Why hijab?

[Philothei]

It can be made of silk for the ones who cares about materials but not spirits. A prostitute can wear Hijab and walk on streets trying to fish for men and money, taking Islam as a protection. She can trick people but she can't trick the Almighty. But people will still look at her as a very religious woman.
A respectable woman can walk without Hijab and she can wear decent clothes also but in her way she will encourage men to look at her and she will be in prostitution, seduction business without being involved in a relationship.
But what if we take the Hijab and let a respectable woman wear it. Won't the image of perfection is complete, pure and decent from inside and outside.
And you keep on taking us back to the starting point.
What's inside reflects on the outside. Inside belongs to the Almighty and outside is the humans way to judge you.
Freedom is to move and to act without stepping into someone's property.
Hijab means to wear it around your neck and to cover your ears and hair with.
No showy parts of the breast, no short sleeves, no tight shirts or dresses to show the details of your body, no tight jeans and short T.Shirts, no belly showing, no shorts, no micro skirts, no short skirts.
And all the above you can wear with limitations infront of your family and your friends ( girls) and you have no limits with what you wear infront of your husband.
This point lead us to talk about men. It is not only the woman who is asked to be decent and pure while men are free to do whatever they want. They are also asked to treat the woman with respect but not with a big question in the mind which is what will happen after talking to her?
A decent woman can't walk properly if men are staring at her. A decent woman will be embarrassed if men are saying words that describe the woman's beauty which is an impolite action to be done.
Beautiful women and the attractive ones know themselves and don't need reminders.
Just save your energy for your future wives.

You are contradicting yourself by saying the hijab made out of silk is for prostitutes... Then you admit that it is not such a good "method" against either prostitution or agaisnt adultery... so its usage is moot... either way... How can it make a woman modest if a silk one proves to make her a prostitute? Then I was right all along that it does not matter... A woman dressed modesty would be better yet than a woman with a "fancy" hijab...






This has to do with following a plan that you may not understand or you may feel it is not necessary with no extra explanations to you. Be humble and obey the Creator's commands.
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And no one want that experience to go through.
No one enters the Heaven with a pepper size of Vain in his/her heart.
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My God does not "obligate" me... So leave Him out of it... You just admit to that fancy hijab can be as vain...so point is moot. Your curses sound pretty much moot as they do not relate to what you believe... or rather trying to apply Mulsim standards about the usage of hijab to me... That is not going to persuade me that hijab is ok to be obligatory.

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Otherwise, we don't need teachers, doctors, granparents, lawyers...etc to ask them for an advise. Hijab is a Holy advise. And Holy means not mistaken and the danger it is warning you from is beyond your imagination.

"holy advice"? why God did not tell that to Adam and Eve or even Moses? he waited until 6th century AD to tell your prophet....strange you do not wonder why?

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Religion should not 'fence you in" actually religion should 'bring you out' not to be "afraid of others and suspicious of others" quite the opposite.The reason we have walls should be against heat and cold and the elements. We need no walls if we are truly humans and we use our logic not to harm others.
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Then why do people wear clothes? If it is only to protect their private parts then let them be just like the jungle men and put big leaves on their private parts and that's it.
You wear clothes to cover your body. Then why a topless man regarded as an impolite man?
Why wearing very short skirts is regarded impolite?
Do you think theat the Almighty doesn't know that there will be times when women will wear such undecent clothes?
But He gave you the command to the part ( the head ) to cover and of course you will match the head cover with decent clothes. Because it is not acceptable to walk with bikini and a head scarf.
The Almighty gives us headlines and we should of be able to understand what's the good thing to do and how to interpret those commands.
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Jungle men are the ones who go around with very little and most they do not. Topless men...really why God is not "upset" with men who are topless?? why in Islam i see topless men and women in hijab? why God would be so one sided? Bikini and head scarf....hmmm... that is a very interesting thought... I wonder if mulsim women are allowed to go to the beach... Can men control themselves around those women? or they blame it on the hijab and they become like animals? Man can go to the beach ...but women cannot?

So.... you are protecting yourself with the hijab as so that men will not be that? ARe men wild animals? I think not...
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Would you please switch your attention to my words and read the article as one piece because you will be lost if you keep on picking sentences to understand them the way you like. When I brought the example of animals as what we take them as brainless creatures, they know more than humans and they have a natural protection to them although they walk with same kind animals. The protection I am talking about is not only the men with negative thinking toward women, but I am talking about what else we will give up after Hijab?

what else? Giving up hijab for the sake of "seeing" and "walking" normal without fear of falling down it someone trips.... that is all. Women can voluntarily wear head scarf but...to enforce it is not a piety symbol as it is obligatory. I think that the more the women will be given a choice the best it will be for the people who are not Muslim to understand islam.... as their first question about Islam is its laws and prohibitions its legalism...

Women who decided to give up Hijab are single moms, their daughters are pregnant illegaly, they live with their boyfriends as a husnband and a wife, some of them have abnormal relations even with animals? What else do you want us to give up after Hijab? Forbidden Videos are made of forbidden relationships for everyone to watch by the ones who don't wear Hijab. What else do you want us to give up after Hijab? Night clubs for naked people were built. Night clubs for stripteasers were built. Is that the freedom you are talking about? The Freedom of disease and sickness?
You blame us for being so decent with Hijab and so uncivilized by not opening such places for everyone to go to and then new big hospitals are built to cure the mistakes of freedom. Billions of doctors work in laboratories to cure the results of your sins.

wow ....what a generalization!!!! the hijab does not persuade a woman not to become a prostitute since there are prostitutes who wear them.......but the ones who do not wear it they are all that?

Now you quoque with the "hospitals"... You already admitted that the hijab does not make a "desent" woman and that women can be as bad and wear hijabs... Now you go back again to "defend" the hijab as the salvation of all ills... How come you have crimes then...esp. family crimes and prostitution etc... if hijab is the cure??

Is that the aim of life? To live to have pleasures and to get sick and die.
What a nice dream for a narrow minded people.
Hijab is a sign for chastity, I lived a clean life and I will die pure. In the Creator's will- Insha' Allah.

Hijab is a sing of chastity for women and also a sign of slavery... for them as they abide to that custom not out of their own free will but the will of men... ********************

I am not taught that the world is my enemy... I am told that I came to love the world and my fellow man not to look upon them with suspicion.

