping Christ. You're free to do whatever else it is you usually do at the beginning of Advent. Something really spiritual, I'm sure.

I understand. But we are to love not the world and neither things in the world. We are to pick up our cross and deny ourselves and follow Jesus. Not the Jesus invented lie that says he was born on December 25th when that is not the case. Sometimes on this holiday, you can see pictures of Jesus as some kind of white guy when he is not white, either. That is yet another lie that people just accept. People praise God with their lips but their hearts are far from Him. We can be close to God by obeying Him (See 1 John 2:3-4).

Bible believer, yes; like you, obviously not.

Which Bible?

I get no indication we are to follow extra biblical traditions by men

So no Christiian feasts or celebrations.

Sorry mate, IMO that's simply rubbish.

“There is a way that seems right unto a man…“

I.E., the coming of our Lord wasn't all that big a deal. Nothing to get worked up about.

The angels thought it was a big deal. But the point here is do we see this practice of celebrating Christ’s birth after the Lord Jesus was an adult? The short answer is… ‘no.“. Again, why does one brother to even include the Bible if one does what is right in their own eyes?

Do tell. Did He do anything else of note IYO? I'm sure you forbid the celetration of His glorious Resurrection as well, don't you? After all, it was just this one event...

So you can hear the rocks cry out?

When Christians gather every Sunday in worship of Jesus, they are celebrating the day the woman already discovered that He is risen.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

So? If I wanted to make a day where we think about the goodness of God why should you think it would upset him? Are you against Thanksgiving Day too?

Giving thanks to God is actually found in the Bible. The elements found in Christmas are not found in Scripture. Lying is number one. The first lie is that Jesus was born on December 25th. The other lie is Santa, which some parents say is real to their kids at a young age (thus promoting lies). Usually a hippy white Jesus is promoted on this holiday, as well. Jesus was neither white, and nor did he look like a hippie with long hair.

So your argument is because God never told us to do a certain thing that means he's against it?

When Cain brought forth a different sacrifice (veggies) instead of an animal sacrifice that God asked for, his sacrifice was not accepted.

Why?

Because Cain wanted to worship God the way he wanted and not the way God desired. Remember, Jesus says if you abide in me, and you abide in my words…". There is obviously something to that. Jesus never encouraged His followers to run off into some forest and worship God as they pleased. This is important because if we do not receive Christ’s words, those words will judge us on the last day.

And who says Christians are just honoring a baby alone.

Right, they might be into playing also into the lie of Santa, as well (Along with the hippie white Jesus born on December 25th which is a pagan holiday). It’s insulting to say the least. But you have to discover this truth for yourself if you are truly open to such a thing. Most today do what is right in their own eyes.

They also think about Easter (all though of course we don't care for the term) but we think of his cross and his whole life.

Most people do not know this but William Tyndale (Who was martyred by Catholics) had invented the word “Passover.” Before that point in time, the word for “Passover” was “Easter." Check out the book called, Don’t Passover Easter, by Bryan C. Ross.

Focusing on a baby version of Jesus (without mentioning the resurrection of Christ in our message) is to take the focus off of our risen Lord Jesus Christ.

Why so. In talking about Jesus coming to the earth you're actually as well talking about why he came to be he Savior of the World. Surely you know a lot of Christmas carols refer to that?

How many people today actually Christmas carol? Not many. It was more popular in the 1970s.
But then what are the chances they are going to just happen to sing a song on the resurrection, too?
In either case, it is still a false Jesus because our Lord would not approve of the lies that go on with this holiday, like he was born December 25th, he looks like a white hippie, he wants us putting false idols of Him, Mary, and Joseph on our front yard, or in our house.

Tell me, does Christmas focus on a risen Lord or does it focus on His birth?

It all depends on who's telling the message. Jesus the Savor came into this would and died for our sins after 30 or so years.

This sounds like an evasion of the point I made. Christmas celebrates Jesus birth, which is a practice that only happened when He was an actual baby and not an adult. Nowhere did Jesus encourage others to worship Him as a baby after He was an adult already. That would not be true to how He actually existed in real time. Again, Cain’s offering was not accepted because he went off and did his own thing. Things went downhill from there.

