Why Has Evolution Gained Popularity With Christians?

[Critias]

If no man was there at creation, no man can ever be 100% certain that it happened as they assert it did, either creation or evolution/abiogenesis/big bang.

If God created in six days then common descent would be falsified. The current teaching of the big bang is over a course of time longer than six days, so if a six day creation is right, that wouldn't fit as it is. Abiogenesis would be falsified because God created Adam and the six day. Adam's body, not yet living was created from the dirt, hence non-life to life would be incorrect. It was God would breathed life into Adam not the dirt that gave Adam life.

But, these are things, some maybe not all, that you believe to be true: evolution, common descent, abiogenesis, big bang. I haven't seen you comment on them all so I don't know if you subscribe to them all, I just put them there for clarification of what I am speaking of.

You believe they are true because of the interpretations given by scientists of the evidence that they have studied, correct?

Your belief in origins extends beyond just God creating and into how God created. It is not just a logical conclusion it is also a belief. Unless you have done all the research yourself, been in the labs, doing the experiments, etc then it is a belief in what others within science assert.

I know this is very hard for many TEs to grasp, that if they haven't done the work but still hold the belief that it is a belief. I can do as you and study science all my life and yet if I have not done the research, experiments, etc it is still a belief in what the scientists say. You are believing what they say is correct and will be correct for time to come.

I believe also that God created knowledge so that we can comprehend what He has done. I also believe that man has used knowledge in a way that it was not intended to be used. Just because God created something, doesn't automatically mean man will use it as God wishes her/him to do.

Collective knowledge can be just as deceitful. Because God created it, doesn't mean it is impervious to being misused.

I do not contend for you to deny anything. I don't wish to impose on your free choice. I am just interested in a discussion. I have not accusations to make at you, are to call you names, as I have received from several TEs here.

I just want to see TEs support their assertions about Genesis being a type of writing. In my responses to you, i have shown my I see it as I do, and you have been gracious enough to explain how you can see it as you do. Thank you for that!

We may disgree, but at least we were able to discuss it without the accusations and name calling so prevelant here.

 

[Critias]

her statement has the form and force of a proof by contradiction argument. that is we know God doesn't lie, if you show or believe in a creation with the appearance of age, or better labelled a creation with scars and history, then this belief is false because it denies a fundamental attribute of God, ie His truthfulness.

same argument as the two books of God can not contradict each other. if they do then the human readers of one or the other or both are misreading the books.


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Well you may see it that way, I just don't. I also see what you are saying as a justification of calling God a liar if one is wrong in their understanding.

I have no problem if I am wrong about what I believe on origins and accepting it without claiming God is a liar because I thought the Bible said differently.

I believe some here have thrown being humble at yecs, well calling God a liar if one is wrong, in any circumstance is far from being humble.

 

[88Devin07]

I have no need to prove Creation... Do you know why? First of all, The Bible and the men who wrote scripture, and the men who knew the Apostles and the Church Fathers are all more correct than Science ever thought of being.

Also, If you want proof of Creation, then buy a book like:

In six days...
On the Seventh Day...
Young Earth...
Creation & Evolution 101...
etc...

The information that has been twisted by demon possessed unbelieving scientists to "prove" so-called "Scientific Fact" actually when not twisted around, proves Creation itself.

Scripture says itself that it brings no new doctrine... So why should we believe that God would reveal evolution to us when he has already shown his believers creationism and the fact that the earth is young?

I'm sorry that most of you have fallen to believe such a lie. Darwin himself was no Christian, and so I don't understand, how you can believe an Athiest more than a Christian, especially Christians and Jews that have believed in the true Word of God through all ages...

I pray to God for your souls... I am no one to say what will happen to you. But if some of you choose to believe Science over the Infallible Word of God, then may God have mercy on your soul. But those of you who still believe in Scripture more than Science, I pray to God that he guide you back to the truth, even if yuou believe it to your death, then that has no effect on your salvation.

BTW I do know that some of you have been taught by Athiests to defend Evolutionism. And those of you who were, you must see the error in being taught by athiests to defend evolution against your fellow Christians.

 

[88Devin07]

Evolution is a complete lie, that is support both by Science and by Scripture. I'm just sorry for all of you that you have fallen and are believing such a lie... I just pray you don't fall to other false doctrines put on this earth by satan and his demons...

 

[rmwilliamsll]

The information that has been twisted by demon possessed unbelieving scientists to "prove" so-called "Scientific Fact" actually when not twisted around, proves Creation itself.

first, Decartes demon raises its long vanquished head.

second, what is curious is the relationship of this YECist epistemology to logical positivism. they look a lot like mirror images. LP says things like the spiritual is illusion, and the YECist say that the physical is demonic illusion. LP wants all to be in the physical domain, this YECist episteme makes the physical completely reliant on the spiritual.

i think the right answer is that both books of God need to be read properly for their domain. the clues for a right Christian scientific epistemology are going to lie in the continguency and voluntarism of the universe. the sad thing is that this episteme as expressed above will completely miss the boat when that work is being done. having been diverted by Decartes demon and last thursdayism in the nether regions of irrelevance.

i'll keep reading Plantinga and H. Vantil, you'all can have this defective epistemology all to yourself.
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[invisible trousers]

Evolution is a complete lie, that is support both by Science and by Scripture. I'm just sorry for all of you that you have fallen and are believing such a lie... I just pray you don't fall to other false doctrines put on this earth by satan and his demons...

Excuse me? You're the one who hasn't provided a single piece of evidence which shows a young earth and a literal 6 day creation.

Not backing up any of your arguments and then calling other christians liars and demon-possessed is something I'd never imagine an actual christian doing.

88Devin07, once again, please show some actual evidence for creationism.

I pray to God for your souls... I am no one to say what will happen to you. But if some of you choose to believe Science over the Infallible Word of God, then may God have mercy on your soul.

Stop this. Your interpretation of genesis is nowhere near infalliable and it's ludicrous to equate it with what God thinks.

So why should we believe that God would reveal evolution to us when he has already shown his believers creationism and the fact that the earth is young?

Well, the bible isn't a science book, and the only believers he has "shown" creationism reference organizations which are dishonest and often outright liars. Also I'd like you to prove the "fact" that the earth is wrong. Reading a book and saying "it's young because I say so" is not fact.

 

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