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You are taught to fall in love with every cute man you see with no limits.
You are taught to not drink alcohol until you reach 21.
You are taught that virgin girls are stupid and the girls who have more than one relationship are clever ones.
Your knowledghe is the knowledge of Desires that won't be full and will always seek for more. Your knowledge is the knowledge of ( How to Go to Hell?).
Because Hell out of anger asked the Almighty to fill it with sinners and can't get enough till the Almighty put His foot in it to enjoy torturing the sinners.
This knowledge just took you to the extreme. Churchs are built for girls to marry girls and boys to marry boys. Is that a Holy knowledge?
Why decent clothed buisness woman go to work and have forbidden relations in the bathrooms?
Did the decent clothes stopped them from being sinners.
It is the belief and nothing but the FAITH which will make you obey everything the Creator asks you to do without questioning.
You all lived you lives and enjoyed every second in it but this joy you had will be a forward price you payed to not have the after life joy unless the Almighty forgives you after stopping all the bad deeds and starting a new clean life.

Your "you"s are very inflamatory and I would recomend you refrain to be personal here.... My personal life has nothing to be spoken off but again that is like you.....To attack personally so that you discredit the person you converse with.... How typical ....hmmmm...


All the ills you describe about Chritians are your last try to defend Islam by accusing Christianity... go on... as whatever you say is not any significance to the topic.

Christianity has nothing to do with you defending the hijab as you have in your society as many ills... Did hijab helped with your prostitution? NO

did it help with family cirme? NO
Did it help with adultery ? No

no need to go on... Human nature does not chage because of hijab. It is rather better to "teach" men to control their instincts from a young age to respect someone's private life and space than to "cover" the women....

I can see that you have a sense of humor but I can't laugh because the situation is more serious than any can ever imagine.
When the Almighty is angry, no one will do anything more than what have been done.
And I also can see that your only concern is life. How to live, how to enjoy life, how to be happy, how to keep everything you want, but a very simple thing to do you are not ready to do for the Sake of the Almighty.
Then maybe you need more disasters in your life to learn.

That is totally Off topic another attack on my life...

Blessed people are the ones who obey without questioning and cursed ones can't get the devil out of their minds and he speaks in their behalf.
Well, if the helmet is my Hijab then this means that I am driving a dangerous vehicle on a road that is not gauranteed to be safe.
Can't you see the similarities?

No.... I can only see some fanatical statements and denial to see how the rest of the world sees Islam... i do not blame you though as you have no choice but to defend it... by doing so though you have to realize you perpetuate a wolrld of oppression for women who are told to wear burcas and they live a life of that of an animal seeing the world through a cloth.... how fair is that?

So, we are back to the point of Prejudice idea of tell me what you wear and I will judge you. If I speak then it is me, my personality, my faith, my knowledge , my wit speak but not my 2008 Hebbie Hijab.
Your ideas are so old. And they are held by the women who are fighting for their rights and reached nowhere because they are trying hard to copy men. And there is a big huge difference between them. But those kinds of women can't see it.

Oppression of women is old their liberation from oppression is new... You got things mixed up here....I am not that sort... of woman. I do believe in equality but not in movements. So then again you are judging me too...

I am not a "westerner" I am also a Greek and consider myself traditional.

The last ones to call for woman rights are the religious Christian ladies, nuns, religious Jewish ladies and real Muslim ladies.
Would you please tell me why?
Or poor ladies, they don't know what's good for them.
Oh, they are so pathatic. Let us let them take off their veil and Hijab to let them be free.
Let them tie their hair up and fly into the sky with their helicopter bony tails. Let them be free.

To Be Continued. In the Almighty's will.

Because "women's lib" as movement has nothing to do with women in the society (now someone will come and dispute this for sure...but ah...whaterver) We, women who are not of that movement can be also advocates of women's equal treatment... You do not have to be a feminist to advocate humane ways of treating women in a global sense...

No nothing about the hair etc... it is about dignity...

 

[Philothei]

Some women aren't given a choice.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jcz3TYqWpwc

These poor Saudi girls are wearing abayas and are still being sexually harassed. It is apparent that dressing modestly (even excessively so where one can't even be seen as a real person with a face) doesn't seem to affect things when it comes to how Muslim women are treated on the streets. This is so sad.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqhxNMIGum0

Both were so distrurbing ... And to imagine that there is a "hijab" police to police even tourists.... how incredibly sad indeed...


The second video was even worse... That is how "untrained" men are? to attack even young teens??? gross. I could not watch it to the end... That did not seem to me that hijab is stoping any act of violence towards women as they are looked upon with so much disrespect:o.... i did not see those guys to care if hijab was the "advice' from Allah and thus to respect it... on the contrary.....

 

[dnihila]

You are contradicting yourself by saying the hijab made out of silk is for prostitutes... Then you admit that it is not such a good "method" against either prostitution or agaisnt adultery... so its usage is moot... either way... How can it make a woman modest if a silk one proves to make her a prostitute? Then I was right all along that it does not matter... A woman dressed modesty would be better yet than a woman with a "fancy" hijab...

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Would you please tell me where exactly I say that Silk is for prositutes.
I need to see that quote in here, please!
Then we may complete this conversation.
An honest debater stick to his words.

 

[Philothei]

Hijab or not.... it is not enough to "cover' for women's fault in honor killings....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9KIdKCq6YE&feature=related

 

[Philothei]

It can be made of silk for the ones who cares about materials but not spirits. A prostitute can wear Hijab and walk on streets trying to fish for men and money, taking Islam as a protection. She can trick people but she can't trick the Almighty. But people will still look at her as a very religious woman.

Post # 99

You do mention that hijab (any not only silk) can be used by a prostitute...just the same.

 

[dnihila]

Post # 99

You do mention that hijab (any not only silk) can be used by a prostitute...just the same.

Let's just read what you have said again:
You are contradicting yourself by saying the hijab made out of silk is for prostitutes... Then you admit that it is not such a good "method" against either prostitution or agaisnt adultery... so its usage is moot... either way... How can it make a woman modest if a silk one proves to make her a prostitute? Then I was right all along that it does not matter... A woman dressed modesty would be better yet than a woman with a "fancy" hijab...


Me- dnihila- a human who speaks to another human -you-Philothie- is put into a made up conversation???? Then no matter how many times the Creator is trying to send you messages through Moses, through Jesus then Muhammed ( peace be upon them all) and you just missed it the first time, the second time and the third time.
manupulating words to serve a sinful thought. That's why you didn't get it since Moses.
I am not surprised that you misunderstood GOD.
And something else. Weren't you taught to be polite when you talk about GOD. Saying "Leave Him out of it" What is He to you?
Whom do you think you are talking about?Where is respect?