So what? Would if not be better to cover over a pagan god celebration with the true God one?

No. "Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils.” (1 Corinthians 10:21).

God is holy and He is separate from all that is evil.

Well the Wise Men came with gifts to worship God and that's where the idea came for giving gifts at Christmas. Why should y ou think God would be so bent out of shape over this?

The wiseman were not worshiping Jesus as a baby when He was an adult, but they were worshiping Him as a baby because that was how He existed at that point in time. To worship as a baby when He is no longer a baby is a deception.

He's also aware if you didn't have Christmas people still would be buying things everyone needs for each other. Why should you think he'd be against the world making up a certain day?

The world. That’s the first problem in your sentence here.

1 Corinthians 2:12 says,
"Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God"

Christmas is of the world spirit. It is even celebrated by atheists. Well, the Santa (Satan) version for sure.

You're being extreme on the pagan elements thing if you're talking about a Christmas tree.

Jeremiah 10 says: “Thus saith the Lord, Learn not the way of the heathen…. For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.”

While this was in reference to idol worship, to copy this form of idol practice is still disobedience. We are to learn the way of the heathen and do the above. Yet, they do it anyways on Christmas. Even if it was idol worship, I don’t want to even be close to what they did involving idol worship. That would be like building a golden calf that the Israelites worship on a particular holiday and put presents around it, say that it has nothing to do with the one in Exodus. Such a thing would be insanity. Why imitate that which is evil?

Abstain from all appearance of evil.“ (1 Thessalonians 5:22).

People in our culture are not worshipping them. It's no different then having a pretty plant in ones home. Are you against that?

Again, it says learn not the way of the heathen and cut down trees and decorate them. That first part instruction of warning can be broken.

Nobody in our culture is worshipping a tree.

This straightforward description of the modern Christmas tree is evident. The Bible directly refers to it as "the way of the heathen." Equally direct, it commands His followers not to "adopt the customs of the heathen," categorizing these practices as "futile." In Verse 23, a striking and forceful declaration is made: "O LORD, I recognize that the path of humanity is not within their own control: it is beyond human capability to guide their own way." God is the source of guidance for how people should live, as humans cannot discern God's ways independently.

In Jeremiah 10, there is no room for the interpretation, as some have attempted, that because these trees lack inherent power, it is permissible to have a Christmas tree. God unequivocally condemns the erection of pagan (Christmas) trees through this clear Biblical injunction!

You mean because of a song like "Oh Christmas Tree" you would call that worshipping a tree? And when it say, "We learn from all your beauty" are you believing people are serious about that? It's nothing more than a fun joke. So think about what you're saying. Are you therefore opposed to any nice looking plant being in the home too? Let me tell you....years ago we had a purple wandering Jew plant (it's called) in a basket hanging from a hook above. Then we put a plant underneath it at Christmas....then we decorated it....people couldn't tell is was even two plants.....I'd tell them to look at it close. They'd say WOW that's two plants and not even a tree! So I ask you what about plants then? If it's not a tree you're OK with that?

Uh, singing to a tree as if it was some kind of spirit is wrong. Even if you are just joking, others who are kids may not always realize that.

Again, but the point here is that it is a deception. There is no Christmas tree spirit. Singing to this spirit of the Christmas tree helps to make my case stronger and not your own.

As I said people can go beyond just talking about Jesus the baby and can talk about how he became the Savior.

Perhaps they will play some of the Chosen TV series on Christmas and promote even more lies (Thereby promoting Mormonism), too.

 

[Strong in Him]

So if the Bible is not alone your authority, then what else is?

It's my authority in matters of doctrine, of course.
It's my authority in revelations of God, obviously - the Bible is about God and was written by him.

But I wouldn't refuse to do/have something just because the Bible didn't specifically address the issue.

In other words, when you criticize the Bible alone position, you open Pandora’s box to all kinds of problems.

I wasn't criticising "Bible alone", I was challenging your statement that if something isn't in the Bible we should not do it/stop doing it.
As I said, we do/have all kinds of things that the Bible doesn't address.

Christmas is supposed to be the observance of baby Jesus if your Christian.

No, Christmas is celebrating the incarnation - the Word becoming flesh; God being born as one of us.

