Why I am a Calvinist, defense of TULIP

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Predestined = A PLAN with a PATH

Romans 8:29
For those ""God foreknew"" he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters.

This notion of your future is at birth already decided is FALSE. Does God already know what all will choose. YES HE DOES. He knows because He has already seen the future. However, every individual must choose for themselves.

God predestined a "PATH" with the "PLAN" of salvation before creation & time began.

The "PATH & PLAN" are predestined by one choosing to place thier faith in GOD'S PRE-PLANNED PATH.

Genesis 24:58 And they called Rebekah, and said unto her, Wilt thou go with this man? And she said, I will go.
(SHE HAD A CHOICE & CHOSE)

John 3:16, Romans 10:13 & Acts 2:21 All proclaim:

WHOSOEVER shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved
(The "PATH" & "PLAN" are predestined. The choice is made by the individual No one is born saved. And the Faith choice of salvation is NEVER forced)

It's not before birth that justification & salvation happen.

It's happens at the point of placing ones faith in the: Sin Atoning Death, Burial & Resurrection Of the Lord Jesus Christ.
A PERSONAL CHOICE. AGAIN, NEVER FORCED!

If people are predestined to be saved. What is the point of the Lords suffering on the cross?

Same question for the Law Keeping doctrine pundits. If salvation comes thru your great works. What is the point of the Lords suffering on the cross?

Three scripture's for the Law Lovers trapped in OT Law doctrine:

Romans 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Galatians 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
(IF YOU'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE SALVATION BY YOUR OWN WORKS IN LAW KEEPING. YOU HAVE FALLEN FROM GRACE!)

Savlation is a faith choice: You're not born with it & you can't earn it.

Ephesians 2:
8 "By grace" are ye saved" ""through faith" "not of yourselves" it is the "gift" of God
(THROUGH FAITH: NOT AT OR BEFORE BIRTH!)

9 "Not of works" "lest any man should boast"

The Predestined "Plan & Path" is found in: The Gospel Jesus Christ!

Who ever will CHOOSE to: Place thier Faith in the: Sin Atoning Death, Burial & Resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ.

WHO ARE THESE PREDESTINATION YOU POST WRITTEN TO?

Ephesians 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, ""to the saints which are at Ephesus"", and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:
(^Written to BELIEVERS at Ephesus & other BELIEVERS^)

Ephesians 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
( ^ WRITTEN TO & APPLIES TO BELIEVERS ONLY^)

Ephesians 1:5 - Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
(^^ WRITTEN TO & APPLIES TO BELIEVERS ONLY^^)

Romans 1:7 To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, """called to be saints"""": Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.
(^Written to BELIEVERS in Rome^)

Romans 8:28-30 - And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to [his] purpose.
(^ WRITTEN TO & APPLIES TO BELIEVERS ONLY^)

Romans 8:29 - For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate [to be] conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
(^ WRITTEN TO & APPLIES TO BELIEVERS ONLY^)

1 Peter 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and """"sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ""": Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
(^Written to those sprinkled in the blood of Jesus Christ^)

1 Peter 1:20 - Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
(APPLIES ONLY TO THOSE REDEEMED BY THE BLOOD. AGAIN BELIEVERS ONLY)

John 6:44 - No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
(GOOD GRIEF. EVERYBODY WILL BE RAISED ON THE LAST DAY. BELIEVERS TO ETERNAL LIFE, UNBELEVERS TO ETERNAL SEPERATION)

2 Timothy 1:To Timothy, my dearly beloved son: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord.
(^Written to Timothy a BELIEVER^)

2 Timothy 1:9 - Who hath saved us, and called [us] with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
(WRITTEN TO TIMOTHY. A BELIEVER)

John 15:16 - Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and [that] your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.
(JESUS IS ALONE WITH, AND ONLY SPEAKING TO, HIS TWELVE CHOSEN!!!)

Ephesians 1:11-12 - In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:
(^^^ WRITTEN TO & APPLIES TO BELIEVERS ONLY^^^)

Acts 13:48 - And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.
(WHO WERE THE MANY ORDAINED??? BELIEVERS!!!!)

Your implication these scriptures are written to & apply to everyone is false.

Each one of these scriptures are written to & apply to BELIEVERS only.
 