People will be left alone for the stone heart of theirs that even respect can't be shown in their words.
- he waited until 6th century AD to tell your prophet....
-why God would be so one sided
If that's your language in talking about Allah/God/YHWH and a Holy religion such as Islam , then I won't be surprised to see you teach us nothing about Chrsitianity and Judasim.
If (you ) is bothering you then I will say:
some women says that Muslim women are oppressed with Hijab as a manly power upon them, right?
That's not true. Because men can't do anything without following Holy commands. Prophet Muhammed ( peace be upon him) didn't tell them to make women wear black and didn't tell them to make women cover their faces. So those men have been misled by following their own wishes and plans.
But if we look at Sunnah we won't find anything mentioned by the prophet to tell women to cover their faces. At least to ask his comanions' wives to follow the way the prophet wives are wearing Hijab in.
Then people who are doing this are not following Sunnah but a custom.
Uncovering the face and the hands is a must in the prayer to stand infront of the Almighty, the Great One, so how about people? slaves of the Creator?
Will they be more important than the Creator Himself? Of course not. Then what the prophet said about uncovering the face and the hands was true about the true Hijab. Because if we take the word, only in the prayer then this means that the woman is not allowed to take off her Hijab even in her own house or people may say that only in prayer she is allowed to cover but in her life she is not asked to cover her body except her face and her hands.
If you leave the house and you need to pray then how will you pray while you are bare headed and you knnes are showing?
You will have the cover for the prayer to pray, then this show that you can't feel the Almighty in all life matters, only in the prayer, only in the mosque. And that's not true. The Almighty is everywhere witnessing everything all the time.
Then we all agree that what's inside reflects in the outside.
And we are not in Heaven yet to say that people got rid of their sinful nature.
When I see a Hawaiian resturant somewhere with eaters all over the place and girls on Hawiian customs on stages prsenting a show for people to eat and they did that because they need money. That's the slavery not Hijab. Anger of God be on life without dignity, Anger of God be on the ones who enslave women for their own desires.

(A free woman never eats from her breasts) This was a hadith by the prophet ( peace be upon him). Which means that what the world is doing to women is the real slavery not the Hijab.
Imagine a woman with Hijab in such place and standing on stage, won't they ask her to take off her Hijab to see her full beauty?
Let's just face it. "The real freedom is in chastity and dignity."
And who is the model of Chastity to all Jews, Christians and Muslims, it is Virgin Mary.
Just look at her:

She is my example? Who is yours?

 

[Philothei]

Do not mind how things are said and God is the judge for my respect to Him... Not yours. Stop judging me because it is not any of your business...Just asnwer the questions. You are getting too personal and your attacks to me are nothing but proof of your inability to cope with the issue that God did not wait until the 6th centuray to tell women to cover... period.. The pics you put prove nothing just that it was customary for women to cover those days and today they do not.... We have no hadiths no koran to tell us to cover... and the covering is for worshiping purposes... I said that before and will say no more as that all is off topic..

Women in Islam are obligated to wear it and forced by their husbands or fathers.... and that is that.

You are doing nothing but trying really hard to atribute the practice of hijab in your muslim religion for the Jews and Christians and that is just not true. We do not have obligatory laws in our religion... You cannot justify it by saying that..

 

[MahaSudarshanChakra]

I think the practise of wearing hijab is ok and the reasons provided by EK11 are quite sensible. However I find it a discriminatory practise against women - men should also wear the hijab by counter argument. Why is it that chastity is being imposed only on the women?

Each society and culture has its needs. It is possible to accomodate a number of varying social and religeous customs in this manner. But there should not be discrimination within the culture itself. One rule for men and one rule for women makes no sense. If both men and women are wearing hijab it makes perfect sense. Otherwise it is discriminatory against the women. Women may not complain but it is still wrong. Maybe it was allright in the medieval Arabia but not in this modern age.

 

[dnihila]

Do not mind how things are said and God is the judge for my respect to Him... Not yours. Stop judging me because it is not any of your business...Just asnwer the questions. You are getting too personal and your attacks to me are nothing but proof of your inability to cope with the issue that God did not wait until the 6th centuray to tell women to cover... period.. The pics you put prove nothing just that it was customary for women to cover those days and today they do not.... We have no hadiths no koran to tell us to cover... and the covering is for worshiping purposes... I said that before and will say no more as that all is off topic..

Women in Islam are obligated to wear it and forced by their husbands or fathers.... and that is that.

You are doing nothing but trying really hard to atribute the practice of hijab in your muslim religion for the Jews and Christians and that is just not true. We do not have obligatory laws in our religion... You cannot justify it by saying that..

