Why Evolution is True (3)

[morse86]

So what were the ancestors of men and whales, etc.?. Humans and whales didn't come into existence by spontaneous generation, so we should find fossils of our true ancestors in ancient rocks. We don't find fossil humans in Oligocene or Miocene rocks, or fossil whales in Paleocene or Cretaceous rocks, but humans and whales must have had Miocene and Paleocene ancestors, so what were they?

But you are saying that men and whales both came from rocks....rain fell on the earth rock and spontaneous generation happened. And if you keep following that logic, you have to eventually say life came from nothing smaller than a dot (spontaneous generation).

Most of the fossil records have been fabricated...they have to otherwise they lose $$$ funding. They use the fossil to date the layer and the layer to date the fossil.

 

[morse86]

All 100% true, be sure and teach such things to your children to keep America strong and free.

Look at what you teach (this is in the textbooks): Torrential rains fell on the rock and along with the right atomspheric conditions...life magically formed (this has never been done in the lab, the abiogenesis experiment was a monumental failure).

Paying taxes is freedom? If labor was money, you would be working for the gov for free more than half the year...those that didn't would be jailed.

If you don't wear your seatbelt here, you either pay $500 or goto jail. That's some real freedom.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Look at what you teach (this is in the textbooks): Torrential rains fell on the rock and along with the right atomspheric conditions...life magically formed (this has never been done in the lab, the abiogenesis experiment was a monumental failure).

Paying taxes is free? If labor was money, you would be working for the gov for free more than half the year...those that didn't would be jailed.

If you don't wear your seatbelt here, you either pay $500 or goto jail. That's some real freedom.

Don't listen to Kent Hovind, he lies and cheats

There is a reason that he is in federal prison right now. He did his taxes the same way that he does his evolution arguments.

And the first abiogenesis experiment was a resound success. It proved exactly what it set out to prove.

 

[createdtoworship]

So what were the ancestors of men and whales, etc.?. Humans and whales didn't come into existence by spontaneous generation, so we should find fossils of our true ancestors in ancient rocks. We don't find fossil humans in Oligocene or Miocene rocks, or fossil whales in Paleocene or Cretaceous rocks, but humans and whales must have had Miocene and Paleocene ancestors, so what were they?

well for one we have human footprints in the carbonifereous, way earlier than both the miocene and pliocene.

I have dealt extensively with this in another thread:
http://www.christianforums.com/t7831892-13/#post66009167

 

[createdtoworship]

It is not like calling Juan "John". John from the bible was called Yohanan, a shortened form of Yehohanan which means YHVH is Gracious. No one called him "John". John has no cultural meaning.

Just like no one called Jesus "Jesus" while he was alive. Because that was not his name. If you asked for "Jesus" none of his family or disciples would know who you are talking about. He was called Yeshua, a shortened form Yehoshua whichs means YHVH saves. God the Father is our only Savior. That is the entire importance of the name Yeshua. Because it pointed right back to God The Father. God in the Highest.

"Jesus" is the Perfector of Man because He is the Perfection of Man. He is the Author and Finisher of our faith. God the Father is the Saviour and place of Salvation. The Eternal Abode. The Heaven above the heavens that all else underneath will pass away from. God in the Highest and all inhabiting beings are all that is left when infinite universes have come and gone.


Jude 1:25 to the only God our Savior, through Jesus (Yeshua) Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion and authority, before all time and now and forever. Amen.

Isaiah 43:11 "I, even I, am YHVH, And there is no savior besides Me. 12"It is I who have declared and saved and proclaimed, And there was no strange god among you; So you are My witnesses," declares the LORD, "And I am God.…



Who was it that Yeshua Ha Mashiach could do nothing without?

Who was it that Yeshua Ha Mashiach prayed to that all man might become one with The Father as he had become?

Who was it that raised Yeshua Ha Mashiach from the dead?

Who made Yeshua Ha Mashiach "The Christ" by christening him with the Holy Spirit?


Who saved "Jesus"? YHVH.





And you might think this would be the end of the mystery, but it's not...


Rev 3:21 "To the one who conquers, I will grant him to sit with me on my throne, as I also conquered and sat down with my Father on his throne."

1 John 5:4 "Because everyone who is born from God conquers the universe; and this is the victory that conquers the universe - even our faith."


There is a rebirth by the waters of Truth. And a rebirth by the fires of Spirit.

That is the water that "Jesus" walked on, turned into wine and was a living fountain of. The Knowledge of Truth. Which just happens to the be the will of YHVH....the savior.


1 Timothy 10:3 This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, 4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

Juan (spanish) is exactly the same as John (english), exactly the same as (yohan) which i presume is hebrew. They are transliterations, do you know what a transliteration is?

 

[justlookinla]

Did God magically form everything or did God not use magic?

Kent Hovind is a fully paid up doctor, why else would they call him Dr Dino? he will be out soon ready to go again.

Why, as a Christian, would you equate the works of God as "magic"?

 

[dad]

Truth be told we have.

And you have yet to give any evidence for your altered past.