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What is your scripture that tells you this?

A) When was the book written?
Revelation 13:8 - And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

B) Of Those who will be in heaven, Must their names must be in the book of life?
Revelation 20:15 - And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
 
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A) When was the book written?
Revelation 13:8 - And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

B) Of Those who will be in heaven, Must their names must be in the book of life?
Revelation 20:15 - And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
So you are assuming who Christ died for based on the book of Revelation when it has already been defined that Christ died for the sins of all mankind.
 
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So you are assuming who Christ died for based on the book of Revelation when it has already been defined that Christ died for the sins of all mankind.

I believe that Christ died for his sheep, whose names are written in the Book of Life, just as scripture says.

Your saying Christ died everyone, just for an example, for Hitler, Osama Bin Laden, and rapists?
 
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I believe that Christ died for his sheep, whose names are written in the Book of Life, just as scripture says.

Your saying Christ died everyone, just for an example, for Hitler, Osama Bin Laden, and rapists?
Right. You have said what you believe. But that does not make your beliefs Biblical.

That is your theology. People come up with all types of wrong theology.
 
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Right. You have said what you believe. But that does not make your beliefs Biblical.

That is your theology. People come up with all types of wrong theology.

How did Christ die for everyone? Heavens forbid, you can't even consider that So Christ died for terrible sinners such as Hitler, and all the rapists, and pedophiles?
 
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How did Christ die for everyone? Heavens forbid, you can't even consider that So Christ died for terrible sinners such as Hitler, and all the rapists, and pedophiles?
Is it your decision or God's?

Christ conquered sin and spiritual death.

You are limiting those Christ died for so you can support that God only died for the elect. But Gods Word says a doctor does not come for the well, but for the sick. Christ can forgive a rapist and turn them from their sin. Or is your God not powerful enough?
 
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Is it your decision or God's?

Christ conquered sin and spiritual death.

You are limiting those Christ died for so you can support that God only died for the elect. But Gods Word says a doctor does not come for the well, but for the sick. Christ can forgive a rapist and turn them from their sin. Or is your God not powerful enough?


Your side stepping from the fact that people who die without repenting or accepting Christ, and who lived and died immoral, you can not say Christ died for them, you can't. Because he didn't! If he did, they would have repented, and believed and be in heaven.

Therefore, Christ did not die for all.
 
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Your side stepping from the fact that people who die without repenting or accepting Christ, and who lived and died immoral, you can not say Christ died for them, you can't. Because he didn't! If he did, they would have repented, and believed and be in heaven.

Therefore, Christ did not die for all.
You do not understand who Christ died for because it does not fit into the rest of your theology.

Remove your other theology and just study who Christ died for and see what you find.
 
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Your side stepping from the fact that people who die without repenting or accepting Christ, and who lived and died immoral, you can not say Christ died for them, you can't. Because he didn't! If he did, they would have repented, and believed and be in heaven.

Therefore, Christ did not die for all.
Your sidestepping the post you replied to.

You said God or Christ did not die for rapists. Sorry, you do not decide who God forgives or does not forgive. If you were Biblical, you would know there is ONLY ONE unforgiveable sin and rape is not it.

So all your theology must be Biblical. Or else God lied.

So again, God does not and cannot forgive rapists?
 
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Your sidestepping the post you replied to.

You said God or Christ did not die for rapists. Sorry, you do not decide who God forgives or does not forgive. If you were Biblical, you would know there is ONLY ONE unforgiveable sin and rape is not it.

So all your theology must be Biblical. Or else God lied.

So again, God does not and cannot forgive rapists?


Okay, let me start over, forgive my previous posts about this matter.

I do not know who Christ died for.

Is it fair to say, someone who never repented or trusted Christ, (even no bedside repentance) Someone who is going to hell, for their unbelief, would it be fair to say Christ died for them? - I would say no. So let's say there are murderers and rapists, very evil people, who never repented, never trusted Christ, lived their life in terrible sin, until the second they die, and didn't try to ask for forgiveness like the their on the cross did. You can't say Christ died for them. He did not!

Yes anyone can at anytime accept Christ and ask for forgiveness, but you cant say Christ died for everyone, because he did not.
 
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