You are not selling Hijabs niether buying them then keep your hands away from Hijabs. It is just like putting your two hands on Mary ( peace be upon her) and that won't ever happen not even on my dead body.
If you are saying that women at Mary's time were taking Hijab as a custom to wear but not as a religious practice, then Mary as the chosen woman among all women till today would of be bare headed for the chastity in her soul but not for the way she dressed.
If religion is nothing but spirituals then we would of see naked religious men or women telling us that " we go to churchs, mosques or synagogues and we are religious but this is our body and we are free to make choices in life.
If your faith is not strong enough from inside it won't reflect on the outside. If you left the Holy Books and prefered to watch TV as a source of information then you have no right to talk about religious practices.
The Creator is everywhere and if you think that He is so weak to allow another Jewish or Muslim Creator to compete Him , then you are so mistaken because this will show that one of the three Religions Gods is the True One and if He is the strongest one why did the other religion appear?
Why their is Christianity, Why there is Islam? What you can't get is that the Creator is One and His messangers are many because you people couldn't learn from the times of Noah. Waiting for Hell to be presented infront of your eyes to know that what have been sent was the TRUTH.
Many women will say, Who can be like Mary the role model of chastity for all women- humans and jinns? Did the History give us another Mary?
It didn't. Because you people spent millions of years thinking that your religion is the real one and forgetting that part of the faith is to admit the existance of the other two Holy religions.
What you and other woman miss in here is that you didn't even try to reach Mary's rank, the example of chastity for all women all over the world and in all times. We can call our daoughters Mary, Mariam, Merriam,Maria...etc but that will be a title ,a shallow title that many gave to restaurants or shops or cakes...etc but have you ever tried to raise yourselves and your children to have such a pure character such as her.
The Miracle that happened to her is for all people to learn from. It is not for women at her time otherwise you will be calling people to forget about Mary and go on in their lives because Mary is not here now and she is also an old fashioned one that according to you followed the customs of her time.
Then I will be no longer a true Muslims believer if I deny a single fact about Mary, you are no longer a believer if you deny something she was doing out of being a religious woman to be a victim of customs at her time. To be chosen means to have qualities that other women don't have. To be chosen means to be pure and religious and I am not surprised to see another women who is like her. And I am not surprised to see you attacking Hijab and saying that Mary was following the customs of her time. Well, religious Jewish ladies, Christian Nuns and Muslims women are still alive and they wear Head covers, Surprise!!!!!
The Almighty is never mistaken by chossing Mary. But He is right for not choosing you to talk in behalf of women but in your own behalf.
In this thread, you are presenting yourself. and the honest one will present all women, will think of all women not only herself.
Let's reverse the picture, We all know Mary's story , right. And to you , she wore Hijab as a custom. Let's look at women these days, aren't they wearing whatever they want for the sake of fashion? And didn't even make up their minds on one fashionable line.
And they achieved nothing further than their own shadows because their concern is themselves but not others. That's what Mary didn't think of, she didn't choose to dress up like any woman who likes to be the centre of attention to avoid putting herself and others into sin.
While nowadays woman can't help to resist the seduction of looking good and centre of attention pretending that it is their character.
Your character is not what you wear, it is your mentality.
That's why we see insane people leave their houses without clothes on. That's the first action to do or tearing their clothes apart. The same thing for drunk people.
To many wearing Hijab is like moving in a shell so isolated from the world around you, but that is not true. I saw the fall of many women who didn't wear Hijab. and I saw the sin that was committed and the guilty was not Hijab.
What hurts my feelings is to see women like being like a tool in the hands of the feelings players, cheaters, liars, oppressors, from both sides men and women. And the one who falls in that seduction is the one who left his/her religion behind.
This piece of cloth you thought is obligatory is the flag of my country ( The Kingdom of Peace and Love ) that I carry around wherever I go to. And whenever you recieve that undecent look from men, this means that you are undecent.
Some women may say, well I am happy and proud of my hair that I don't want to cover but the thing they forgot about is that they don't live alone:
How many women have curly hair?
How many women have blond hair?
How many women have black hair?
How many women have straight hair?
How many women have cancer?
How many women lost their hair?
How many women thier hair turned white?
How many woman suffer from thin hair?
How many women have long hair?
How many woman have short hair?
You just kicked all those away for having a healthy hair that you want to complete the image of you by showing it.
Can you as a human guarantee tomorrow? Do you know what will happen?
But the Almighty knows everything and for the knowledge of His, He commanded you and everyone to wear Hijab.
You can shed tears on the ones who suffer but that means nothing to them but when you say that we are all the same this will make them feel better. You can't change your skin tone but you can show the world that no women is better than the other by changing the thing that you can change as a human.
Without noticing it, you are humilating others by sending the message of "I am better than you" Saying well, I am blessed with blond, black, brown....etc hair and you are not. I have white, black, brown, ....etc skin and you are not.
I have slim or fat legs and you are not.
I have belly or flat stomach and you are not.
My body shape is better than yours.
Which means that the only concern for women will be:
How to look pretty?
How to copy each other?
How to have no character?
How to spend more time infront of mirror?
How to go to doctors to make plastic surgeries to have a prettier face because you thought that the Creator- Greatness to Him - made a mistake that you want to repair?
The funny thing about plastic surgery that all women leave the clinique with the same features. They are just copying each other and that's not how the Creator created them. It is such an ungrateful to do such a thing.
And to show people that you are so blessed with a nice body is ungrateful, too. Because that will be concedered cheating to your husband because other men are sharing you with him even without a real relationship.
You are saying that with Hijab women will look the same, that's right and that's the way they are infront of the Creator.
But the only thing will make them different is :
If they committed a sin and didn' ask for forgiveness then they will be punished.
Because whenever you commit a sin then this sin will be repeated all over your life because you have got over the bad feelings of doing something bad and regretting to you is nothing more than minutes that a glass of wine may took away and lead into another crime if not to anyone ,it will be to your brain.
The meaning of sin is not things you do by yourself, it is things you may lead others to do. Even the slight feeling of a woman which her beauty is not compared to yours. By wearing clothes that she might wear but looking at her is different than looking at you because you are more beautiful. But when you wear Hijab you are telling her that our spirits are the same and we are all sisters in the Love of the Almighty.
Why do you always consider lack of beauty for the body, the face or the hair is what made a woman wear Hijab?
Why do women with no Hijab attract men attention?
I will tell you the answer:
Because they are easy to get. One chat and she will be in the hands of anyone, as a boy friend as a room mate...etc.
Tell me how can you get rid of flirt, chasing and crazy fans...etc.
just wear Hijab.
Why?
Because people outside your house don't know who are you and don't know what's inside your heart but if you wear Hijab , they will know what mentality you have.
A devil worshipper may wear decent clothes. An unbeliever may wear undecent clothes but the ones who carry the wit and the strong personality are the ones who surrender to their strong faith and they obey the Creator.

Queen of Chastity is not an old time story for the fact that the Creator is not dead and have never died, The Creator is Alive and His lessons remain forever.
Through Moses, through Jesus, through Muhammed ( peace be upon them all).
It is time for you all to wake up and learn.

 

[Philothei]

A devil worshipper may wear decent clothes.

Also a hijab... thus your point is moot. The clothing does not prove how pious one is... That is why in Christianity it is a moot point...

As far as in Christianity then....
Even for Mary as Mary and all women in that time and in Judaism did that as per their society they were in. Religion told them to do it too for the reasons of "modesty" not as a "obligation" thus today that we are not "slaves" to the Law of God Christ told us to follow the spirit of the Law... and Christians dress modest cause we do not adhere to the "law" as love is above the law. We obey Christ and His commandments and in His commandments it does not say to cover our heads as women. It actually says "there is no female or male .....in Christ Jesus" so your insistance about the covering be part of tradition is void... of any truth. We have no "haddith" to tell us to cover period.

 

[Philothei]

To be chosen means to have qualities that other women don't have.

