Why Has Evolution Gained Popularity With Christians?

[MC1171611]

What is science? The method by which man tries to conceal his ignorance. It should not be so, but so it is....scientists may boldly assert what they cannot prove, and may demand a faith far more credulous than any we possess. Forsooth, you and I are to take our Bibles and shape and mould our belief according to the ever-shifting teachings of so-called scientific men. What folly is this! Why, the march of science, falsely so called, through the world may be traced by exploded fallacies and abandoned theories. Former explorers once adored are now ridiculed; the continual wreckings of false hypotheses is a matter of universal notoriety. You may tell where the learned have encamped by the debris left behind of suppositions and theories as plentiful as broken bottles.

-Charles Haddon Spurgeon

Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools...

 

[gluadys]

Gluadys said: The CR enters the GC at 2800 feet today after wearing away the canyon it is in. What was the height of the plateau around the GC area when the CR first began to erode it? Was it as high as 8,000 feet above sea level then?

Where is evidence showing that it was much higher than it is today? NONE. What are the evidences that it was caused by something other than the CR?

Actually, I was thinking it may have been lower at the time. I have heard that this area has experienced uplift since the river began.

Uphill flow?

Apparently you missed the word "apparent". Read the document. Thoroughly.

Now does this say anything about the age of the earth (i.e. that it is young) - no, only that the GC was not formed by slow erosion due to the CR and a case that there are lies in textbooks that are being told to our kids.

Not only was the canyon formed by slow erosion, the sediments and ignaceous rocks it carved through were created even more slowly.

In any case you seem to disagree with Calminian's contention that we would have no idea of what evidence a miracle would leave behind. You have a pretty good idea of what evidence you would look for in the Grand Canyon---even if you are mistaken about finding it.

 

[invisible trousers]

What is science? The method by which man tries to conceal his ignorance. It should not be so, but so it is....scientists may boldly assert what they cannot prove, and may demand a faith far more credulous than any we possess. Forsooth, you and I are to take our Bibles and shape and mould our belief according to the ever-shifting teachings of so-called scientific men. What folly is this! Why, the march of science, falsely so called, through the world may be traced by exploded fallacies and abandoned theories. Former explorers once adored are now ridiculed; the continual wreckings of false hypotheses is a matter of universal notoriety. You may tell where the learned have encamped by the debris left behind of suppositions and theories as plentiful as broken bottles.

-Charles Haddon Spurgeon

Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools...

you do know that science has changed a lot in the past 150 years, right?

if science is so dumb and yec is so smart, why hasn't the yec movement been able to back up any of its arguments or produce any sort of evidence?

the reason evolution has gained popularity with christians is because it is by far the most accurate theory of the development of life on earth.

 

[MC1171611]

you do know that science has changed a lot in the past 150 years, right?

if science is so dumb and yec is so smart, why hasn't the yec movement been able to back up any of its arguments or produce any sort of evidence?

the reason evolution has gained popularity with christians is because it is by far the most accurate theory of the development of life on earth.

The reason that the evolution "theory" has gained so much apparent support among Christians is because of a lack of wisdom, and because man still wants to be God.

 

[wblastyn]

The reason that the evolution "theory" has gained so much apparent support among Christians is because of a lack of wisdom, and because man still wants to be God.

Oh please, being willfully ignorant, which you apparantly are, shows "lack of wisdom". Pot, kettle, black.

What has accepting evolution based on the undeniable evidence got to do with wanting to be God?

 

[BlackSaab52]

The reason that the evolution "theory" has gained so much apparent support among Christians is because of a lack of wisdom, and because man still wants to be God.

Actually, it's because Christians who believe in evolution and an old earth look at the world objectively. And how on earth does believing in evolution equate to wanting to be God?

 

[invisible trousers]

The reason that the evolution "theory" has gained so much apparent support among Christians is because of a lack of wisdom, and because man still wants to be God.

what type of wisdom is clinging to a theory with not a single piece of proof behind it while ignoring all evidence of creation which points to evolution?

how does a desire to learn and understand our origins constitute wanting to be God?

edit: awaiting inevitable deliberate misunderstanding of the word "theory" in a scientific context

 

[PaladinValer]

He doesn't even know what the theory of evolution even states, so I wouldn't put too much support in him.

 

[Crusadar]

gluadys said: Not only was the canyon formed by slow erosion, the sediments and ignaceous rocks it carved through were created even more slowly.

So where’s the sediment? Certainly a river carving such a big hole in the ground would leave a mountain of sediment?

In any case you seem to disagree with Calminian's contention that we would have no idea of what evidence a miracle would leave behind. You have a pretty good idea of what evidence you would look for in the Grand Canyon---even if you are mistaken about finding it.

Really? What gave you the impression that I disagreed with Calminian? If anything it would be a confirmation of what scripture says, that in the last days there will come scoffers who will deny the flood as 2 Peters 3:3-7 states:

“Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.”