No one "observes baby Jesus" or worships a baby. We don't commemorate the festival by giving each other baby food or nappies; we don't all make baby noises for the day to do as Jesus did. There are no carols which rejoice that Jesus slept through the night, cut his first tooth or went onto solid food.
If there were, and we sang them year after year, thereby keeping Jesus at the same age - small enough to be manageable - that would be ridiculous.

Not sure why I have to even explain this difference to you seeing it obvious they are different things.

Because you said that if it's not in the Bible, we shouldn't do it.

If church leader or member is wearing a spiked dog collar I am immediately leaving that place.

I didn't say a "spiked" dog collar.
"Dog collar" is a colloquial term for "clerical collar" - at least, it is where I am. I appreciate you may not be familiar with the phrase, but you could have asked what I meant, rather than assuming it was literal.
Why in the world would any member of the clergy wear a spiked dog collar?

There was no T-shirts back then.
Plus it is insulting to say Jesus got a T-shirt.

It's a saying!
"Been there, done that, bought and worn the T shirt" means "I've had that experience, I know what it's like; I've been in that position".
Again, why assume that it is literal and I was talking about Jesus in a T shirt? As you said, there were no T shirts back then - which I did actually realise. So didn't that tell you that I could not have been talking literally?

Also, honoring a minor holiday involving humans is not the same as trying to bring God into the mix.

"Trying to bring God into the mix"??
a) Don't you realise that the nativity stories are all about God? God appeared to Mary and Joseph, God guided the Magi, God sent his angels to the shepherds, God was in the manger, God told Joseph to go to Egypt.
b) don't you realise that the incarnation means that God is with us every day, in everything? That was God who walked the dusty streets, wept at the tomb of Lazarus, had compassion on, and for, the sick. In the OT, if anyone looked at God, they would die - yet John wrote, "that which we have seen with our eyes and looked at - we declare to you."
Because of the Incarnation, God is with us - not a remote being who can only be approached through prophets.

In other words, when you invent an imaginary holiday for God you are involving an element of worship of some kind with God.
Jesus says we are to worship in spirit and truth. Christmas is actually not a practice found in the Bible.

Nor are many other things.
Doesn't mean we can't do them.

The KJV was THE Bible here in America from the 1800s to the early 1960s.
The KJV (Aitkens Bible) was the first printed Bible here in America and it was endorsed by Congress.

My point about the KJV is that it does not say in the Bible "you shall only read the Bible which will be authorised by King James in the 1600s."
And you claim that you are a "Bible only" person.

If one does not have a Bible, they don’t have the faith and therefore, one is not born again by water or the communicated Word of God.
Jesus said we need to be born of water to enter the Kingdom.
So if one appears to speak against the revelation known as the Bible, I would greatly worry about them.

All Christians have a Bible - probably several.
But there is no verse in the Bible which says "you shall read the KJV alone and no other". THAT is my point.
I know you believe there are Biblical reasons for the KJV; that is a matter of opinion. But as there is no verse which says "thou shalt only read the KJV", and as you are a Bible only person, you should not be doing it.

Jesus said, "Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness," (Matthew 19:18).

No one needs to tell me not to do those things because I have no intention of doing them.
More importantly, it is Jesus saying those things, not you.

But if another person tells me that I shouldn't do something, or in their opinion I shouldn't do something, that is sometimes a good reason for doing it. As in "you can't do/manage that" or "you shouldn't do this, go to that place, listen to that music" etc etc.
If Jesus told me to stop celebrating Christmas, I would - but not when it's some person on the internet saying "stop that."

 

[Strong in Him]

Jeremiah 10 says: “Thus saith the Lord, Learn not the way of the heathen…. For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.”

While this was in reference to idol worship, to copy this form of idol practice is still disobedience.

No Christian worships a Christmas tree nor makes an idol from it.

Uh, singing to a tree as if it was some kind of spirit is wrong.

No Christian sings to a tree nor worships it.

I imagine there would be an uproar if I said to you "well you worship a book - the KJV". You would tell me that of course you don't, you worship God.
So why accuse others or worshipping a tree?

