Why doesn't God heal amputees?

[JonFromMinnesota]

I saw that. How long ago is that?
Only the big preachers used to pray for the sick. Now ordinary believers go to the street to pray for people and they all get healed. Watch those movies from Thorben Sondergaard. He teaches ordinary believers to step out and heal the sick.
He was in Holland too. Now they all go to the street and muslims get healed and saved.

Faith healers have already been exposed for the charlatans they are.
There is even a documentary on how to train yourself in this disgusting form of deception.

 

[Messy]

Faith healers have already been exposed for the charlatans they are.
There is even a documentary on how to train yourself in this disgusting form of deception.

Yes I saw that. There's also the real stuff. I just watch their lives. If they have a lot of money I rather go to the homecell leader who goes to the foodbank but still people get healed from cancer. I have seen it. Two aunts were healed. I threw her name in a bucket. Whole church prayed for her. She had a brain tumor. Next day she calls my mom. She was healed. She didn't even know we prayed. Just read a documented miracle from someone who posts in singles. The churches prayed, not a charlatan with some tricks.

http://www.christianforums.com/threads/spiritual-supernatural-stuff.7911096/#post-68689419

Don't know how to link a post. It's from William67 and that testimony from bearded_one is awesome.

 

[Messy]

What about the 9 million children who die every year before the age of 5? Many of them and their parents praying just as much as you, yet their prayers go unanswered. To say "God is good" every time you are convinced a prayer is answered for YOU, but resort to "God is mysterious" for the many whose prayers go unanswered and go through unimaginable suffering is very narcissistic on your part. Your example makes it sound like "Give me what I want". It sounds selfish and it's putting yourself up on a pedestal as if you are super important.

Bleh why do I even post here? I want to go to the street to the simple hungry people. If you want to know the reason find a good preacher who will tell you because otherwise i would put myself on a pedestral and we don't want that.

 

[JonFromMinnesota]

Yes I saw that. There's also the real stuff. I just watch their lives. If they have a lot of money I rather go to the homecell leader who goes to the foodbank but still people get healed from cancer. I have seen it. Two aunts were healed. I threw her name in a bucket. Whole church prayed for her. She had a brain tumor. Next day she calls my mom. She was healed. She didn't even know we prayed. Just read a documented miracle from someone who posts in singles. The churches prayed, not a charlatan with some tricks.

http://www.christianforums.com/threads/spiritual-supernatural-stuff.7911096/#post-68689419

Don't know how to link a post. It's from William67 and that testimony from bearded_one is awesome.

You have to ask yourself a question when you think you've seen a miracle or anything supernatural. What is more likely? That the laws of nature have been suspended in your favor and in a way you approve or you are under a misapprehension?
Argument from personal experience is a logical fallacy as there is no way of verifying it's validity.

You claim these people have the ability to heal people. Why aren't they working in a hospital? If super natural healing were true, than 911 would direct you to a prayer hotline and the ambulance would bring you to the nearest church.

Bleh why do I even post here? I want to go to the street to the simple hungry people. If you want to know the reason find a good preacher who will tell you because otherwise i would put myself on a pedestral and we don't want that.

Are you not going to address how narcissistic your post was? I don't need to see a preacher to recognize how your post is basically "give me what I want" while disregarding how little your God accomplishes in the lives of people going through unimaginable suffering no matter how much they pray.

 

[Messy]

You have to ask yourself a question when you think you've seen a miracle or anything supernatural. What is more likely? That the laws of nature have been suspended in your favor and in a way you approve or you are under a misapprehension?
Argument from personal experience is a logical fallacy as there is no way of verifying it's validity.

You claim these people have the ability to heal people. Why aren't they working in a hospital? If super natural healing were true, than 911 would direct you to a prayer hotline and the ambulance would bring you to the nearest church.



Are you not going to address how narcissistic your post was? I don't need to see a preacher to recognize how your post is basically "give me what I want" while disregarding how little your God accomplishes in the lives of people going through unimaginable suffering no matter how much they pray.

