Why Evolution is True (3)

[Subduction Zone]

No magic then? How about miracles?

No magic of any sort need apply.

If you want to claim magic you need to find the evidence for it.

 

[dad]

No magic of any sort need apply.

If you want to claim magic you need to find the evidence for it.

Magic is anything over the mountain for an evo.

 

[dad]

That's right. Everyone that disagrees with dad is wrong.

Did you ever think that you may be sadly mistaken?

God's position will suffice for me, thanks. Think outside the box.

 

[Subduction Zone]

God's position will suffice for me, thanks. Think outside the box.

Says the poor man trapped in his own box of myth.

dad, I don't know how to help you. I would if I could.

 

[createdtoworship]

Grady, Macroevolution has been shown and explained to you many times but you do not seem to like this and continuously reject the information no matter how much it has been explained or how valid the references.

To make it simple here is a definition from What is macroevolution? from Berkeley.edu

As you can see, macroevolution is evolution above the species level. Microevolution is focused on the individual species and Macro on what happens after speciation.

Really, you can't get a better reference on current evolutionary thinking than evolution.berkeley.edu.

Like it or not this is the consensus view on macroevolution. Your private definition is not relevant unless you wish to take it up with the people at Berkeley.

Hopefully this issue has been put to rest.

Dizredux

only problem is the terminology of clade, begs the question as to if macro evolution exists. I don't refer to clades, I refer to taxonomy. So if your definition doesn't reflect taxonomy buy clades then you have changed the bars over the years. As my definition has not changed.

secondly, I will address more of your posts when you adress my post here:

http://www.christianforums.com/t7834960-6/#post66208491

you can't pick and choose what posts to address and which to ignore. That's dodging.

 

[createdtoworship]

What do you mean that it has not been observed?

We can observe it both in the fossil record and in DNA.

We are not limited to your versions of observation. And remember how you dishonestly claimed that people dodged answering this question of yours? I think the problem is not that people are dodging you but that you do not like the answer.

I address that the original definition of macro evolution refers to above the level of species taxonomically speaking, and thus there has been no observable examples of this. So many are in turn not necessarily changing the definition of macro evolution , but changing the definition of what species, genra etc. are. And using clades for example instead of genus or species. So take the original definition of macro evolution, and find proof or observation of it. please, and this is the question you dodge.

so ....

wait for it....

the dodge is coming,


it's almost here...

 

[Subduction Zone]

I address that the original definition of macro evolution refers to above the level of species taxonomically speaking, and thus there has been no observable examples of this. So many are in turn not necessarily changing the definition of macro evolution , but changing the definition of what species, genra etc. are. And using clades for example instead of genus or species. So take the original definition of macro evolution, and find proof or observation of it. please, and this is the question you dodge.

so ....

wait for it....

the dodge is coming,


it's almost here...

As I said that can be observed both through DNA and in the fossil record. The evolution of the horse was well observed on the macro level fairly early. Now we have the evolution of man, rhinos, and even a fairly full list of whale fossils.

How is that a dodge?


And a biologist could explain how our DNA demonstrates evolution on a macro scale better than I can.

Wait for it ......

The garbled response is coming....

 

[dad]

Says the poor man trapped in his own box of myth.
.

God is not in a box actually, and His word is truth. You just keep on callin folks liars and pretending you could mount a case, etc.

 

[Usus Vox Tractus]

God is not in a box actually, and His word is truth. You just keep on callin folks liars and pretending you could mount a case, etc.

If you count God's Word as the bible, then it most certainly does fit in a 2x5x7 box. But when you realize God's Word created the entire universe, you'll realize that the Kingdom of Heaven is within you and all around you.

That is what you were told to seek first and God's justice, then all things will be added to you.

If you worship the bible, you are worshipping an idol of paper and ink stains. If you worship the map, you will never, ever explore or get to know the actual territory the map is supposed to guide you through. If you worship the stained glass window, you'll miss all of Reality outside....,and inside.

 

[dad]

If you count God's Word as the bible, then it most certainly does fit in a 2x5x7 box. But when you realize God's Word created the entire universe, you'll realize that the Kingdom of Heaven is within you and all around you.

Stunningly inaccurate. Life is bigger than a box. His words are life and will outlive the earth we know.

That is what you were told to seek first and God's justice, then all things will be added to you.

Don't make stuff up. Chapter and verse?

If you worship the bible, you are worshipping an idol of paper and ink stains.

If one worships God in spirit and truth one will believe scripture.

If you worship the map, you will never, ever explore or get to know the actual territory the map is supposed to guide you through.

If we go where God doesn't ask and follow spirits not of God, the road leads to hell. No map needed.

If you worship the stained glass window, you'll miss all of Reality outside....,and inside.

Meaningless drivel.

 

[Dizredux]

only problem is the terminology of clade, begs the question as to if macro evolution exists. I don't refer to clades, I refer to taxonomy. So if your definition doesn't reflect taxonomy buy clades then you have changed the bars over the years. As my definition has not changed.

