Why I Believe In Tithing

[Daniels]

• It is a Bible doctrine with continuity in the Scriptures, before, during, and after Moses’ Law.
• The tithe is not mine to withhold; it belongs to the Lord (Leviticus 27:30).
• Tithing is an indicator of faithfulness to God (2 Chronicles 31:12).
• Tithing is an indicator of our generosity (2 Chronicles 31:5). And “A generous man will himself be blessed” (Prov. 22:9).
• Tithing allows God-called ministers to devote themselves fully to the Lord’s work (Numbers 18:21; 1 Corin. 9:13f).
• I don’t want God to consider me a robber (Malachi 3:8).
• God wants His “house”, the church, to be abundantly supplied (Malachi 3:10 with 1 Timothy 3:15).
• God says if we are faithful in tithes & offerings, He will open the windows of heaven and pour out abundant blessings (Malachi 3:10-12; also Proverbs 3:10).
• We are honoring the Lord when we give to Him (Prov. 3:9).
• There is a bible principle of sowing and reaping (2 Corin. 9:6). As we sow generously, we shall reap generously, both naturally and spiritually.
• Luke 12:34 For where your treasure is, there your HEART will be also

 

[OldWiseGuy]

The tithe was specifically for the Levites, as they had no land in ancient Israel. When the Levitical priesthood ended so did the tithing ordinance along with other rituals. It is a good principle if one can afford to follow it. Here in America we are taxed quite heavily. I'm sure another ten per cent tax on gross income from all sources would be difficult if not impossible for many families. There were no other taxes in Israel, though there were some imposed by Rome in Jesus's day (Matthew was a tax collector).

 

[IamAdopted]

When you say tithe are meaning just the money aspect of it?

 

[DaBronx]

I have never once missed the money I have given to my church (mostly 10%, often more)

Never.

 

[Arphaxad12]

Hey Daniels

Your opening post on tithing is absolutely EXCELLENT!

Among the many other blessings I received from the Lord through tithing, He also "raised me up" in this "last day" from abject, dismal poverty to abundant material prosperity. And in spite of what some Christians believe, that's a godly thing!

"I've been rich and I've been poverty-stricken. Rich is better!" Not only that, you can't feed or clothe the poor if you're poor yourself. Money has some very godly uses!

Best Blessings!
Arphaxad
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[Raz]

for those who hold to the 10% rule......

wouldn't tithing OVER 10% be just as disobedient as tithing UNDER 10%????

think about it before you flame........


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[Cooch]

Pardon my asking, but do you eat your tithe before the Lord, as commanded in Deuteronomy 14:23?

Ok, perhaps that qualifies as a cheap shot, but I want it recognised that we can't pick and choose which part of the Tithing law we obey, and which part we disobey.

I have no argument with giving. This was the pattern of the New Testament church, that those who could, gave and those who could not, received.

Therefore I suggest that if you wish to talk of offering as a free-will gift to the Lord, then that is entirely to be applauded. I will even agree with you that 10% is not an inappropriate measure. However I will argue very strongly indeed against the doctrine that Tithing as a legalistic requirement is inconsistent with New Testament scripture.

Thankyou for your consideration.

For the moment.......... Peter

 

[LibraryOwl]

Why I don't believe in tithing:

1. Im a college student
2. I make $150 a week
3. Im a memeber of a wealthy congregation
4. I need ma monah!

 

[Daniels]

You can pay tithe weekly!

 

[IamAdopted]

You can pay tithe weekly!

Do you believe that tithe is just money?

 

[Daniels]

not at all.

1. Give tithe in time.
everyday we ahve 24 hours , tithe in timing 2 hours 24 minutes.

 

[IamAdopted]

not at all.