Mary was not 'predestined" to be the Mother to God... It was out of free will she did that... And she was "ordinary" in her nature as a human being. She was extraordinary in her calling from God and she accepted that calling... But then again you are going off topic to grasp straws to prove that hijab existed.... What Mary is wearing is not a hijab... dear Dnihila but a vestment especially for her... and here calling... Here she is the Queen of the Heavens... She is wearing a vestment that no other woman does ....yes she was special to that and what she is wearing..... No other woman in our tradition is dressed so glorious as Panagia (All Holy Virgin Mary_)

Here proof as to her dressing :



And enough with my tradition and grasping straws....




here is a pic of not-so-pious hijabs......

 

[Philothei]

Without noticing it, you are humilating others by sending the message of "I am better than you" Saying well, I am blessed with blond, black, brown....etc hair and you are not. I have white, black, brown, ....etc skin and you are not.
I have slim or fat legs and you are not.
I have belly or flat stomach and you are not.
My body shape is better than yours.
Which means that the only concern for women will be:
How to look pretty?
How to copy each other?
How to have no character?
How to spend more time infront of mirror?
How to go to doctors to make plastic surgeries to have a prettier face because you thought that the Creator- Greatness to Him - made a mistake that you want to repair?
The funny thing about plastic surgery that all women leave the clinique with the same features. They are just copying each other and that's not how the Creator created them. It is such an ungrateful to do such a thing.
And to show people that you are so blessed with a nice body is ungrateful, too. Because that will be concedered cheating to your husband because other men are sharing you with him even without a real relationship.
You are saying that with Hijab women will look the same, that's right and that's the way they are infront of the Creator.
But the only thing will make them different is :
If they committed a sin and didn' ask for forgiveness then they will be punished.

You can say all these and wear a hijab ... too ....there is no point...

 

[Philothei]

And to show people that you are so blessed with a nice body is ungrateful, too. Because that will be concedered cheating to your husband because other men are sharing you with him even without a real relationship.
You are saying that with Hijab women will look the same, that's right and that's the way they are infront of the Creator.

The Creator knows us already no need to "appear" equal to Him. He even knows how many hair we have on our head...We do not need to "appear" equal...
As for "sharing" with other men except our husband that is an unbased statement as per news to you perhaps....but men need to be able to control their jelousy of others. That in itself is a great sin to be jelous of their spouses...Trust in their God and their spouses should eliminate their feelings of jelousy. We are humans not wild animals that we need to be "kept away" from each other in chance some male will "demand" another man's wife. Temptation comes from within as if it is woman's fault that man cannot control his passions ....how can this woman's fault? Even with the hijab I posted above "other men" can become interested to her.... Then what? Women are supposed to be "invisible" not to tempt men???

But the only thing will make them different is :
If they committed a sin and didn' ask for forgiveness then they will be punished.
Because whenever you commit a sin then this sin will be repeated all over your life because you have got over the bad feelings of doing something bad and regretting to you is nothing more than minutes that a glass of wine may took away and lead into another crime if not to anyone ,it will be to your brain.
The meaning of sin is not things you do by yourself, it is things you may lead others to do. Even the slight feeling of a woman which her beauty is not compared to yours. By wearing clothes that she might wear but looking at her is different than looking at you because you are more beautiful. But when you wear Hijab you are telling her that our spirits are the same and we are all sisters in the Love of the Almighty.

But if men are responsible wearing a hijab makes absolutely no difference...since temptation is whithin his heart... I do not get it how you should carry the guilt...if you are modest .....

Why do you always consider lack of beauty for the body, the face or the hair is what made a woman wear Hijab?
Why do women with no Hijab attract men attention?
I will tell you the answer:
Because they are easy to get. One chat and she will be in the hands of anyone, as a boy friend as a room mate...etc.
Tell me how can you get rid of flirt, chasing and crazy fans...etc.
just wear Hijab.
Why?

Huh? Women with hijabs do not attrack attention? Says who? I have seen women with hijabs get plenty of attention ..... actually men are more attracted to the mystery.... A search on the net and you can see what men say about women in hijabs... I saw that just searching on women in hijabs.

Because people outside your house don't know who are you and don't know what's inside your heart but if you wear Hijab , they will know what mentality you have.
A devil worshipper may wear decent clothes. An unbeliever may wear undecent clothes but the ones who carry the wit and the strong personality are the ones who surrender to their strong faith and they obey the Creator

A Jew or a Christian wearing a hijab daily?.I have not seen one......not even once... Except in Church.
There is not (again) such a 'rule' in other faiths at leas in Christianity....But you keep bringing it up just in hope... You have to bring in more proof than just pictures of Mary to prove that it is a "law" in our religion...

 

[dnihila]

Also a hijab... thus your point is moot. The clothing does not prove how pious one is... That is why in Christianity it is a moot point...

As far as in Christianity then....
Even for Mary as Mary and all women in that time and in Judaism did that as per their society they were in. Religion told them to do it too for the reasons of "modesty" not as a "obligation" thus today that we are not "slaves" to the Law of God Christ told us to follow the spirit of the Law... and Christians dress modest cause we do not adhere to the "law" as love is above the law. We obey Christ and His commandments and in His commandments it does not say to cover our heads as women. It actually says "there is no female or male .....in Christ Jesus" so your insistance about the covering be part of tradition is void... of any truth. We have no "haddith" to tell us to cover period.

