Why does the GOP act so much against health care-in particular those with pre-existing conditions-

[cordie]

I must admit I am very disappointed with the party that monopolizes itself as the pro-life party & during the healthcare debate this year they wanted to dish a lot of the consumer protections that most folks would laud any country to have in its policies. Healthcare is a complex reality of life. While the premiums are still too high & the ACA has plenty of things to be fixed, I was rather sad to see so many republicans opt for a new law that only sought to reign in costs. It had no regard for people with pre-existing anything, the costs of say treating cancer, kids staying on their parents plans (show me an insurance company that refuses a check). These things are what I call moral consumer protections. I never argued for the case of free healthcare but what I saw was a party that claims to be the moral majority not be able to walk in the shoes of someone who has illness. This indicated to me that a lot of the religion that they so call proport to have was really fake. I don't know how any of these reps ever entered a church. They deserved to have their bill shot down because they showed no compassion. When you don't cover pre-existing illness, these people essentially would never be able to access insurance; they'd just flock to the ER which is more expensive. In a country that has the largest risk corridor, there is no doubt these people could be covered simply because we have 320 million people. But to all of a sudden take away that provision, I mean do you think these clowns could look Christ in the eye.

 

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[RC1970]

I have a couple of preexisting conditions and I don't think it's right to force other people to pay for my healthcare.

 

[cordie]

I never said healthcare should be free. The doctor, hospital-they all have to get paid. This is why we have a system of insurance. But I was very troubled by the GOP's seemingly mantra to the "ill"-to essentially self-euthanize.

 

[morse86]

If government made cars, you would have a couple of cars with ridiculous prices.

Competition is a good thing.

There is no such thing as free healthcare, someones got to pay for it. It also subsidizes bad health decisions. It also legitimizes treatments based on $$$ (90% of medical research is fraud). There are a lot of ancient treatments for cancer....you cannot get any of them through "government healthcare"...you have to go with what they say.

It is also unbiblical. Charity is voluntary. Prior to the 1960s, the churches and volunteers took care of the "healthcare". You did not need insurance.

In a free market, you do not need insurance.

 

[Mountainmanbob]

I was rather sad to see so many republicans opt for a new law that only sought to reign in costs. It had no regard for people with pre-existing anything,

The Republicans are not getting rid of honoring ones with pre-existing conditions.
Even though it is a crazy socialistic idea.
It's like giving them free drugs.
Once they are hooked -- you got them.

Freebies are not free and once again, this will be another one of the cost factors that should be addressed.

M-Bob

 

[Angel Wings 1288]

The Republican Party stands for personal responsibility, not health care socialism.

Next time you post, could you make sure to break your writing into paragraphs? It's grating to read long, unparagraphed messages.

 

[Albion]

It had no regard for people with pre-existing anything, the costs of say treating cancer, kids staying on their parents plans (show me an insurance company that refuses a check).

Where did you get these ideas? Every plan that the Congressional Republicans (and the President) have entertained since the beginning of this administration have included retaining the pre-existing conditions coverage and also dependents up to age 26 as at present.

These things are what I call moral consumer protections. I never argued for the case of free health care but what I saw was a party that claims to be the moral majority not be able to walk in the shoes of someone who has illness. This indicated to me that a lot of the religion that they so call proport to have was really fake. I don't know how any of these reps ever entered a church. They deserved to have their bill shot down because they showed no compassion. When you don't cover pre-existing illness, these people essentially would never be able to access insurance; they'd just flock to the ER which is more expensive. In a country that has the largest risk corridor, there is no doubt these people could be covered simply because we have 320 million people. But to all of a sudden take away that provision, I mean do you think these clowns could look Christ in the eye.

 

[Mountainmanbob]

The Republican Party stands for personal responsibility, not health care socialism.

And we hope that the new health care system does not force ones to sign up.

That ain't America!

M-Bob

 

[SolomonVII]

The way that I understand it is that there is a difference between insurance and health care.
It is like if you get into a car accident, and then opt to start paying insurance premiums the next day. Or, if you wife dies and then you buy a one million dollar life policy on her.