1. Give tithe in time.
everyday we ahve 24 hours , tithe in timing 2 hours 24 minutes.

Oh I thought that when we become born again we give every minute of our day to the Glory of the Lord. I also believe that all the money in the world belongs to the Lord. So therefore I am just to be a good steward of what He has given me. I also thought that we are to store for ourselves treasure in Heaven and not here on earth. So I guess this tithe bit kind of confuses me.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

There were three distinct tithes in Israel's tithing system, with clear instuctions:

The first tithe is generally called the heave offering and was given directly to the Levites, who then gave a tenth to Aaron. Many scriptures in Leviticus for this.


The second tithe was the festival tithe to be used by the individuals themselves while attending the annual feast days.

Deuteronomy 12:17-18

17Thou mayest not eat within thy gates the tithe of thy corn, or of thy wine, or of thy oil, or the firstlings of thy herds or of thy flock, nor any of thy vows which thou vowest, nor thy freewill offerings, or heave offering of thine hand:

18But thou must eat them before the LORD thy God in the place which the LORD thy God shall choose, thou, and thy son, and thy daughter, and thy manservant, and thy maidservant, and the Levite that is within thy gates: and thou shalt rejoice before the LORD thy God in all that thou puttest thine hands unto.



The third tithe was for widows, orphans, and strangers (foreigners). This tithe was collected every third year. (Or twice in a seven year period, the seventh year being a year of release from all financial obligations.)

Deuteronomy 14:28-29

28At the end of three years thou shalt bring forth all the tithe of thine increase the same year, and shalt lay it up within thy gates:

29And the Levite, (because he hath no part nor inheritance with thee,) and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, which are within thy gates, shall come, and shall eat and be satisfied; that the LORD thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hand which thou doest.

Also tithes were not used for the special holy day, or other, offerings that the Israelites gave on these occasions. They were not to 'appear before the Lord empty(handed)'.

 

[IamAdopted]

There were three distinct tithes in Israel's tithing system, with clear instuctions:

The first tithe is generally called the heave offering and was given directly to the Levites, who then gave a tenth to Aaron. Many scriptures in Leviticus for this.


The second tithe was the festival tithe to be used by the individuals themselves while attending the annual feast days.

Deuteronomy 12:17-18

17Thou mayest not eat within thy gates the tithe of thy corn, or of thy wine, or of thy oil, or the firstlings of thy herds or of thy flock, nor any of thy vows which thou vowest, nor thy freewill offerings, or heave offering of thine hand:

18But thou must eat them before the LORD thy God in the place which the LORD thy God shall choose, thou, and thy son, and thy daughter, and thy manservant, and thy maidservant, and the Levite that is within thy gates: and thou shalt rejoice before the LORD thy God in all that thou puttest thine hands unto.



The third tithe was for widows, orphans, and strangers (foreigners). This tithe was collected every third year. (Or twice in a seven year period, the seventh year being a year of release from all financial obligations.)

Deuteronomy 14:28-29

28At the end of three years thou shalt bring forth all the tithe of thine increase the same year, and shalt lay it up within thy gates:

29And the Levite, (because he hath no part nor inheritance with thee,) and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, which are within thy gates, shall come, and shall eat and be satisfied; that the LORD thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hand which thou doest.

Also tithes were not used for the special holy day, or other, offerings that the Israelites gave on these occasions. They were not to 'appear before the Lord empty(handed)'.

We have a New covenant. I never was born under the Jewish Law and I don't put myself under it now.

 

[StevenL]

Church tithing is nothing more than wicked false teaching. It detracts from the New Covenant Faith. The false teachers have done and are doing exactly as foretold by the apostles.

 

[lamblion]

We have a New covenant. I never was born under the Jewish Law and I don't put myself under it now.

If we are no longer under the Law and are now under the Grace of God provided by our Lord Jesus, then why do we place ourselves outside of Grace and return to this aspect of the Law just to recieve our blessings from God? Why is blessing's from God so much of a influcence of the way of the church?

Did not Christ himself say do not concern yourself with the means of Life and how you shall make it throughout the day's? "Seek ye the kingdom of God, and everything associated with the kingdom will be freely added unto you".