The flood was no miracle, it was a cataclysm that left plenty of evidence to say that there was a judgment on man. I suspect that the problem is not the flood itself but why there was a need for a global flood, we object because we don’t want to be judged by God.

 

[rmwilliamsll]

it was a cataclysm that left plenty of evidence to say that there was a judgment on man.

what evidence?
how does this evidence show a judgment on mankind?

....

 

[midnightbirdgirl]

"Christians" believe it because they are falling for the lies of the world. Remember anything to take your eye off the Word.. Satan is indeed subtle. He takes a bit of truth and adds or takes away, and then he has you.
MBG

 

[BlackSaab52]

The flood was no miracle, it was a cataclysm that left plenty of evidence to say that there was a judgment on man. I suspect that the problem is not the flood itself but why there was a need for a global flood, we object because we don’t want to be judged by God.

So what your saying is that the true motivation behind believing in TE is that we don't take the judgement of God seriously? If that's what you're saying, then I'll have to say that that is complete nonsense! I believe in the final judgement when the dead will be raised, and the goats will be sepatated from the sheep. I believe that the wicked will receive damnation and God's children will receive eternal bliss with Him, and I'm sure that most, if not all the TE's on here would agree with this. Just because I don't interpret a certain part of the Bible as literally as you do doesn't mean that I don't think the Bible is truthful.

 

[LewisWildermuth]

I’ll vote yes although I do not think the wording is quite right…



I do not “believe” in evolution anymore than I “believe” the Earth goes around the sun. I provisionally accept Evolution just as I provisionally accept the heliocentric theory, or any other scientific theory… They are the best models of how things in this universe work that we have found so far. As soon as a better theory comes up, in any field, I will provisionally accept it and toss its predecessor in the trash. That is how science works.



There is no “belief” in it.

 

[charityagape]

Furthermore, evolution is not about how life came to be. Evolution pre-supposes that living things already exist. Evolution is about how species change over time, diversifying into many new species. Read the conclusion of Darwin's Origin of Species in notto's post. You will see he did not think of evolution as the origin of life, but as the way life developed after it was created.
Again evolution is not about the origin of life, but about the development of diverse forms of life.


This is very interesting to me. Its not about the origin of life, does it propose any ideas as to what the original form of life was? For example "slime" or fully developed species, such as man? Also, what do evolutionistic christians think about the biblical account of Adam and Eve and the generations listed after that? Do they think Adam and Eve to truly be the first people created by God? Or something else, something like a parable or generalization or the first self-aware apes with souls? What?

 

[Crusadar]

rmwilliamsll said: what evidence? how does this evidence show a judgment on mankind?

See what scripture means by "willingly ignorant". The evidence is seen through destruction and death - fossils do provide the testimony of death.

 

[BlackSaab52]

Also, what do evolutionistic christians think about the biblical account of Adam and Eve and the generations listed after that? Do they think Adam and Eve to truly be the first people created by God? Or something else, something like a parable or generalization or the first self-aware apes with souls? What?

This is something that TE's disagree on. Some believe that Adam and Eve were historical people (like myself), others see them as more mythical characters. Personally, I don't hold to a certain idea as to how God made Adam and Eve, whether they were specially created or "the first self-aware apes with souls," as you put it, but I do believe they were real people.

 

[Crusadar]

BlackSaab52 said: Just because I don't interpret a certain part of the Bible as literally as you do doesn't mean that I don't think the Bible is truthful.

Who says you need to interpret anything? The language system works quite well without interpretation.

 

[BlackSaab52]

Who says you need to interpret anything? The language system works quite well without interpretation.

And how do you know that everything in the Bible is supposed to be read literally? Do you realize that reading the text literally is an interpretation of it?

 

[ebia]

BlackSaab52 said: Just because I don't interpret a certain part of the Bible as literally as you do doesn't mean that I don't think the Bible is truthful.

Who says you need to interpret anything? The language system works quite well without interpretation.

Wrong.

Without interpretation, language is nothing more than marks on a page or sounds in the air.

Turning those sounds or marks into meaning requires interpretation, and no two people will interpret anything identically.

 

[LewisWildermuth]

BlackSaab52 said: Just because I don't interpret a certain part of the Bible as literally as you do doesn't mean that I don't think the Bible is truthful.

Who says you need to interpret anything? The language system works quite well without interpretation.

So when someone tells you that they feel like a million bucks you walk over and poke them then call them a liar because they feel nothing like a million bucks? (And even this is an interpretation since without interpretation there can be no understanding of even language.)



We interpret everything we hear and read and misinterpretations are all too common, even in the most simple of occasions when two people speak the same language and share the same culture. The courts are filled with them. Just imagine the possibilities of wrong interpretations when one does not share the same culture, language or even time period.