Let's then talk about different kinds of women according to their clothes:
1. buisness women = long sleeves blouse or jacket and short skirts or long trousers.
2. Teachers-= medium length dresses or skirts, loose trousers and blouses.
3. Doctors= white coats, shirts and long trousers.
5. Nurses= White decent clothes and Head scarf.
4. Lawyers= formal clothes like business men.
5. Judges= black coats
6. prostitues= nothing
7.waitresses= short skirts,T-shirts, pants and polo shirts
8. religious people in the three religions= decent clothes
9. Nuns= decent clothes and head scarves
10. Religious Jewish ladies= decent clothes and head scarves
11. Muslim women= decent clothes and Hijabs or black abaya ( cloak) and face covers.
In every job we can see particular customs to wear to show who is who.
The doctor can't go to her clinique with the judges black cloak because people will think that she is a judge who lost her way to the court.
We in life accept those customs to be formaly followed according to rules we as humans made. And if any broke that rule, she will be punished or her salary will be cut off. We follow these rules because we are afraid of the punishments we may have in return.
But Hell??? NOO. Who can guarantee that we are going to Hell? No one, right.
You don't even gurantee that you will live till tomorrow to go and be punished.
People just went so far with the belief in humans more than the Almighty.
And the funny thing is that No women in the list from 1-8 except no.6 can be trusted and guaranteed for giving the right judgment and advise.They can make mistakes because their Law is humanish.
people may die according to a shallow advise and that's the worst thing to do in this life. A criminal might be sent to freedom and the innocent might be excuted. And you all still have a belief in humanish rules??!!!
No.6 women are no one but human devils because they let the devil mislead them and witness such a sacred relationship being made away from the blessings of the family members and the religious people.
Two people and there third witness is the devil. Those ladies are nothing but poisionus spiders that fish for men to kill them slowly.
Give them sickness, send them home with a negative feeling of protecting any family member's honour, being ready to commit any other sins. Create a shameless feelings in them of showing their private parts to any.
Those ladies are committing suicide and they don't want to leave alone. they want to take men with them because Adam our father is the first enemy for the devil, so the devil doesn't want to see any religious, trustworthy, honest and healthy men around. To go back to the Almighty and say:" I told You that Adam and his children are sinners that they are not better than me and they should of go to Hell not me."
Sins were made by humans misled by devils to just prove to the Almighty that He was mistaken in creating Adam. And what the devil soesn't know is that he is promised with Hell and Adam's children are forgiven but the ones who are sinful they will go to Hell with the devil.
Why do you trust religious people when you go to churchs, mosques and synagogues? Why do you listen to them?
Because they don't talk about themselves.
They talk about the Creator and His prophets.
Now, you can see the difference between what's Holy and what's not.

 

[Philothei]

And the funny thing is that No women in the list from 1-8 except no.6 can be trusted and guaranteed for giving the right judgment and advise.They can make mistakes because their Law is humanish.
people may die according to a shallow advise and that's the worst thing to do in this life. A criminal might be sent to freedom and the innocent might be excuted. And you all still have a belief in humanish rules??!!!
No.6 women are no one but human devils because they let the devil mislead them and witness such a sacred relationship being made away from the blessings of the family members and the religious people.
Two people and there third witness is the devil. Those ladies are nothing but poisionus spiders that fish for men to kill them slowly.
Give them sickness, send them home with a negative feeling of protecting any family member's honour, being ready to commit any other sins. Create a shameless feelings in them of showing their private parts to any.
Those ladies are committing suicide and they don't want to leave alone. they want to take men with them because Adam our father is the first enemy for the devil, so the devil doesn't want to see any religious, trustworthy, honest and healthy men around. To go back to the Almighty and say:" I told You that Adam and his children are sinners that they are not better than me and they should of go to Hell not me."
Sins were made by humans misled by devils to just prove to the Almighty that He was mistaken in creating Adam. And what the devil soesn't know is that he is promised with Hell and Adam's children are forgiven but the ones who are sinful they will go to Hell with the devil.
Why do you trust religious people when you go to churchs, mosques and synagogues? Why do you listen to them?
Because they don't talk about themselves.
They talk about the Creator and His prophets.
Now, you can see the difference between what's Holy and what's not.

you are off topic ....you attack the west and Christianity to that extent... You have no right to judge who is saved and who is not as that is not any of your business. But that is okay so the world will see the venom that comes out of the followers of your religion. I forgive you as you are mislead by your religion that is full of contradiction and teaches that it is woman's fault that men sin and fall....Instead of letting men be responsible for their actions they restrict women's dress code and here behaviour to "protect" man's uncotrollable insticts... Period.



Our "law" is not "humanish" as you call it but Christ's as He gave us unwritten laws of how to interact and behave with each other. For he said woman and men are the same in the eyes of God... Christ did not tell women to be "more modest" than men and that men can go and look upon any woman ....since if they do they commit sin... So there the blame is on the men who look not the women.... That is what the God-man Christ taught us and taught you since He is a prophet in YOUR faith BUT instead you are quick to 'reject' his teachings while you say you respect His Mother.... as a Mother of the prophet......hmmmmm.... You respect Her to "show" that you do because in reality you do not ....you prove you do not with your actions... How is the treatment of men and women the same as Christ taught if you respect His Mother??? YOU want to appear you do for your own motives so that others would think you accept Christ and in reality you do not...We are in the new covenant of Christ and Christ told us to live by the "spirit" of the Law as the law does not save but Christ does.

You even do not have a right to judge even prostitutes as they can also repent......Christ forgave the adulteress woman and told her to go and sin no more.... But yeah the venom is from your religion who "kills" women who are prostitutes and adulteress not giving them a chance to repent.... unlike our God your god is mercyless and cruel pure a humanistic god who brings distruction to those who legalistically do not obey them... but those who do sin in secret your god does not mind as it is okay for the mulsims to lie as part of the haddiths and your prophet tells them to do it.....
So the god of lies and deception is better than the God of love, mercy and forgiveness? I do not think so... Also the Lord Jesus says "Judgment is mine" you cannot as much as you try distinguish who will be going to hell or heaven eventually as we do not know how He will judge us. We are indeed to live a moral life in Christ. but still that prostitute can be a child of God tomorrow and you can be left out despite the hijab or any other "practice" or "law' you are under since you are judging others.... For Christ said to the Jews that they are hypoctites who ONLY follow the written Law without practicing mercy and love to their neighbour... Those going to hell is out of choice as they do not chose to be with God.... denying His mercy and they do not repent and turn to Him.... We do not rejoice on that though....instead we pray that all are saved... while you condemn the prostitute... instead of felling bad for her... and her condition. Also attribute to her the "fall" and "passions" of men saying she is responsible for their fall... No, each man has free will to judge what to do either sin or not... His choice to join her and sin....cutting himself off God's mercy...
I can see now your intentions all along to accuse Christianity about its dogma and practice.....

There is nothing more to say as you still cannot support the practice of the hijab in your religion.

 

[dnihila]

Mary was not 'predestined" to be the Mother to God... It was out of free will she did that... And she was "ordinary" in her nature as a human being. She was extraordinary in her calling from God and she accepted that calling... But then again you are going off topic to grasp straws to prove that hijab existed.... What Mary is wearing is not a hijab... dear Dnihila but a vestment especially for her... and here calling... Here she is the Queen of the Heavens... She is wearing a vestment that no other woman does ....yes she was special to that and what she is wearing..... No other woman in our tradition is dressed so glorious as Panagia (All Holy Virgin Mary_)

Here proof as to her dressing :



And enough with my tradition and grasping straws....




here is a pic of not-so-pious hijabs......

