Why don't Lutherans cross themselves?

[Zecryphon]

Any Bourbon drinkers in here?

 

[mrshoperose]

Any Bourbon drinkers in here?

Chris and I have never tried it, and I don't think we're going to anytime soon!

 

[Tofferer]

If nobody minds, I would like to ask for some advice. I am attending a nondenominational seminary. Thankfully I am able to tailor my education to reflect (within reason) the basic belief's of the Lutheran church. However, there is one issue I do have. I would like to how I can cope with this. Here it is:

How do I maintain a confessional Lutheran view/attitude in a non-lutheran seminary?

 

[IowaLutheran]

If nobody minds, I would like to ask for some advice. I am attending a nondenominational seminary. Thankfully I am able to tailor my education to reflect (within reason) the basic belief's of the Lutheran church. However, there is one issue I do have. I would like to how I can cope with this. Here it is:

How do I maintain a confessional Lutheran view/attitude in a non-lutheran seminary?

Here's my two cents:

- Find a local Lutheran worshipping community and attend there as often as you can. Not only Sundays, but if they have weekday services, go then too. Receive the body and blood of Christ frequently. I used to not be too concerned about differences between Lutherans and other Protestants/non-denoms. Now that I am grounded in my understanding of communion as the true body and blood of Christ and am used to frequent reception of communion, my thoughts have changed.
- Get involved in that church through Bible studies,be a communion assistant, etc. Staying grounded in a Lutheran worshiping community and being around other Lutherans is important because the rest of the week, you will not be getting what you need. If you have to do any field work, insist that you be able to do it through that church instead of one they pick.
- As a part-time seminary student with a family and a full-time job, I can appreciate the fact that your time for reading books that are not assigned to you by the seminary is minimal. However, I would encourage you to continue reading Lutheran materials as much as possible. If you can't find the time to read big theological tomes, subscribe to a Lutheran theological journal - that way you can read articles as you have time, instead of getting bogged down in longer books.

 

[Tofferer]

Here's my two cents:

- Find a local Lutheran worshipping community and attend there as often as you can. Not only Sundays, but if they have weekday services, go then too. Receive the body and blood of Christ frequently. I used to not be too concerned about differences between Lutherans and other Protestants/non-denoms. Now that I am grounded in my understanding of communion as the true body and blood of Christ and am used to frequent reception of communion, my thoughts have changed.
- Get involved in that church through Bible studies,be a communion assistant, etc. Staying grounded in a Lutheran worshiping community and being around other Lutherans is important because the rest of the week, you will not be getting what you need. If you have to do any field work, insist that you be able to do it through that church instead of one they pick.
- As a part-time seminary student with a family and a full-time job, I can appreciate the fact that your time for reading books that are not assigned to you by the seminary is minimal. However, I would encourage you to continue reading Lutheran materials as much as possible. If you can't find the time to read big theological tomes, subscribe to a Lutheran theological journal - that way you can read articles as you have time, instead of getting bogged down in longer books.

You seem to misunderstand me. I am a member of a Lutheran church already. I frequently serve as lector at the church I attend and have done a few sermons when our pastor has been away during a given week (I am careful to have my sermons reviewed by the pastor before hand). As for reading, I have time on the weekends and mondays. My real concern is with regards to when I am in class and I constantly hear talk about things that I don't believe (rapture, millenial kingdom, etc). How do I cope and without causing undue strife?

 

[Zecryphon]

Chris and I have never tried it, and I don't think we're going to anytime soon!

::Zec airmails a bottle of Wild Turkey and Booker's to Hope and Chris::

 

[Zecryphon]

If nobody minds, I would like to ask for some advice. I am attending a nondenominational seminary. Thankfully I am able to tailor my education to reflect (within reason) the basic belief's of the Lutheran church. However, there is one issue I do have. I would like to how I can cope with this. Here it is:

How do I maintain a confessional Lutheran view/attitude in a non-lutheran seminary?

You believe what you believe and when they disagree with you, you tell them they're wrong and then ask yourself "what would Luther do?" At which point you instinctively know to smack them upside da head with your stein of beer.

 

[WildStrawberry]

You believe what you believe and when they disagree with you, you tell them they're wrong and then ask yourself "what would Luther do?" At which point you instinctively know to smack them upside da head with your stein of beer.

Okay, is it wrong that I let out a big ole unladylike *SNORT* at this?

It is? Man.

LOL


Kae

 

[Zecryphon]

You seem to misunderstand me. I am a member of a Lutheran church already. I frequently serve as lector at the church I attend and have done a few sermons when our pastor has been away during a given week (I am careful to have my sermons reviewed by the pastor before hand). As for reading, I have time on the weekends and mondays. My real concern is with regards to when I am in class and I constantly hear talk about things that I don't believe (rapture, millenial kingdom, etc). How do I cope and without causing undue strife?