I don't pray for myself, I pray together with others that our friends and family and this country gets saved and people get healed and see God's love. We prayed for my aunt. What's narcissistic about that?
Have a nice day.
The devil is a narcissist by the way.

 

[jayem]

You'd think there would be a broader spectrum than just healing curable things like cancer, but never healing incurable things like amputation.

Very true. I don't have any numbers, but I'll bet a lot--and maybe most all-- of those people "miraculously" cured of cancer have had surgery, radiation, or chemo along the way. And I recall reading that God healed a teenage girl with rabies who hadn't received post-exposure vaccination. Although I kinda think that a medically induced coma, a combination of anti-viral drugs, and intensive life-support might have helped.

 

[durangodawood]

If an impossible healing occurs then was it an impossible healing? With God all things are possible, yet people all too easily dismiss the works of God as a simple coincidence that could have happened anyway.

Alan

Obviously I mean impossible in terms of purely natural events.

 

[Messy]

You have to ask yourself a question when you think you've seen a miracle or anything supernatural. What is more likely? That the laws of nature have been suspended in your favor and in a way you approve or you are under a misapprehension?
Argument from personal experience is a logical fallacy as there is no way of verifying it's validity.

You claim these people have the ability to heal people. Why aren't they working in a hospital? If super natural healing were true, than 911 would direct you to a prayer hotline and the ambulance would bring you to the nearest church.



Are you not going to address how narcissistic your post was? I don't need to see a preacher to recognize how your post is basically "give me what I want" while disregarding how little your God accomplishes in the lives of people going through unimaginable suffering no matter how much they pray.

If every christian knew how to do it they were all healed. The churches kicked the Holy Spirit out and preach God does what He wants, sometimes He wants to heal, sometimes He wants to give you a filthy disease to teach you something. They should teach: every believer who gets filled with the Spirit can do the works that Jesus did and even bigger ones. That is what the new reformation is about. Getting the world kickstarted for Jesus. The guy has plenty of teachings on it. It's in one of the links. And also in the Bible.

 

[Poster0]

Its my belief that God never promised to heal all our physical afflictions. The healing miracles that Christ performed were actually a sign that he needed to fulfill, and the ones that his apostles performed were signs that they were His apostles. IN the end times however the Anti Christ will use lying signs and wonders to deceive people. Don't ask me what those signs are because i don't know. I do however make it my aim to not follow any signs and wonders.

I believe that the healing which is promised in scripture is from sin itself. Jesus said that people who are well do not need a physician, but only those who are sick. Jesus came for all of us, so this means that we are all sick, but its a spiritual sickness, not a physical one. We must look with spiritual eyes to see spiritual truth and that is one of his healing's that he provides for us.

Thomas believed because he saw proof with his natural eyes. however, Jesus said to him that while he was blessed to see this, that those who don't see Him or His miracles, but still believe, are blessed as well. The scripture then says that the miracles that Jesus performed were written down so that others who dont see will believe. The scriptures say that faith comes by hearing, hearing by the word of God. That hearing is not physical alone but is spiritual, and is also a spiritual healing in my opinion.

Matthew 9:12 On hearing this, Jesus said, “It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. 13 But go and learn what this means: ‘I desire mercy, not sacrifice.’[a] For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners.”




See here, Jesus tells this man he is forgiven but he didn't heal him until after the pharisees accused him of blasphemy. This man was healed to demonstrate Christs power to forgive sin which is spiritual sickness. THis was planned by God before this man was even born.



John 20:9 Jesus stepped into a boat, crossed over and came to his own town. 2 Some men brought to him a paralyzed man, lying on a mat. When Jesus saw their faith, he said to the man, “Take heart, son; your sins are forgiven.”