 

[Der Alte]

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Jeremiah 10 says: “Thus saith the Lord, Learn not the way of the heathen…. For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.”
While this was in reference to idol worship, to copy this form of idol practice is still disobedience. We are to learn the way of the heathen and do the above. Yet, they do it anyways on Christmas. Even if it was idol worship, I don’t want to even be close to what they did involving idol worship. That would be like building a golden calf that the Israelites worship on a particular holiday and put presents around it, say that it has nothing to do with the one in Exodus. Such a thing would be insanity. Why imitate that which is evil?
Abstain from all appearance of evil.“ (1 Thessalonians 5:22).
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The vss. you are quoting have nothing to do with a decorated tree. You might try reading the rest of Jeremiah 10 to understand what it is really saying.

Jeremiah 10:2-5
(2) Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.
(3) For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.
(4) They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.
(5) They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good.​

Nobody in their right mind would expect a decorated tree to speak, move etc. But pagans expected their deities, which their idols represented, to speak and move. Here is a parallel passage in Isaiah.

Isaiah 40:19-20
(19) The workman melteth a graven image, and the goldsmith spreadeth it over with gold, and casteth silver chains.
(20) He that is so impoverished that he hath no oblation chooseth a tree that will not rot; he seeketh unto him a cunning workman to prepare a graven image, that shall not be moved.​

Anybody can make the Bible say almost anything by quoting selective vss. out-of-context. If someone does not want to have a Christmas tree that's fine with me but that does not give them the right to judge and dictate to others.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Our concern in what we do involves what?

2 Timothy 4:2 says,
"Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine."

My case with the Bible stands on Christmas but I am not expecting those who are knee deep in Christmas to see it if they are not willing to give it up to follow Jesus. To many today, following Jesus according to His Word alone is foolishness. The Christmas Jesus is not the same Jesus of the Bible because he would not endorse secular worldly holidays that have bad fruits attached to them. Such fruits on Christmas are greed, materialism, giving under compulsion, promotion of gluttony, etcetera.

During the Christmas season, two significant lies often circulate, which Jesus would not agree with. The first is the belief that Jesus was born on December 25th. The second involves the existence of a figure named "Father Christmas" or "Santa Claus" who delivers gifts to children on Christmas. These deceptions are often attributed to falsehoods, and Jesus himself referred to the origin of lies in the following passage from the book of John (8:44): "When he speaks a lie, he speaks of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it."

Everyone knows that we don’t know exactly what day Christ was born on but that doesn’t mean that we can’t set aside a day to honor His birthday. And as for Santa Clause the story originated from Saint Nicolas who went around doing good deeds for people. Over time the story became a fictional children’s story. If you’re opposed to fictional characters like Santa Clause because it’s not true I would have to ask are you also opposed to all fictional stories including books, movies, and television shows?

 

[Bible Highlighter]

The vss. you are quoting have nothing to do with a decorated tree. You might try reading the rest of Jeremiah 10 to understand what it is really saying.

Jeremiah 10:2-5​

(2) Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.​

(3) For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.​

(4) They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.​

(5) They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good.​

Nobody in their right mind would expect a decorated tree to speak, move etc. But pagans expected their deities, which their idols represented, to speak and move. Here is a parallel passage in Isaiah.

Isaiah 40:19-20​

(19) The workman melteth a graven image, and the goldsmith spreadeth it over with gold, and casteth silver chains.​

(20) He that is so impoverished that he hath no oblation chooseth a tree that will not rot; he seeketh unto him a cunning workman to prepare a graven image, that shall not be moved.​

Anybody can make the Bible say almost anything by quoting selective vss. out-of-context. If someone does not want to have a Christmas tree that's fine with me but that does not give them the right to judge and dictate to others.

Jeremiah 10 is talking about idolatry. I was not born again yesterday. But as a part of the instruction it says not to even decorate a tree. So you should not do that. Just as a person should not create idol images as a part of the idolatry command. If you actually study the topic of idolatry in the Bible, idols were destroyed. So just their existence is not good.

 

[Strong in Him]

Jeremiah 10 is talking about idolatry. I was not born again yesterday. But as a part of the instruction it says not to even decorate a tree.