Then your private definition goes against the consensus of the scientific community.

Sure enough, as I expected, you found a way to reject what Berkeley.edu said about macroevolution. I can't believe you dismissed Berkeley on evolution. Berkeley for Pete's sake. You are simply amazing!

secondly, I will address more of your posts when you adress my post here:

http://www.christianforums.com/t7834960-6/#post66208491

you can't pick and choose what posts to address and which to ignore. That's dodging.

You are not one to talk about ignoring or dodging. Irony abounds.

I pick and choose what I want to respond to, you do not get to tell me what to do in any way, shape, form or fashion. That is a privilege a few have earned and you definitely not one of them.

I had already respond to you on this but you and told you what I had planned but as usual, you did not read. I thought it might be an honest question and an invitation to a dialog but now I see it as some kind of foolish challenge and I withdraw my offer to respond.


Grady, you are being a pill.....it does not make you look good in the least.

Dizredux

 

[Usus Vox Tractus]

Stunningly inaccurate. Life is bigger than a box. His words are life and will outlive the earth we know.

If you count God's word as the bible, it certainly will not outlive the earth...unless we launch it into space.

Don't make stuff up. Chapter and verse?

I thought you were supposed to be familiar with the bible? Mathew 6:33 King James Bible
But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.


If one worships God in spirit and truth one will believe scripture.

If one is truly worshiping in Spirit, then the living gospel is written on one's heart and no external book is ever needed again.

If we go where God doesn't ask and follow spirits not of God, the road leads to hell. No map needed.
Meaningless drivel.

God is also in hell and there is no escape from His Spirit. Just ask King David.

Psalms 139:7 Where can I go from Your Spirit? Or where can I flee from Your presence? 8If I ascend to heaven, You are there; If I make my bed in Sheol, behold, You are there.

Hell is not where you go, it is what you become.

Psalms 9:17: King James Bible
The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.



Man has demonstrably altered the words of the bible. This is Historic fact. If God was concerned, he did nothing to stop it. I don't think He is concerned about it given that His Word is written into and as the very fabric of Reality within us and all around us.

 

[createdtoworship]

I had already respond to you on this but you and told you what I had planned but as usual, you did not read. I thought it might be an honest question and an invitation to a dialog but now I see it as some kind of foolish challenge and I withdraw my offer to respond.


Grady, you are being a pill.....it does not make you look good in the least.

Dizredux

then if you will dodge and not provide evidence for your response (which I checked and did not see) then why should I respond to any more of your posts, seeing you dont' address mine?

thank you for the response.

 

[Subduction Zone]

then if you will dodge and not provide evidence for your response (which I checked and did not see) then why should I respond to any more of your posts, seeing you dont' address mine?

thank you for the response.

Do you even know what qualifies as evidence?

Most creationists don't.

For example have you ever responded to a post where someone has offered what he said is evidence and denied him by saying "That's not evidence", then the odds are that you do not know what qualifies as scientific evidence.

 

[dad]

God is also in hell and there is no escape from His Spirit. Just ask King David.



Man has demonstrably altered the words of the bible. This is Historic fact. If God was concerned, he did nothing to stop it. I don't think He is concerned about it given that His Word is written into and as the very fabric of Reality within us and all around us.

Jesus seemed to think Scripture was pretty good. Funny that. Hey do you believe Jesus was the only begotten son of God, and was killed and raised from the dead, and is the way for man to be saved?? Come on now, answer.

 

[dad]

Do you even know what qualifies as evidence?

So tell us, what does?

 

[Usus Vox Tractus]

Jesus seemed to think Scripture was pretty good. Funny that. Hey do you believe Jesus was the only begotten son of God, and was killed and raised from the dead, and is the way for man to be saved?? Come on now, answer.

No. "Yeshua" was the first begotten Son of God, made of the same substance as God at the beginning of the universe. Way later this being incarnated on earth and demonstrated the path to eternal life to man. He was never called "Jesus" at the time by anyone around him. And much of pre-Christina history points to the incarnation and influences of this being prior to 2014 years ago.

The name "Jesus" enters the human language only 500 years ago. So your assertion is false from the get go.


Do you know what the name the disciples actually called him means? The one He said was oh so important? It was certainly not "Jesus."



"Jesus" didn't even start his own priesthood but was named a priest after the Order of Melchizedek. The Order of the Son's of God.

 

[Subduction Zone]

So tell us, what does?

Are you willing to cooperate? I am not going to help an unresponsive student.

 

[dad]

"do you believe Jesus was the only begotten son of God, and was killed and raised from the dead, and is the way for man to be saved?"


No.

That means you are antichrist. Watch out kids.


1Jo 4:3 - And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

 

[dad]

Are you willing to cooperate? I am not going to help an unresponsive student.

You are the little fella here.