3 At this, some of the teachers of the law said to themselves, “This fellow is blaspheming!”

4 Knowing their thoughts, Jesus said, “Why do you entertain evil thoughts in your hearts? 5 Which is easier: to say, ‘Your sins are forgiven,’ or to say, ‘Get up and walk’? 6 But I want you to know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins.” So he said to the paralyzed man, “Get up, take your mat and go home.” 7 Then the man got up and went home. 8 When the crowd saw this, they were filled with awe; and they praised God, who had given such authority to man.




Note below that Jesus said blessed are those who have NOT seen miracles or seen Jesus himself, but yet they still believe

Note also that the miracles were written so we may believe. Believe what exactly? Believe that Christ can forgive sins.


John 20:4 Now Thomas (also known as Didymus[a]), one of the Twelve, was not with the disciples when Jesus came. 25 So the other disciples told him, “We have seen the Lord!”

But he said to them, “Unless I see the nail marks in his hands and put my finger where the nails were, and put my hand into his side, I will not believe.”

26 A week later his disciples were in the house again, and Thomas was with them. Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!” 27 Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.”

28 Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”

29 Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”

The Purpose of John’s Gospel
30 Jesus performed many other signs in the presence of his disciples, which are not recorded in this book. 31 But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.





Faith comes by hearing that Christ came to forgive sins.

Romans 10: 11 As Scripture says, “Anyone who believes in him will never be put to shame.”[e] 12 For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, 13 for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”[f]

14 How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them? 15 And how can anyone preach unless they are sent? As it is written: “How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!”[g]

16 But not all the Israelites accepted the good news. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our message?”[h] 17 Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word about Christ. 18 But I ask: Did they not hear? Of course they did:

 

[JonFromMinnesota]

If every christian knew how to do it they were all healed./QUOTE]

How come the ones that allegedly know how to do supernatural healing aren't working in hospitals? Because they are dishonest charlatans who prey on the weak. If any of your claims were true there would be college courses on how to heal people through prayer. I will stick with people who have medical degrees....ones that have demonstrated they know how to treat people who are sick.

If every christian knew how to do it they were all healed. The churches kicked the Holy Spirit out and preach God does what He wants

One of the many problems I have with religion, in this case we are talking about Christianity. Over 40,000 denominations who can't agree with each other about anything. You can't all be right but you certainly could all be wrong.

They should teach: every believer who gets filled with the Spirit can do the works that Jesus did and even bigger ones.

I don't need a God to be a good person. Some how you are implying people need permission from a God to help people. If you need someone to tell you to do something good, is what you are doing really good?

I don't pray for myself, I pray together with others that our friends and family and this country gets saved and people get healed and see God's love. We prayed for my aunt. What's narcissistic about that?

Have your prayers ever been answered for people you don't know? Like I stated earlier, 9 million children die every year before they reach the age of 5. A lot of them believing the same thing they do, and praying just like you do with your family. Yet, their prayers go unanswered. It's narcissistic because you are implying that you are super special and God always answers you, while at the same time disregarding people who suffer on a scale you can't even begin to imagine. It's the failure to reason rationally and care sufficiently about the suffering of other people

 

[TheQuietRiot]

Odd, there's an atheist community discussion forum that is of the exact same name as this thread title.

Hasn't God healed amputees?

No?

Have you seen any evidence that he has?

 

[heatedmonk]

Here's a thought for my Christian sisters and brothers. Is God subject to being reviewed by the atheist critics?
How about this question? Does God heal amputees?

For an atheist to charge God doesn't heal amputees they'd have to be aware of the status of any amputee anywhere in the world. A world populated by over 7 billion individuals. And while the atheist critic may find it amusing to read Christians attempt to offset the seeming impact such a question is thought to afford the Bible believing God loving Christian, "why doesn't God heal amputees?", the real question is, how does the atheist know God hasn't healed the amputee?

Consider the perspective that first asks the question. One that first concludes and affirms in self-identification choosing the option , Atheist, that there is no such thing as God.

Therefore, for that individual no thing that exists could ever be thought to do anything at all.