No, it doesn't.
Jeremiah told the Israelites not to follow the ways of the other nations, who made idols out of wood, adorned them with silver and gold and had to secure them with nails in case they tottered. He said they shouldn't fear the idols of other nations; they could not walk nor speak.
(As a matter of fact, people did nail God down on a piece of wood centuries later. And, metaphorically speaking, some have been trying to do that ever since.)

But that is very far from saying to us, "Do not go to Sainsbury's, buy an artificial tree and then put homemade decorations on it".

 

[Der Alte]

Jeremiah 10 is talking about idolatry. I was not born again yesterday. But as a part of the instruction it says not to even decorate a tree. So you should not do that. Just as a person should not create idol images as a part of the idolatry command. If you actually study the topic of idolatry in the Bible, idols were destroyed. So just their existence is not good.

Mostly irrelevant. No, it does NOT say "not to even decorate a tree!" A Christmas tree is NOT an idol. It is not worshipped. There is absolutely no evidence that decorated trees [which had not been carved into idols] were ever worshipped as idols. No, zero, none. Some folks use this Christmas tree argument OUT-OF-CONTEXT to puff themselves up and make themselves feel better than others.
Since you seem to consider yourself an expert on this so-called tree idol of Jeremiah's time what kind of idol was "he? What was "he" in charge of? What was "he" supposed to do for the assumed worshippers? What was "his" name?

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Everyone knows that we don’t know exactly what day Christ was born on but that doesn’t mean that we can’t set aside a day to honor His birthday.

But setting aside a day of when He is not born is a lie. But that is the way of the fantasy cultures of our day. Just invent whatever truth you like. So we should start to declare your birthday on a day that you were not born and promote that lie, right? What if you did that with other people? How do you think God feels?

And as for Santa Clause the story originated from Saint Nicolas who went around doing good deeds for people. Over time the story became a fictional children’s story. If you’re opposed to fictional characters like Santa Clause because it’s not true I would have to ask are you also opposed to all fictional stories including books, movies, and television shows?

No, it doesn't.
Jeremiah told the Israelites not to follow the ways of the other nations, who made idols out of wood, adorned them with silver and gold and had to secure them with nails in case they tottered. He said they shouldn't fear the idols of other nations; they could not walk nor speak.
(As a matter of fact, people did nail God down on a piece of wood centuries later. And, metaphorically speaking, some have been trying to do that ever since.)

But that is very far from saying to us, "Do not go to Sainsbury's, buy an artificial tree and then put homemade decorations on it".

Again, if you studied idolatry in the Bible, you would know that God had idols destroyed. Please just read Jeremiah 10.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Mostly irrelevant. No, it does NOT say do not even decorate a tree! A Christmas tree is NOT an idol. It is not worshipped. There is absolutely no evidence that decorated trees [which had not been carved into idols] were ever worshipped as idols. No, zero, none. Some folks use this Christmas tree argument OUT-OF-CONTEXT to puff themselves up and make themselves feel better than others.
Since you seem to consider yourself an expert on this so-called tree idol of Jeremiah's time what kind of idol was "he? What was "he" in charge of? What was "he" supposed to do for the assumed worshippers? What was "his" name?

Witches use Christmas trees as a part of their pagan worship. It actually predates the Christmas celebration. We are to avoid having any appearance of evil according to Scripture.

 

[Jipsah]

The Bible is the standard and guide of how we are to worship.

It appears jhere that the Bible has far less to do with your assertions than do your own doctrinal presuppositions. You assume, a priori, that a great many ill-founded and/or downright false notions as to the "the pagan origin of Christmas", the " pagan origion of Easter", nd the presumed "pagan origin" of any celebration of the coming of God Incarnate. Upon even cursory investigation these charges all turn out to be the worst kind of nonsense, generally coming fromthe same sources that atheists and other unbelievers use to "debunk" Christianity.

The short form is that you resuse any feast or holy day dedicated to the worship and adoration of our Risen Lord. Does that not seem to be even the least bit strange to you? It certainly does to most Christians.

The Spirit can be given to us to understand it if we ask for it

I have, and He did. Go thou and do likewise.

and we truly seeking after the truth instead of following man made systems.

The Christian faith the "man made system"in your belief apparently being the Christian Faith.

I am for any worship that is clearly backed up by Scripture.