To place tithing as a command to the church age is to eliminate grace, and even worst it is to try to place ourselves as children of God into Isreals standards as the people of God.

We have been given grace. Isreal had no grace, for they had the Law. We should live by grace and faith that was first lived by our saviour Jesus Christ.

 

[Lisabeth]

I believe in spiritual tithing.

This was true of the Old Testament,

but.........Also once you are filled with the fullness of Jesus Christ, you walk into that SAME Melchisedec Priesthood as Jesus. For it is Jesus in you now that will lead and teach by his spirit. You will begin to do the works that Jesus did.(John 14:12)


The Old testament tithes and offerings were a "shadow" or "type" of things to come in the New. The New Testament dose not mention tithes and offerings as in the Old. It is now, by the revelation from Jesus Christ in us, that we know what we are to tithe and offer. It is by his spirit that we now have a spiritual tithing. We are to GIVE of our first fruits. Christ is our first fruit. If we are in Christ and Christ is in us, Christ being the Word of God, we are to GIVE others the True Word of God. This is our spiritual tithing.

Our offerings are spiritual as well. We are to offer God our time before him in prayer and worship in the first part of our day.(this dose not take the place of helping those in need)

Blessings to All,
Lisabeth

 

[Arphaxad12]

Hi Everyone

Before he ever opened his first store, J.C. Penney prayed and promised the Lord 90% of all his profits. The rest is history.

R.G. LeTourneau (Caterpillar Earth Moving Equipment) also gave 90% to God and founded LeTourneau Christian University in Texas.

Henry ford on the other hand only gave 10% to the Lord, and he didn't do too bad either. He even set up and completed an experiment with a wheat crop he grew to prove that tithing works. It's documented at Greenfield Village Museum in Dearborn, Michigan here near Detroit.

There are also many other notable and highly successful tithers who began their tithing BEFORE they had acquired any wealth. They truly "put their money where their mouth is" and realized that "talk is cheap."


Did we all think the Lord just regards the "rules of tithing" in the OT, and not the heart?:
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Rom 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter. (underline and bolding are my own).
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And as far as giving MORE than 10%: I sincerely believe that's just a "dodge." My answer: Let's see someone give the tenth first! In most cases that much would be a HUGE accomplishment.

Also, in my opinion that "food/produce" thing is just another "dodge," created by going back under the Law and "straining at a gnat" just to distract from and minimize the spirit of tithing with Old Testament Jewish Law. Unless possibly some people really think the Lord is that much of a rule-bound "Stiff."



I have tithed for years and I not only haven't missed the money, but I constantly seek every opportunity possible to "invest" my money by participating financially in the Lord's work. Even if I don't bring corn, olive oil and wine, I promise you the Lord honors the Law of sowing and reaping regardless:
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2Cr 9:6 But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully. (underlines and bolding are my own).
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Big news: Paul is talking about money here! Food doesn't always keep, store or transport that well, but "Money answers all things."

"Faithful are the wounds of a friend, many the kisses of an enemy." Sorry for the "wounds," but I gotta call 'em as I see 'em.


I don't believe these proverbs have ever become invalid with the New Covenant. They are the reality of life as it really is:
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Pro 19:7 All the brethren of the poor do hate him: how much more do his friends go far from him? he pursueth them with words, yet they are wanting to him.

Ecc 9:16 Then said I, Wisdom is better than strength: nevertheless the poor man's wisdom is despised, and his words are not heard.

(underlines and bolding emphases are my own)
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Modern version: "a friend in need is a bloody nuisance!"
--Benny Hill


"Sinning is thinning,"
"Arph"
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[lamblion]

Hi Everyone

Before he ever opened his first store, J.C. Penney prayed and promised the Lord 90% of all his profits. The rest is history.

R.G. LeTourneau (Caterpillar Earth Moving Equipment) also gave 90% to God and founded LeTourneau Christian University in Texas.