So what then is the point of the query? To ask the problematic question, why doesn't God heal amputees, is to presuppose from the atheist perspective that first affirms God isn't real, that there is no amputee anywhere on earth who has ever been healed by the God that does not exist.

A better question is,can God not heal amputees? Why yes, because he's God. Does God heal amputees? It can be presumed that yes, he does. When God heals incurable cancer, brings those declared clinically dead back to life, with the assistance of medical science, but when God takes them it is certainly God's will that they be allowed to return to life on earth. When God does all sorts of other things that people know about, how can anyone say God categorically does not heal amputees?

And, would the person who first declares with absolute certainty behind their self-title of atheist that God does not exist, ever believe an amputee was healed by that spirit they first affirm is not there so as to do anything at all?

Maybe the Christian should redirect this atheist thread so as to ask this question: Does God heal amputees?

And then answer as we know we can and with certainty because we worship the God that created everything that shall ever exist and that does exist: YES!

Now pose this question to the atheist that makes a declaration about the God they first declare they don't believe exists:

Can you prove God has never healed an amputee? ​

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[Messy]

Now how can I quote this thing?
You don't understand what I said. You don't need God to do good but good luck raising some dead without Him doing it in you.
Where did I say He always answers me and not them?
I lost two children. So be it. Let's pray for the rest of the world. They're all in heaven anyway.

 

[Poster0]

The answer for the OP's question is found in post 89

I had to edit post 89 a couple times to fix spelling errors and to add a scripture as well. Please forgive me for not proofreading it more closely in the first place, but its good now. Its a lengthy post but it required commentary and scripture to answer the question.

http://www.christianforums.com/threads/why-doesnt-god-heal-amputees.7911249/page-5#post-68689757

 

[JonFromMinnesota]

how does the atheist know God hasn't healed the amputee?

Someone spontaneously regrowing a limb would be convincing evidence that there is a possibility that a God exists. It wouldn't demonstrate it's the God you believe in, however one would have to reconsider their position of a disbelief in a God.
There hasn't been any documented incidents of an amputee regrowing a limb, therefore I have no reason to believe it has ever occurred.

Does God heal amputees? It can be presumed that yes, he does.

This is begging the question and it's a logical fallacy. You're putting the conclusion in your premise.

Can you prove God has never healed an amputee? ​

You are making the claim that you assume God heals amputees. You now have a double burden of proof. First to demonstrate a God exists and that this God heals amputees. Asking someone to prove a negative is an argument from ignorance logical fallacy and it's intellectually dishonest.

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[durangodawood]

....Does God heal amputees?

Not that I know of, or have ever heard.
I'll file it in the category of: I'll believe it when I see it, or a really well documented version of it.

 

[Messy]

And they don't work in hospitals because they do not let them.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=924901110913978

They asked if they could pray for them.
No we don't want to give them false hope.

 

[JonFromMinnesota]

Now how can I quote this thing?

Not sure why it came out that way. My apologies.

You don't understand what I said. You don't need God to do good but good luck raising some dead without Him doing it in you.

I'll leave the treatment of the sick to trained medical doctors. People who dedicated their entire life to it.

Where did I say He always answers me and not them?

Right here:

Yes except when it happens all the time immediately when you pray in the Name of Jesus. That is what convinced me. Every stupid thing I asked for happened.

 

[Cearbhall]

Because not many christians are filled with the Holy Spirit like the disciples were and praying that much and building their faith and most don't step out and say: limb grow out in Jesus' Name.

You're honestly suggesting that people who continue to suffer from illness or injury just aren't good enough people (read: faith-filled) to deserve to be healed?

 

[Skaloop]

Yes except when it happens all the time immediately when you pray in the Name of Jesus. That is what convinced me. Every stupid thing I asked for happened.

So every stupid thing you asked for happened, but no honest, humble, devoted Christian amputee sincerely asking the Lord for their limb to be restored has ever had it happen? What makes you so special that your stupid requests get addressed when the serious requests of others are always denied?