As long as it's based pre-Christian sources, right?

I also agree with the keeping of the Lord’s supper.

After a fashion, I'm sure. A sip and a nibble to taken as a reminder,notour Lord's Body and Blood as He Himself said.
The Pharisees, masters of Scripture as they were knew that He couldn't really have meant that.

I also agree that man shall not live by bread alone but by EVERY Word of God.

As long as it comes from the Old Covenant, right?

Most Christians today really don’t believe that so they are crippled before they even get out of the starting gate.

By not embracing the neo-Judaizing position supported by references to largely ficitiious "pagan" origins of Christian worship.

I understand.

There we very much disagree.

But we are to love not the world and neither things in the world. We are to pick up our cross and deny ourselves and follow Jesus.

But be careful not to worship Him at times and places that offend neo-Pharisees.

Not the Jesus invented lie

Be good enough to rephrase that.

that says he was born on December 25th

Irrelevant to anything. In the West we celebrate His coming on 25 December. In the Eastern tradition they celebrate His coming on 7 January. In your tradition you're forbidden to celebrate His coming at all.

when that is not the case. Sometimes on this holiday, you can see pictures of Jesus as some kind of white guy when he is not white, either.

I'm of the opinion that most Jews, then as now, were Caucasian. But again, that's altogether irrelevant. We don't worship Him for being white, or Jewish, or Black, or Asian, or anything else than being God Incarnate, the Creator of the Universe. If you don't believe that, thnen we have no basis for discussion at all.

The angels thought it was a big deal. But the point here is do we see this practice of celebrating Christ’s birth after the Lord Jesus was an adult? The short answer is… ‘no.“.

I get the impression that the Gospels take secondplace to the OT in your religion, but if you'd sneak a look you might find people celebrating the coming of our Savior - just before He was crucified. After His resurrection, His followers were a litle busy trying to stay a step ahead of the Romans, and the Jews, who wanted them dead or in prison. The celebrations came later.

Again, why brother to even include the Bible if you want to do what is right in their own eyes?

Why bother to include the Old Testament of the Bible if you exclude the New, which which all of the OT is simply prelude?

When Christians gather every Sunday in worship of Jesus, they are celebrating the day the woman already discovered that He is risen.

We're not celebrating the day, we're celebrating His Resurrection from the dead.

It's not about days and rules and laws and traditions, it's about Him, God Himself. The Word became flesh and dwelt among us. He was here, in Person. He Who spoke the universe into being. That is why we celebrate. Not because a Law or tradition says we mush, but because God Himself has come! Forbid us to celebrate His coming and the rocks themselves will cry out!

 

[Der Alte]

But setting aside a day of when He is not born is a lie. But that is the way of the fantasy cultures of our day. Just invent whatever truth you like. So we should start to declare your birthday on a day that you were not born and promote that lie, right? What if you did that with other people? How do you think God feels?

No, it is NOT a lie! It may be a mistake. To be a lie one would have to know the correct day and say that another day was the correct day. Do you know the correct day?

Again, if you studied idolatry in the Bible, you would know that God had idols destroyed. Please just read Jeremiah 10.

What is your point? An idol is something that is worshipped. I don't know anyone who worships Christmas trees.

 

[Der Alte]

Witches use Christmas trees as a part of their pagan worship. It actually predates the Christmas celebration. We are to avoid having any appearance of evil according to Scripture.

Nonsense! Can you provide any credible, verifiable evidence for this ridiculous claim. I don't mean copy/paste from some random website. If not remember you saying something about lying in a previous post?

 

[Strong in Him]

Again, if you studied idolatry in the Bible, you would know that God had idols destroyed. Please just read Jeremiah 10.

I have.
A Christmas tree is not an idol - at least, it isn't for me.

 

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Everyone knows that we don’t know exactly what day Christ was born on but that doesn’t mean that we can’t set aside a day to honor His birthday.

But setting aside a day of when He is not born is a lie. But that is the way of the fantasy cultures of our day. Just invent whatever truth you like. So we should start to declare your birthday on a day that you were not born and promote that lie, right? What if you did that with other people? How do you think God feels? Also, where does this kind of changing of the truth end? Once you change the truth into a lie, you can start to do that with other things. Remember, God always tells the truth. Satan is the father of lies. Don’t buy into thinking you can tell lies and be okay with God. Revelation 21:8 says all liars will have their part in the Lake of Fire.

