Why I don't believe in Calvinism.

[Dave L]

Or the guy decides to leave and being ungrateful

Paul says were were dead in sin. Not wounded.

 

[Not David]

Paul says were were dead in sin. Not wounded.

Nothing that contradicts synergism.

 

[Dave L]

Nothing that contradicts synergism.

You steal God's glory if you are good enough to respond.

 

[Albion]

I was arguing cooperation with God does not mean you earn half of the credit.

I know that. But the examples of "cooperation" that have been offered here lately are nothing like the idea that we started with in which the person is really good, does good, lives a Godly life deserving of reward, etc.. Simply lying still while someone carries you to safety is no parallel to that.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

You still depict God as a bully who threatens to torture any who do not "say uncle".

How so? Please elaborate why you think I would hold to such a belief. Nowhere have I ever stated or implied such a thing by my words. But if that is what you think I believe, then please show me the post #'s that would lead you to that conclusion.

 

[Dave L]

How so? Please elaborate why you believe that I believe such a thing.

Bad people hate God and reject him. Good people choose him = they get 1/2 the glory.

 

[Albion]

I don't see what that has to do with the point I made that you have value more than many sparrows.

It means that there is nothing special being given to sparrows. Is that all that you think eternal life with God, salvation, is equal to?

Again, your belief is illogical by what I have pointed out so far. There is no
answer that you can give that would satisfy as to why God would elect or choose someone based on his future foreknowledge.

Listen carefully. There may be.

The fact that we are not informed of it for some unknown reason does not rebut the concept of Election.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Speaking of being confused, Purgatory is not Hell.

Did I say it was? But what would matter if I did not understand the intricacies of Purgatory? It matters not because it does not exist in my Bible. Do you know of the intricacies of every myth and legend there is?

 

[Bible Highlighter]

It means that there is nothing special being given to sparrows. Is that all that you think eternal life with God, salvation, is equal to?


Listen carefully. There may be.

The fact that we are not informed of it for some unknown reason does not rebut the concept of Election.

Not being able to see the points I made and for you to keep responding contrary in defense of Calvinism is mind blower for me. So I will not engage with you any longer on this topic unless you address the points I made with Scripture.

 

[Tree of Life]

After a sober assessment of myself I must say that I cannot find anything good in me that would motivate God to choose me. I'm full of sin. Is there any hope for sinners like me?

 

[Not David]

You steal God's glory if you are good enough to respond.

Lmao, imaging thinking responding is all we need to be saved.

 

[Albion]

Did I say it was? But what would matter if I did not understand the intricacies of Purgatory? It matters not because it does not exist in my Bible. Do you know of the intricacies of every myth and legend there is?

I know about the intricacies of that one, and that's why I would not bring it up if I was making a point about Hell rather than Purgatory.

 

[Dave L]

Lmao, imaging thinking responding is all we need to be saved.

= self-righteousness = stealing God's glory.

 

[Not David]

I know that. But the examples of "cooperation" that have been offered here lately are nothing like the idea that we started with in which the person is really good, does good, lives a Godly life deserving of reward, etc.. Simply lying still while someone carries you to safety is no parallel to that.

Being sinless does not give you salvation.

 

[Loversofjesus_2018]

Peter is elect according to the FOREKNOWLEDGE of GOD.
This means God chose Peter based on His future foreknowledge.
This implies that God chose Peter correctly because Peter actually did good for God's kingdom and he was not utterly useless (producing no fruit whatsoever).

According to Calvinism, God elects based on no conditions whatsoever. But His Word says He elects according to His future foreknowledge (Which implies that there is something in the future that is swaying God's decision in choosing).

It didn’t imply that to me at all because it didn’t say that. We add anything g? If it doesn’t say it doesn’t say it. When you say it implies, what your doing is assuming. Why assume anything? Why ever assume God meant something unless your 100% certain in which implication/assumption would be unnecessary.

 

[Albion]

So I will not engage with you any longer on this topic unless you address the points I made with Scripture.

I already did that.

 

[Albion]

Being sinless does not give you salvation.

So? Whether or not it would, no one made mention of that.

 

[Loversofjesus_2018]

Jesus says you have more value than many sparrows.



Put on your detective cap. Think. What motivation is there of God to choose somebody based on His knowledge of the future if there was no condition in the individual whatsoever?

That’s what we need to stop doing is putting on a defective cap. If it doesn’t say it it doesn’t say. Why does anything need to be implied in Gods word? If it’s from God wouldn’t it be clear as Day? Without us having to assume then someone else assumes something else?

 

[Not David]

= self-righteousness = stealing God's glory.

I believe you confuse self-righteousness with pride. The most Christian person would recognize he needs God.

 

[Not David]

That’s what we need to stop doing is putting on a defective cap. If it doesn’t say it it doesn’t say. Why does anything need to be implied in Gods word? If it’s from God wouldn’t it be clear as Day? Without us having to assume then someone else assumes something else?

Sola Scriptura failed Christianity.