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Yes. I don't use the KJV myself - except occasionally when comparing translations. I have no problem with those who like/prefer it, but it was annoying to be told that it is the only valid translation.
I think that's what I was trying to say too - though I probably worded it badly.
A lie in having fun is still a lie. Your logic is flawed. Surely if you know Scripture, we are to imitate Christ, and the Lord Jesus would never do such a thing as lie to children as a part of having fun. Remember, when Paul said to live is Christ and to die is gain? If you are living like the world, then you are not living like Christ would live. One needs to be born again by the Holy Spirit and the Holy Scriptures in order to see what I am talking about. We need to receive not the spirit of this world, but the Spirit of God to be able to see such things. The spirit of this world will tell you lying is okay if it is done in fun. But I am not really hear to convince you, but to let others know of the truth.
Santa Claus - as in Saint Nicholas - was real.
No, he wouldn't.
You’re being ridiculous and stretching the word of God to the most extreme interpretation possible. According to what your saying here when my 5 year old draws a picture and asks me if it looks good I should say no it looks like crap it’s a bunch of stick figures unevenly proportioned with no shading or depth, it looks terrible. Or if my wife asks me if a certain outfit makes her look fat my answer should be no I wouldn’t blame that on the outfit. Telling kids that Santa clause, the Easter bunny, or the tooth fairy isn’t a lie it’s a fictional story, like little red riding hood or the three little pigs. You have to apply a little common sense when discerning the scriptures, the lies that are referred to in the scriptures are intended for the purpose of deceitfulness and malicious intent not merely fictional stories intended for entertainment purposes. I suppose you would also be opposed to the show Highway To Heaven where Michael Landon would go around serving God helping people in need, preaching the gospel, teachings Christ’s message and performing miracles because it’s a bunch of fictional stories but everyone knows that it’s not intended to be factual. The purpose of the show was entertainment and to teach people good moral principles and about God’s expectations.
Are you seriously going to intentionally twist the word of God to fit your agenda? Because that’s a far worse offense than telling kids a fictional story about Santa clause. You know full well that Paul is saying that no one should judge us for honoring God on a certain day.
Yes I know that my friend, I mentioned that in a previous post.
Sorry, that wasn't intended as a criticism or anything.
So if Jesus had nieces and nephews, he would have never played make believe with them? He'd refuse to have an imaginary tea party his little niece?
No. You are being ridiculous dear sir because you have absolutely zero biblical grounds to justify your lying.
Chapter and verse. Biblical examples?
First of all. Christians should not swear like you just did now. Second, it would not be a lie to say it looks good within the realm or scope of comparison of children’s drawings. You can also evade the question and say something like, “You are going to turn out to be one of the best artists, little buddy." So no. You don’t have to lie.
There are clever ways to answer in truth without having to insult her by openly saying she is fat. You can say you love her in any outfit, and she is beautiful to you (Speaking more overall and not specific in regards to her fat). Tell her that you prefer another outfit (which of course you would know that would not make her look as heavy).
Okay. Parents actually teach their kids that Santa is real and then later reveal he is not real. So they lied to their children. They will sometimes also do this with trying to convince them of the lie that tooth fairy exists, as well. So you think that lying in these instances is acceptable to God? Biblical examples? If you don’t have any examples, then you are making up your own standard of morality that does not align with the Bible.
I remember the existence of this TV show while it aired back in the 80s when I was growing up, but I don’t recall any of the details you mentioned about it because it was not a series I was into as a kid. But if it is fictional book, TV series, or film, generally this is stated at some point. We used to have the TV guide booklet and it stated whether it was fiction or not. Now, you have the online version on digital paid TV services. Sometimes the show itself will say that it is fiction, Etcetera. Parents will be quick to let their children know that they are simply watching something that is not real. Nobody I knew growing up ever thought that fictional movies and series were actually real because this was commonly accepted as fact at a very young age. It is a given that with the music, and the credits, it reveals that this is just fiction, as well. But the point is that with Santa, and the tooth fairy, some parents actually make their children believe they are real for a short period of time and they carry on this lie until they figure it out or the parents drop the bomb.
Yes, because they technically do not exist. Imagining if you had an invisible nieces and nephews would make you look like you are either crazy or you are pandering to the culture of lying. There is no such invisible family members and so to pretend they exist is a lie. Jesus would never do that. Again, give your biblical examples to prove your case. If not, you have been conditioned by our society to believe lies as being acceptable and normal.
Crap is not a curse word otherwise it wouldn’t have let me type it here.
Rahab was counted as being righteous by God Himself for lying. That is biblical evidence right there that not all lies are a sin. I’ve already presented that evidence, you’re just refusing to accept it.
Jesus had brothers and sisters (Matt 12:46; Matt 13:56), and it would be highly unusual if none of them had any children. Especially in that culture of big families and people getting married really young. So if Jesus had a niece, which is more likely than not, would it be a sin if he had a pretend tea party with her?
Well, you did not offer an alternative interpretation beyond your Christmas Romans 14 interpretation (Which is pretty silly because such a holiday did not even exist at the time Paul was writing). Neither did Paul refer in Romans 14 to it applying to anything we like, either (like worldly holidays). You say that I have an agenda in Romans 14. It is a difficult chapter especially in light of Paul’s statement in Galatians 4:10-11. But you would have to back up your claims why you believe I have one by what I stated. I am happy to change my view on Romans 14 if one clarifies it better. But this would have to be in context to the surrounding chapters and should be able to be cross referenced with other parts of the New Testament, as well.
Again, you did not offer WHY I was interpreting Romans 14 wrongfully.
No. This is in context to honoring God on a particular day ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURE and not worldly secular holidays or days invented by the traditions of men from churches. Again, Romans 14 talks about “faith.” Romans 10:17 says faith comes by hearing the Word of God. The Word of God is SCRIPTURE. There is no faith in the things of God if it is not grounded or rooted in the BIBLE.
Well not that it matters but my wife isn’t fat. My wife is 5’3” and 125 lbs. But those answers are sure to be replied with “you didn’t answer the question” which automatically implies that yes she does look fat. You just need to recognize that the scriptures do give examples of lies that are not sins. Another example other than Rahab is the midwives Shiphrah and Puah who lied to Pharaoh and God was pleased with them because of their lie.
You are misinformed about the Bible in what it says on this point. See this thread here:
www.christianforums.com
Are you actually applying that to a parent playing make believe with their little child? A long time ago I used to play make believe with my nice when she was little that I had a small invisible dog named Sparky. Do I need to repent of that and apologize to her?
Yes. it would be a sin to make others believe something is real that is not actually real. Now, if something is fiction and it is established that it is fiction by both the creators and the audience, that is different. But to create an illusion of something that is not true and then later reveal it was simply not true is a lie. Imagine this tactic being employed repeatedly as one raises their children. They would not trust you to tell the truth or they would think you are crazy for creating false illusions of fake people for a time.