It is the present that is altered. One would need a crowbar to separate some folks from their same state past belief which has no validity or proof or evidence of any kind. Not one small speck. It is no use pretending you have. Whether people don't like not getting away with being able to smear evidences with their godless unproven fantasy past laws and call that science, or not doesn't matter. In the light of day, right here and now, we can see you cannot do what you allude to be able to do.

No one needs to have evidence for what laws existed, but they sure better not claim certain forces and laws are responsible for all things unless they can prove it or support it heavily with objective evidences.

The bible does indicate a future and past that is starkly different in nature. No one can refute that obvious fact. You are in no position to second guess God and cast aspersions on His word.

 

[dad]

Looks like 19% of Americans believe in Darwinian Evolution.

That is about how many trust the government there apparently. Pity them.

Poll says that only 19% of Americans trust the government. Why would anyone trust the government? -- Society's Child -- Sott.net

 

[Subduction Zone]

It is the present that is altered. One would need a crowbar to separate some folks from their same state past belief which has no validity or proof or evidence of any kind. Not one small speck. It is no use pretending you have. Whether people don't like not getting away with being able to smear evidences with their godless unproven fantasy past laws and call that science, or not doesn't matter. In the light of day, right here and now, we can see you cannot do what you allude to be able to do.

No one needs to have evidence for what laws existed, but they sure better not claim certain forces and laws are responsible for all things unless they can prove it or support it heavily with objective evidences.

The bible does indicate a future and past that is starkly different in nature. No one can refute that obvious fact. You are in no position to second guess God and cast aspersions on His word.

dad, you are falling deeper and deeper in delusion.

If you want to claim that there is an altered past you need to present evidence for it.

You know that you have no evidence, that is why you flop and flounder whenever someone asks you for evidence.

How sick must one be to believe that the whole world is conspiring against them? No one is plotting against Christians. The evidence for evolution is out there for anyone that wants to find it.

 

[bhsmte]

all I know is in the last few posts you mention that your sources are scientific, yet macro evolution has yet to be observed so how can it even be a theory without observation of the hypothesis?

Grady, you have been called out countless times and people have shown you why.

Now, I am not surprised you pretend none of this has ever happened, as that is just a defense mechanism you need to engage that has become automatic for you.

 

[dad]

What clinched it for me was the fact that T.H. Huxley showed in 1863 that our closest relatives are the African apes (chimpanzees and gorillas)...

Ha. He was misinformed. They are not related to man.

By the way did the dead guy 'know' he was related also to the potato??

 

[Subduction Zone]

That is about how many trust the government there apparently. Pity them.

Poll says that only 19% of Americans trust the government. Why would anyone trust the government? -- Society's Child -- Sott.net

I was writing my previous post when this popped up.

I was unbelievably prophetic!

 

[Subduction Zone]

Ha. He was misinformed. They are not related to man.

That image looks amazingly like you. Are you sure?

 

[dad]

That image looks amazingly like you. Are you sure?

How about a nice confession that it is you that actually believe it is your relative? That is what evolution is about...

 

[justlookinla]

One of our cousins who hasn't completely made the evolutionary leap yet.

.

 

[justlookinla]

What would you call it? I suspect you would call it just about anything as long as it was not 'magic'.

I just find it strange to attribute the miracles and power of God to magic.

 

[Subduction Zone]

How about a nice confession that it is you that actually believe it is your relative? That is what evolution is about...

I have never denied the obvious.

 

[Usus Vox Tractus]

Juan (spanish) is exactly the same as John (english), exactly the same as (yohan) which i presume is hebrew. They are transliterations, do you know what a transliteration is?

Who saved Jesus?


Yes I do. And if the translators of the bible were accurate, Yehoshua would not be Jesus, it would be Joshua. Which still retains a traceable meaning "Jah" (YHVH God the Father), shua (saves). "Jesus" retains none of this meaning which He Himself said was oh so important.

The mythos wrapped around the name Jesus is that he is the savior. The rest of the bible and His real Name states that YHVH, God the Father is the savior.


That is why I take issue with the name "Jesus". Because it is not the name the man in question was called by, and have none of the original meaning left. It is used as a cover to skew proper worship from The God whom no image can be made, who is worshipped in Spirit, to a cult of personality and torturous death of humanity. What was the path to eternal life has been made into a death cult....again.

The Catholic mass is a funeral for Jesus celebrating his death. Over and over and over. The entire story has been turned upside down from entering eternal life by living "Jesus's" teaching to celebrating his murder and excusing ourselves from our sins.

"Jesus" has been thoroughly hijacked over time and the key to doing that was hiding the real meaning of His real name. Then all lies and false dogma can be wrapped around the new name.


I do this out of my love for God, as an advocate for the Son of God against those who use his name for vane glory and enslaving of the human soul in the house of Mother Circe.

I am as Elijah against the priests of Baal.

 

[dad]

What would you call it? I suspect you would call it just about anything as long as it was not 'magic'.

Who really cares what a caveman calls something he doesn't know about?

A good scientist will be the first to admit they don't know it all...I am not sure about some of the posters here though. Some don't seem to care, but are just anti Good fanatics looking for a venue!

 

[dad]

I have never denied the obvious.

So you think it is obvious you are truly related to this fella. OK.