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Why don't current Bibles have pictures?

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During a Rhine River cruise I took a shore excursion in Germany that included a guided tour of the Gutenberg Museum. Its primary focus is how Johannes Gutenberg printed Bibles. One neat lesson is Gutenberg's Bibles had a lot of color images. In fact there may have been pictures on the majority of its pages.

Of course, that was centuries ago, long before technology existed to make coloring pages easy with inkjet and laser printers. Now we have much better ways to print color images on papers. So why aren't Bible publishers taking advantage of that ability to include illustrations in current Bibles? (Children's Bibles don't count because they are incomplete.)
 

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(Children's Bibles don't count because they are incomplete.)

I have a New Testament children's Bible that's complete. It's called the Big Picture Interactive Bible NKJV. The illustrations are more like Disney cartoons-no Gustave Dore level illustration, but I enjoy it. It has nice simple summaries and little margin notes and hints and facts.
 
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Maybe some still respect these words?...

Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
(Exo 20:4)
 
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I doubt ChristiansforCats is intending on worshiping Bible illustrations.

Illustrations are intended to illustrate, that's all. Can you imagine what Solomon's Temple might have looked like just by reading the description?
 
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Perhaps after people learned to read, they were less needed?

Absolutely false. Learning how to read is totally different from understanding old British English and some words were not translated correctly after being originally written in Hebrew or Greek. I would say pictures could help a lot to folks without historical linguistics degrees.
 
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During a Rhine River cruise I took a shore excursion in Germany that included a guided tour of the Gutenberg Museum. Its primary focus is how Johannes Gutenberg printed Bibles. One neat lesson is Gutenberg's Bibles had a lot of color images. In fact there may have been pictures on the majority of its pages.

Of course, that was centuries ago, long before technology existed to make coloring pages easy with inkjet and laser printers. Now we have much better ways to print color images on papers. So why aren't Bible publishers taking advantage of that ability to include illustrations in current Bibles? (Children's Bibles don't count because they are incomplete.)

How about the Action Study Bible? Here's a preview https://s3.amazonaws.com/dcc-market...S/The-NIV-Action-Study-Bible-sample-James.pdf
 
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I have no idea what original Orthodox Bibles are. Johannes Gutenberg was either Catholic or Protestant.
I think timothyu is likening Bible illustrations to Orthodox icons. Orthodox icons are unique and not really comparable to Bible illustrations.
 
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More like illuminated manuscripts.
I would love to own a hand-written illuminated Bible. I can't even imagine what the price on that would be. I've found a few single pages for sale online that look beautiful.
 
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My late wife got into collecting Bibles at one point in her life... thus we had 7-8 huge bibles from the late 1800's, and some of them were filled with illustrations, most b/w some in color, one even had Biblical clip art! A couple examples:

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During a Rhine River cruise I took a shore excursion in Germany that included a guided tour of the Gutenberg Museum. Its primary focus is how Johannes Gutenberg printed Bibles. One neat lesson is Gutenberg's Bibles had a lot of color images. In fact there may have been pictures on the majority of its pages.

Of course, that was centuries ago, long before technology existed to make coloring pages easy with inkjet and laser printers. Now we have much better ways to print color images on papers. So why aren't Bible publishers taking advantage of that ability to include illustrations in current Bibles? (Children's Bibles don't count because they are incomplete.)

I don't have a definitive answer, but my hypotheses would be:

Illuminated manuscripts were common in the middle ages, but Bibles were costly treasures that were hand copied and painted and so they were rare and treasured tomes that were only ever found in churches and monasteries. Though it's possible that some of the wealthiest monarchs or lords in Europe possibly owned their own copy of the Bible.

With the advent of modern printing, came also a desire to bring the written word into the hands of many, including the Bible. Picture printing would have been costly, so it shouldn't be surprising that Bibles intended for mass production would find cost-saving measures. This is in part also how the English language lost a few characters from our alphabet, Britain imported German printing presses and these lacked the unique letters such as thorn (Þ, þ), eth (Ð, ð), and yogh (Ȝ, ȝ); these being replaced, for example thorn was initially replaced with a "y" as it kind of looked like a handwritten þ at the time (hence the "Ye" in "Ye Olde Shop", it's actually not "Ye" but "Þe" i.e. "The"), and later both thorn and eth with "th" and yogh with "gh" (hence "night" rather than "niȝt").

Illuminated Bibles never vanished obviously, but as printing became more refined, books became more common, and need for more and more Bibles it would simply make sense to make Bibles as cheaply and simply as possible. These cost-saving measures continued even until fairly recent, as American Bible publishers stopped printing Bibles with the Deuterocanonicals in them only as recently as the 1870's and 80's; between 1611 and the last quarter of the 19th century the KJV had been printed with "the Apocrypha" between the Old and New Testaments. The reason why you don't find English-language [Protestant] Bibles with the Deuterocanonicals today is because of those cost-saving measures from the century before last. Though anti-Catholic bias may have also played a role in that move.

Another possible reason could be Protestant Iconoclasm. While not all Protestants are Iconoclasts, there has been an Iconoclastic stream within some forms of Protestantism; as such images might have been seen by them as inherently wrong.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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Mine has useful things like a concordance and maps. I go online if I want an idea of what something (such as the temple) looked like.

I have a large bible that my Grandmother had from my Great Aunt after she passed away a long time ago and it has pictures and illustrations in it. It's also loaded with other study tools and information that makes it easier to navigate the bible and to understand it. It was made back before the internet was around. With online resources being easy to access, publishers are leaving it to people to go online for things. Much easier than printing. It's also why phone books keep getting thinner and are starting to disappear--same as snail mail.
 
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