Why don't more creationists think like Todd Wood?

[46AND2]

That is a "Hollywood" fact. Eye witness testimony is much more convincing than circumstantial evidence.

That depends largely on the case. There are many variables which can make one stronger than the other. Convictions are most often due to circumstantial evidence, for lack of direct evidence. And in many cases, a conviction is swayed by the circumstantial evidence, despite eyewitness testimony.

 

[USincognito]

That is a "Hollywood" fact. Eye witness testimony is much more convincing than circumstantial evidence.

This is incorrect. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable, especially when compared with forensic evidence. That's the reason the Innocence Project exists and has, so far, exonerated 350 wrongly accused and helped identify 150 of the actual perpetrators.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Innocence_Project

 

[46AND2]

This is incorrect. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable, especially when compared with forensic evidence. That's the reason the Innocence Project exists and has, so far, exonerated 350 wrongly accused and helped identify 150 of the actual perpetrators.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Innocence_Project

Yep, and in 70+% of those cases, the wrongful conviction was due to incorrect identification by eyewitnesses.

 

[pitabread]

And, who witnessed creation? Uh, God did. He was there. Verse 2 of Genesis 1 says so

By the same logic, the movie "Fargo" is a true story because it said it was a true story.

 

[AV1611VET]

By the same logic, the movie "Fargo" is a true story because it said it was a true story.

Did the producer of "Fargo" willingly die, refusing to believe it was made up?

 

[Skreeper]

Did the producer of "Fargo" willingly die, refusing to believe it was made up?

Does that really matter? Even if he was willing to die for his belief, that doesnt mean what he believes is true. It could just mean that he has a serious mental issue.

 

[AV1611VET]

Does that really matter?

Yes.

Even if he was willing to die for his belief, that doesnt mean what he believes is true.

Why do you think I used "the producer" as an example?

Yes ... it's his creation.

He would certainly know if it is true or not.

One of your "serious mental" watchers might think it's real.

But the producer knows otherwise.

It could just mean that he has a serious mental issue.

Academia doesn't put up with that stuff, does it?

After all, it has to keep the "favoured races" going in the "struggle for life," doesn't it?

 

[TCassidy]

Academia doesn't put up with that stuff, does it?

I have been involved in academia most of my adult life and, believe me, some of the nuttiest people I have ever met have been academics.

 

[tas8831]

That is a "Hollywood" fact. Eye witness testimony is much more convincing than circumstantial evidence.

None of those studies mentioned or referred to were Hollywood anything.

And, who witnessed creation? Uh, God did. He was there. Verse 2 of Genesis 1 says so.

I really am not impressed with the circular reasoning gambit.

 

[tas8831]

I have been involved in academia most of my adult life and, believe me, some of the nuttiest people I have ever met have been academics.

So, you've never been to a church service, I take it.

 

[TCassidy]

So, you've never been to a church service, I take it.

And once again you get it wrong. Seems to be a habit with you.

 

[TCassidy]

I really am not impressed with the circular reasoning gambit.

Zoooommmm! Right over his head!

 

[lesliedellow]

Todd Wood is one of the very few intellectually honest creationists around. Why don't other creationists think like him? I suppose because he is also one of the very few whose faith is really as strong as the others only claim theirs to be. Consequently, he doesn't feel threatened by contrary evidence.

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

Did the producer of "Fargo" willingly die, refusing to believe it was made up?

Of course Fargo is true, because Fargo reveals the deaths of these characters in both the movie and the series. Many, Many people died! - Look, here's a list of martyred Fargo characters!

http://fargo.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_deaths​

They all died so you could know the Truth!

 

[Speedwell]

Todd Wood is one of the very few intellectually honest creationists around. Why don't other creationists think like him? I suppose because he is also one of the very few whose faith is really as strong as the others only claim theirs to be. Consequently, he doesn't feel threatened by contrary evidence.

I don't think it's that so much as it is that creationists have tied their beliefs about the Bible to a political agenda which they are deeply committed to. Maybe Todd Wood is just not political so he can look at the situation honestly.

 

[TCassidy]

What does being a creationist have to do with having a political agenda? I am a creationist (albeit not necessarily a YEC) so what political agenda do you presuppose I have?

 

[Speedwell]

What does being a creationist have to do with having a political agenda? I am a creationist (albeit not necessarily a YEC) so what political agenda do you presuppose I have?

I don't "presuppose" anything. I observe that there is quite a bit of overlap between YECs and right-wing culture warriors. The agenda can range from merely wanting fundamentalist Evangelical prayer and Bible study in the public schools to outright Christian Nationalism.

 

[TCassidy]

I observe that there is quite a bit of overlap between YECs and right-wing culture warriors.

I see. So, when you said "creationists" you meant Young Earth Creationists?

The agenda can range from merely wanting fundamentalist Evangelical prayer and Bible study in the public schools to outright Christian Nationalism.

Prayer and Bible study in public schools is a terrible idea. In our egalitarian society that would include Wicca, Satanists, Polytheists, etc.

And, contrary to the opinions of some whom I consider to be rather ill informed, in my opinion the US is not now nor has it ever been a "Christian Nation." God's people have always been a remnant, seldom, if ever, a majority. And, for the most part, politician's references to God, Faith, and the Bible are, again in my opinion, nothing more than pandering to their constituents.

 

[Speedwell]

I see. So, when you said "creationists" you meant Young Earth Creationists?

Prayer and Bible study in public schools is a terrible idea. In our egalitarian society that would include Wicca, Satanists, Polytheists, etc.

And, contrary to the opinions of some whom I consider to be rather ill informed, in my opinion the US is not now nor has it ever been a "Christian Nation." God's people have always been a remnant, seldom, if ever, a majority. And, for the most part, politician's references to God, Faith, and the Bible are, again in my opinion, nothing more than pandering to their constituents.

Amen.

 

[lesliedellow]

Prayer and Bible study in public schools is a terrible idea. In our egalitarian society that would include Wicca, Satanists, Polytheists, etc.

It doesn’t seem to cause any problems in British schools. Ever since I have been negotiating religious forums on the internet, it has struck me as a bit ironic that it is the supposedly secular British society which has few problems with religious education, and the supposedly religious American one which does.