Offer a scripturally supported counter-opinion. The pro-rapture people have kind of a big problem with their position. There isn't really a whole lot of scripture to support it other than that verse in Thessalonians and that's kinda weak. Plus if you buy into the pre-trib position regarding the second coming of Christ it is possible to know when it will happen. After the rapture occurs, they believe there will be a period of time before Israel signs the peace treaty with the one who will eventually be revealed to be the anti-Christ. They believe that once the treaty is signed with Israel that the seven year tribulation then begins. Count seven years from the date of the signing of that treaty and they believe that is when Jesus will return. They can know, the date of the second coming, even though scripture tells us that no one can know. Plus a pre-trib rapture scenario involves one and a half returns of Christ. First to rapture the believers to heaven, then the second coming. There's problems with the rapture scenario as put forth by these people and it's very easy to point out the bigger problems with it.

 

[Zecryphon]

Okay, is it wrong that I let out a big ole unladylike *SNORT* at this?

It is? Man.

LOL


Kae

No, that is the proper Lutheran response. LOL

 

[mrshoperose]

::Zec airmails a bottle of Wild Turkey and Booker's to Hope and Chris::

Huh? What's that?

 

[mrshoperose]

Okay, is it wrong that I let out a big ole unladylike *SNORT* at this?

It is? Man.

LOL


Kae

Don't feel bad, I did the same thing!

 

[mrshoperose]

Offer a scripturally supported counter-opinion. The pro-rapture people have kind of a big problem with their position. There isn't really a whole lot of scripture to support it other than that verse in Thessalonians and that's kinda weak. Plus if you buy into the pre-trib position regarding the second coming of Christ it is possible to know when it will happen. After the rapture occurs, they believe there will be a period of time before Israel signs the peace treaty with the one who will eventually be revealed to be the anti-Christ. They believe that once the treaty is signed with Israel that the seven year tribulation then begins. Count seven years from the date of the signing of that treaty and they believe that is when Jesus will return. They can know, the date of the second coming, even though scripture tells us that no one can know. Plus a pre-trib rapture scenario involves one and a half returns of Christ. First to rapture the believers to heaven, then the second coming. There's problems with the rapture scenario as put forth by these people and it's very easy to point out the bigger problems with it.

I fully agree!

 

[Tofferer]

Thanks Zecryphon. I appreciate it man. Right now I am watching the 1953 Niall MacGinnis movie "Martin Luther". I also plan to watch the Joseph Fiennes movie "Luther" tonight. Anyone want to join me?

 

[rd151]

From reading most of the posts I do not believe that most Lutherans dont understand the meaning of making the sign of the cross accross your body????? It is a affirmation of the Holy Trinity. You move your fingers to touch your forehead when saying "in the name of the Father". You then move your fingers to the center of your chest when you say "in the name of the Son" and the then to the left of your chest when you say "and the" and lastly "to your right when you conclude with the words "the Holy Spirit".

It is simply and affirmation of the Trinity or a response to the minister who also makes the sign when he blesses the congregation. I often use the sign at prayers at mealtimes or prayers at nighttime. It is sad that Lutherans as a whole have neglected its use, when its use predates Luther himself, all the ay back to post apostolic times.

 

[Melethiel]

From reading most of the posts I do not believe that most Lutherans dont understand the meaning of making the sign of the cross accross your body????? It is a affirmation of the Holy Trinity. You move your fingers to touch your forehead when saying "in the name of the Father". You then move your fingers to the center of your chest when you say "in the name of the Son" and the then to the left of your chest when you say "and the" and lastly "to your right when you conclude with the words "the Holy Spirit".

It is simply and affirmation of the Trinity or a response to the minister who also makes the sign when he blesses the congregation. I often use the sign at prayers at mealtimes or prayers at nighttime. It is sad that Lutherans as a whole have neglected its use, when its use predates Luther himself, all the ay back to post apostolic times.

I do it right to left, EO fashion.

 

[DaRev]

I do it right to left, EO fashion.

As do I.

 

[Zecryphon]

Huh? What's that?

Two bottles of Bourbon. One is an every day kind of Bourbon, Wild Turkey. The other is a special occasion Bourbon, Booker's.

 

[mrshoperose]

Two bottles of Bourbon. One is an every day kind of Bourbon, Wild Turkey. The other is a special occasion Bourbon, Booker's.

Are you an alcoholic?

 

[Zecryphon]

Are you an alcoholic?

Who've you been talking to? Those vicious rumours of me being an alcoholic were started by people I've fallen over! Plus if I were an alcoholic do you think I'd part with any of my booze? LOL