And as for Santa Clause the story originated from Saint Nicolas who went around doing good deeds for people. Over time the story became a fictional children’s story. If you’re opposed to fictional characters like Santa Clause because it’s not true I would have to ask are you also opposed to all fictional stories including books, movies, and television shows?

It’s the celebration of a fictional story and sometimes the parents lie to their children about how Santa is real when he is not.
Also, some Catholics claim that Santa Clause is really St. Nicholas of Bari (or Myra), a fourth-century Catholic bishop in Turkey. It makes sense because Catholics are known for calling highly favored believers ïn their chosen history as “saint os-and-so.”
Also, it is kind of odd that if you move the letter “n” in Santa, you get Satan, and he dresses in red (Which is the popular artistic depictions of the devil). Again, I should not have to tell you that this junk is not of God. It is kind of basic if you are a Christian who truly seeks to follow the Lord and His will and not your own will. In other words, if you have any remote understanding of the teachings of Jesus, He was not into the whole Joel Olsteen idea of having your best life now but He was into self denial and picking up your cross, etcetera. We live in a ME centered society and I am not surprised most here do not get it because in their eyes, it is about ME, ME, and ME and my fun, and not really about Jesus. Christmas is really about you and being accepted by either your family or the world. Don’t make waves now because you will look like a radical for Jesus. We cannot have that, right? But hey. You can knock yourself out in living a fantasy life if you like. I prefer to follow Jesus instead. He is more worth it than the short pleasures of this life that are fleeting and hollow.

 

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I have.
A Christmas tree is not an idol - at least, it isn't for me.

That’s like pointing to your car and saying, "It’s not a car” even though it is one.
Sorry, you cannot change reality to the way you prefer.

 

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That’s like pointing to your car and saying, "It’s not a car” even though it is one.
Sorry, you cannot change reality to the way you prefer.

Provide one credible, verifiable source which clearly states a Christmas tree is or ever was an idol. I don't mean an out-of-context vs. from Jeremiah. Tick, tock.

 

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"To Christians today, the Christmas tree is of special importance, but the green tree we decorated shortly before Christmas has Pagan roots and there was a time when the Church did not accept it."

Ancient History Of The Christmas Tree And Its Pagan Roots - How The 'Forbidden' Tree Survived Against All Odds - Ancient Pages

Legend has it that the first Christmas tree can be traced to Saint Boniface, an eighth-century English missionary to the Pagan tribes in the land that became Germany. When the saint learned in 723 A.D. that people worshipped a Donar Oak (Thunder Oak) dedicated to the Norse god Thor, he chopped...

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"There are most likely some exceptions of course, but in ancient and modern times trees play an important role in traditional cultures around the world. In many mythologies, the tree is represented as the source of life, the center of the universe, and the cosmic tree.

"To Christians today, the Christmas tree is of special importance, but the green tree we decorated shortly before Christmas has Pagan roots and there was a time when the Church did not accept it."

Also, doing a search on witchcraft and Christmas trees shows that the tree is a part of their dark craft, and it has a tradition that predates the the invention of Christmas. But my main contention with it is Jeremiah 10 because just having an idol is wrong. Meaning, you would not put up a Roman Catholic statue of Mary in your house. We are told not to make any idols just as we are not to bow down to them. But in the ME-centered Christians of our day, some of them think it is okay to have an idol as long as you don’t worship it. But if one were to read the command on idols when Moses received His commands from the Lord, we are told not to even make a graven image (i.e., an idol).

 

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No Christian worships a Christmas tree nor makes an idol from it. No Christian sings to a tree nor worships it.

In Exodus 20, believers at that time were told not to even make a graven image, which is an idol. If you were to study the topic, there are times when God just destroys the idols. So it is not just punishing the person for idolatry, but it is also wrong to have the idol, too.

So why accuse others or worshipping a tree?

It’s not about worship. Its about having an idol in your home that God condemns. Again, if you know your Bible on the topic of idolatry, you would understand this.