Let's read some lines from the Holy Bible:
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif] Luke 1,And Mary said to the angel: How shall this be done, because I know not man?[/FONT]
We all know that the Creator has the power to guide you against your will and that's what He can do with insane people. but He showed us that the brain is what guides you to Heaven. He would of choose any insane woman to show that what has been done on her was a miracle because what happened to her was against her will for the reason that she was chosen among other women. He could of choose a very hesitated woman to be controled. But He chose Mary, from a well known family and known for her chastity and religious personality to show the world that a woman is not a spirit only but a body which is protected by decent clothing which can't be completed without a Viel/Hijab.
1) She was a very godly woman, who was blessed among women (Lk. 1:28,42) to be uniquely privileged to bear the Savior of the world. She was chosen by God to bear the Redeemer. She humbly described herself as God’s handmaiden (Lk. 1:48, KJV), which is another way of saying she was a servant or slave for the LORD.
2) She was willing to risk her own life to obey God and become impregnated with Jesus, for in those days adultery would be punished by stoning to death (Lev. 20:10), which is what it would appear she was guilty of, though she was innocent. Hence, she was going to serve God to the point of death, regardless the cost.

And in the Holy Quran Mary ( peace be upon her) was described by the Creator in the Holy Quran by first giving her a whole chapter after her name a Surah called Mary=Mariam, her family also has a whole chapter in the Holy Quran ( Imran family ). And she was mentioned in many Surahs in the Holy Quran:
Surah: Imran
33.Indeed, Allah chose Adam and Noah and the family of Abraham and the family of ‘Imran over the worlds -
34.Descendants, some of them from others. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing
35.when the wife of ‘Imran said, "My Lord, indeed I have pledged to You what is in my womb, consecrated [for Your service], so accept this from me. Indeed, You are the Hearing, the Knowing."
36.But when she delivered her, she said, "My Lord, I have delivered a female." And Allah was most knowing of what she delivered, "And the male is not like the female. And I have named her Mary, and I seek refuge for her in You and [for] her descendants from Satan, the expelled [from the mercy of Allah]."
37.So her Lord accepted her with good acceptance and caused her to grow in a good manner and put her in the care of Zechariah. Every time Zechariah entered upon her in the prayer chamber, he found with her provision. He said, "O Mary, from where is this [coming] to you?" She said, "It is from Allah. Indeed, Allah provides for whom He wills without account."
42.And when the angels said, "O Mary, indeed Allah has chosen you and purified you and chosen you above the women of the worlds.
43.O Mary, be devoutly obedient to your Lord and prostrate and bow with those who bow [in prayer]."
64.Say, "O People of the Scripture, come to a word that is equitable between us and you - that we will not worship except Allah and not associate anything with Him and not take one another as lords instead of Allah." But if they turn away, then say, "Bear witness that we are Muslims [submitting to Him]."
Surah: Mariam=Mary
16.And mention in the Book Mary, when she withdrew from her family to a place toward the east.
17.And she took, in seclusion from them, a screen. Then We sent to her Our Angel, and he represented himself to her as a well-proportioned man.
20.She said, "How can I have a boy while no man has touched me and I have not been unchaste?"
22.So she conceived him, and she withdrew with him to a remote place.
28.O sister of Aaron, your father was not a man of evil, nor was your mother unchaste."
34.That is Jesus, the son of Mary - the word of truth about which they are in dispute.
Now, you may have a small idea about how do we look at Mary. About how we love her and respect her and believe in her. That whenever you mention the name Mary, you just don't give her the respect that she deserves to have by saying that she was chosen against her will???!!!
Not for having qualities that other women don't have.
This is how you think about Mary, then may I ask you what do you think of prophet Jesus ( peace be upon him)?
We are taught in Islam to love all the prophets equally and we are taught to respect them all. But what I see in here is an ungrateful person who appreciates no one but him/herself.
If you can't understand Mary the role model of chastity in the worlds then why are you so concerned about chastity at all?
What women wear these days can be an old fashion tomorrow and one day some time they will go back to it. This is a big evidence that women don't know what's best for them. And that's why they have a short concentration way of thinking.
And I this time will take the men side, by saying that a man without a woman who is trying her best even by using her eye connection to seduce this particular man unintentionaly is to make him sin unconsciously like a man who is under a magnetical hypnotising.
Women are the first ones to blame. And the Hijab you showed us with the tight shirt and the full make up is a seductive Hijab. And you don't have to look so goofy to wear Hijab and decent clothes. You just choose the suitable size for you not the ( My little sister's Closet ) thing.
To Be Continued.

 

[seashale76]

dnihila,

This is getting very back and forth. Here's the thing. Nobody is saying that modesty is a terrible thing; to the contrary. However, there are a few problems that I see regarding hijab that I'd like to share.

1. When it is imposed on women instead of being a personal choice. This happens all the time.

2. When the women who are wearing hijab get prideful about it, legalistic, and condemn all other women in their hearts, minds, words to each other, etc. who don't wear hijab. We all really know that not wearing hijab does not always equal being immodest. What some women wear under their abayas would make a western woman blush (and these women are considered righteous muslimahs).

3. Wearing hijab or not has zero effect on how women are perceived and treated in primarily Muslim countries. It is pretty apparent that the more oppressive cultures are to their women, the more harrassed the women are going to be despite the way they dress to be invisible and not attract attention. If the status of women is low IT DOES NOT MATTER. When you have a segment of the population that is supposed to remain invisible, anonymous, who is considered worth half a man legally, and take whatever is dished out to them, then it stands to reason that they will be just as objectified as if they were on the cover of Maxim magazine- chattel.

4. I have an Afghani friend who used to tell me that she was a terrible Muslim and was going to hell and that she had come to terms with it. She dressed very modestly, but did not wear hijab. She fasted, she prayed, and she could read the Quran in Arabic. She dreaded getting married and turned down every marriage proposal sent to her through the Afghani Muslim network of mothers and aunts in the eastern US. She looked to marriage as something she should do, but in the future. In this future, she would marry this fictional perfect guy, start wearing hijab, have kids, give up her career and stay home. Unfortunately, she felt that the reality would be a lot more grim for her. It broke my heart to see her being so fatalistic.