Henry ford on the other hand only gave 10% to the Lord, and he didn't do too bad either. He even set up and completed an experiment with a wheat crop he grew to prove that tithing works. It's documented at Greenfield Village Museum in Dearborn, Michigan here near Detroit.

There are also many other notable and highly successful tithers who began their tithing BEFORE they had acquired any wealth. They truly "put their money where their mouth is" and realized that "talk is cheap."


Did we all think the Lord just regards the "rules of tithing" in the OT, and not the heart?:
============================
Rom 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter. (underline and bolding are my own).
===============================


And as far as giving MORE than 10%: I sincerely believe that's just a "dodge." My answer: Let's see someone give the tenth first! In most cases that much would be a HUGE accomplishment.

Also, in my opinion that "food/produce" thing is just another "dodge," created by going back under the Law and "straining at a gnat" just to distract from and minimize the spirit of tithing with Old Testament Jewish Law. Unless possibly some people really think the Lord is that much of a rule-bound "Stiff."



I have tithed for years and I not only haven't missed the money, but I constantly seek every opportunity possible to "invest" my money by participating financially in the Lord's work. Even if I don't bring corn, olive oil and wine, I promise you the Lord honors the Law of sowing and reaping regardless:
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2Cr 9:6 But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully. (underlines and bolding are my own).
=========================

Big news: Paul is talking about money here! Food doesn't always keep, store or transport that well, but "Money answers all things."

"Faithful are the wounds of a friend, many the kisses of an enemy." Sorry for the "wounds," but I gotta call 'em as I see 'em.


I don't believe these proverbs have ever become invalid with the New Covenant. They are the reality of life as it really is:
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Pro 19:7 All the brethren of the poor do hate him: how much more do his friends go far from him? he pursueth them with words, yet they are wanting to him.

Ecc 9:16 Then said I, Wisdom is better than strength: nevertheless the poor man's wisdom is despised, and his words are not heard.

(underlines and bolding emphases are my own)
===================================

Modern version: "a friend in need is a bloody nuisance!"
--Benny Hill


"Sinning is thinning,"
"Arph"
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He is not talking about money. Very rarely does the Spirit relate the blessings of God as money or material things, but it is in most cases related to those things which are Spiritual; eternal; and not something that could be taken away by the enemy.

 

[Arphaxad12]

hey lamblion

I know what you're saying. I always tithe 150% SPIRITUALLY. It's a LOT cheaper that way!

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Proverbs 28:27 He that giveth unto the poor shall not lack: but he that hideth his eyes shall have many a curse.

Pro 22:9 He that hath a bountiful eye shall be blessed; for he giveth of his bread to the poor.

Pro 19:17 He that hath pity upon the poor lendeth unto the LORD; and that which he hath given will he pay him again.

Pro 21:13 Whoso stoppeth his ears at the cry of the poor, he also shall cry himself, but shall not be heard.

Pro 28:8 He that by usury and unjust gain increaseth his substance, he shall gather it for him that will pity the poor.

Pro 29:7 The righteous considereth the cause of the poor: but the wicked regardeth not to know it.

Pro 29:14 The king that faithfully judgeth the poor, his throne shall be established for ever.

Pro 31:10-12 Who can find a virtuous woman? for her price is far above rubies
11 The heart of her husband doth safely trust in her, so that he shall have no need of spoil.

12 She will do him good and not evil all the days of her life.

Pro 31:20 She stretcheth out her hand to the poor; yea, she reacheth forth her hands to the needy.

(underlines and bolding are my own).
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lamblion, why do you suppose money was invented in the first place? Do you suppose folks got tired paying their debts in chickens, sheep and grain? Money was a LOT more convenient and exact and caused a lot less arguments:
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Ecc 10:19 A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things.

(underline and bolding is my own).
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Send me your address and I'll bless you with a couple of chickens or a goat by UPS or FedEx.

Sinning is thinning,,
Arphaxad
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