Another friend who never wore hijab but dressed modestly, was going to be forced into a marriage with an older man she didn't know, and was expected to move to Egypt, even though she herself had never lived there. Her parents were very strict with her (even though her brother was allowed to do all kinds of things Muslims consider sinful). Her future looked very grim to her. She wound up eloping with a Catholic guy, changed her first and last name, and moved as far across the country from her family as was possible.

My point is, these girls had no hope. All of this legalism was a standard ideal for them to either aspire to or that would be forced on them at their marriages. Hijab represents a lot of negative things, even to a lot of Muslim women. Legalism, no choice, lack of personal identity, etc.

 

[Philothei]

And in the Holy Quran Mary ( peace be upon her) was described by the Creator in the Holy Quran by first giving her a whole chapter after her name a Surah called Mary=Mariam, her family also has a whole chapter in the Holy Quran ( Imran family ). And she was mentioned in many Surahs in the Holy Quran:
Surah: Imran
33.Indeed, Allah chose Adam and Noah and the family of Abraham and the family of ‘Imran over the worlds -
34.Descendants, some of them from others. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing
35.when the wife of ‘Imran said, "My Lord, indeed I have pledged to You what is in my womb, consecrated [for Your service], so accept this from me. Indeed, You are the Hearing, the Knowing."
36.But when she delivered her, she said, "My Lord, I have delivered a female." And Allah was most knowing of what she delivered, "And the male is not like the female. And I have named her Mary, and I seek refuge for her in You and [for] her descendants from Satan, the expelled [from the mercy of Allah]."
37.So her Lord accepted her with good acceptance and caused her to grow in a good manner and put her in the care of Zechariah. Every time Zechariah entered upon her in the prayer chamber, he found with her provision. He said, "O Mary, from where is this [coming] to you?" She said, "It is from Allah. Indeed, Allah provides for whom He wills without account."
42.And when the angels said, "O Mary, indeed Allah has chosen you and purified you and chosen you above the women of the worlds.
43.O Mary, be devoutly obedient to your Lord and prostrate and bow with those who bow [in prayer]."
64.Say, "O People of the Scripture, come to a word that is equitable between us and you - that we will not worship except Allah and not associate anything with Him and not take one another as lords instead of Allah." But if they turn away, then say, "Bear witness that we are Muslims [submitting to Him]."
Surah: Mariam=Mary
16.And mention in the Book Mary, when she withdrew from her family to a place toward the east.
17.And she took, in seclusion from them, a screen. Then We sent to her Our Angel, and he represented himself to her as a well-proportioned man.
20.She said, "How can I have a boy while no man has touched me and I have not been unchaste?"
22.So she conceived him, and she withdrew with him to a remote place.
28.O sister of Aaron, your father was not a man of evil, nor was your mother unchaste."
34.That is Jesus, the son of Mary - the word of truth about which they are in dispute.
Now, you may have a small idea about how do we look at Mary. About how we love her and respect her and believe in her. That whenever you mention the name Mary, you just don't give her the respect that she deserves to have by saying that she was chosen against her will???!!!
Not for having qualities that other women don't have.
This is how you think about Mary, then may I ask you what do you think of prophet Jesus ( peace be upon him)?
We are taught in Islam to love all the prophets equally and we are taught to respect them all. But what I see in here is an ungrateful person who appreciates no one but him/herself.
If you can't understand Mary the role model of chastity in the worlds then why are you so concerned about chastity at all?
What women wear these days can be an old fashion tomorrow and one day some time they will go back to it. This is a big evidence that women don't know what's best for them. And that's why they have a short concentration way of thinking.
And I this time will take the men side, by saying that a man without a woman who is trying her best even by using her eye connection to seduce this particular man unintentionaly is to make him sin unconsciously like a man who is under a magnetical hypnotising.
Women are the first ones to blame. And the Hijab you showed us with the tight shirt and the full make up is a seductive Hijab. And you don't have to look so goofy to wear Hijab and decent clothes. You just choose the suitable size for you not the ( My little sister's Closet ) thing.
To Be Continued

Mary was not the mother of a Prophet but the Mother of God-man Christ.

The rest is according to quran and totally O.T. for this thread unless preaching to us about koran you consider it has anything to do with the hijab... it does not. YOu do not follow Christ but Mohamed... You respect Mary out of tradition and because she was a mother of the prophet...who you do neither obey or follow his teachings thus you never respect HIM... Neither you do his mother as you ONLY see her as part of getting the Chistian "vote" to the inquirers in Islam...We know your techniques and strategies....So whatever quote mines you post are totally OT and out of place here...

 

[Philothei]

But what I see in here is an ungrateful person who appreciates no one but him/herself.
If you can't understand Mary the role model of chastity in the worlds then why are you so concerned about chastity at all?
What women wear these days can be an old fashion tomorrow and one day some time they will go back to it. This is a big evidence that women don't know what's best for them. And that's why they have a short concentration way of thinking.
And I this time will take the men side, by saying that a man without a woman who is trying her best even by using her eye connection to seduce this particular man unintentionaly is to make him sin unconsciously like a man who is under a magnetical hypnotising.
Women are the first ones to blame. And the Hijab you showed us with the tight shirt and the full make up is a seductive Hijab. And you don't have to look so goofy to wear Hijab and decent clothes. You just choose the suitable size for you not the ( My little sister's Closet ) thing.

The insults....tsk.... wow you are an angry person no doubt telling me how "stupid" I am and also how ungreatful I am ... and so forth... And all that because you are tryin g so hard to discredit Chrisitanity while you are trying to discredit me so I will stop telling you that hijab is indeed useless and not a standard for piety and also not a standard to judge others by... As Seashell pointed out the hijab has no significance in women's "devotional" life... Any woman with modesty in her life can be doing God's will just the same. There is nothing that a woman cannot do without wearing a hijab. The ONLY reason that hijab makes a difference is "control" and that is what it does to mulsim women it controls their thoughts, their actions, their life...
I understand Mary's chastity and whithin her culture and also her place in God's plan. Mary was that one Mary...One Mother of God.. Her example was that of piety in living a life of humble spirit... That was her role. Accusing Christian women of "impiety" will not justify the practice and haddith put by your prophet so that women will remain under man's control.... telling you and obligate you to be covered. Mary did it out of love and devotion not out of Law as Christ told us to follow the spirit of the Law...not the letter... But as usual you ignore what I write and never reply ....YOU prefer to post instead accusations and quote mines....

 

[anatolian]

Forgive me being off-topic but I want to ask a question.What is the purpose of christian women covering their head while praying, at least in a church,and at least in Bible?