It is not really insurance any more, if the pre-existing condition of your wrecked car or your dead wife exists at time of purchase.

 

[Yarddog]

I must admit I am very disappointed with the party that monopolizes itself as the pro-life party & during the healthcare debate this year they wanted to dish a lot of the consumer protections that most folks would laud any country to have in its policies. Healthcare is a complex reality of life. While the premiums are still too high & the ACA has plenty of things to be fixed, I was rather sad to see so many republicans opt for a new law that only sought to reign in costs. It had no regard for people with pre-existing anything, the costs of say treating cancer, kids staying on their parents plans (show me an insurance company that refuses a check). These things are what I call moral consumer protections. I never argued for the case of free healthcare but what I saw was a party that claims to be the moral majority not be able to walk in the shoes of someone who has illness. This indicated to me that a lot of the religion that they so call proport to have was really fake. I don't know how any of these reps ever entered a church. They deserved to have their bill shot down because they showed no compassion. When you don't cover pre-existing illness, these people essentially would never be able to access insurance; they'd just flock to the ER which is more expensive. In a country that has the largest risk corridor, there is no doubt these people could be covered simply because we have 320 million people. But to all of a sudden take away that provision, I mean do you think these clowns could look Christ in the eye.

Matthew 7
21.Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy by thy name, and by thy name cast out demons, and by thy name do many mighty works? 23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

 

[HannahT]

Where did you get these ideas? Every plan that the Congressional Republicans (and the President) have entertained since the beginning of this administration have included retaining the pre-existing conditions coverage and also dependents up to age 26 as at present.

You know how it is. If you repeat something often enough it has to be true.

 

[Armoured]

The Republican Party stands for personal responsibility, not health care socialism.

Next time you post, could you make sure to break your writing into paragraphs? It's grating to read long, unparagraphed messages.

How do you take personal responsibility for a condition you were born with?

 

[Armoured]

I have a couple of preexisting conditions and I don't think it's right to force other people to pay for my healthcare.

Just roads, police, military, sanitation, fire services, prisons, schools...

 

[HannahT]

Just roads, police, military, sanitation, fire services, prisons, schools...

lol and if I can be a smarty pants here for a moment! We hear all the complaints about how horrible those things are, and we fund them. (shrugs) So of course let's fund other things to see how badly we can do there too!

Pre Existing conditions shouldn't be held against people IMO.

 

[SolomonVII]

I never said healthcare should be free. The doctor, hospital-they all have to get paid. This is why we have a system of insurance. But I was very troubled by the GOP's seemingly mantra to the "ill"-to essentially self-euthanize.

GOP does not have a mantra that the ill should self-euthanize.
That is not a true statement.

 

[HannahT]

But I was very troubled by the GOP's seemingly mantra to the "ill"-to essentially self-euthanize.

I don't remember any mantra about self-euthanize.

When did this happen? That would have made headlines around the world.

 

[Angel Wings 1288]

How do you take personal responsibility for a condition you were born with?

The so-called Affordable Healthcare Act requires Christian hospitals to provide anti-life services like sterilization, contraception, and abortion. Didn't you hear about the outrage that it caused among real Catholics who recognize those things are sinful?

When a woman gets pregnant and murders her baby, that isn't taking personal responsibility in the least bit. Whatever "good" Obamacare may have done, it is far outweighed by the fact that it promotes abortion, which is the greatest evil of our time.

 

[Armoured]

The so-called Affordable Healthcare Act requires Christian hospitals to provide anti-life services like sterilization, contraception, and abortion. Didn't you hear about the outrage that it caused among real Catholics who recognize those things are sinful?

When a woman gets pregnant and murders her baby, that isn't taking personal responsibility in the least bit. Whatever "good" Obamacare may have done, it is far outweighed by the fact that it promotes abortion, which is the greatest evil of our time.

You didn't even attempt to address my question.

 

[Angel Wings 1288]

You didn't even attempt to address my question.

I did when I wrote, "Whatever 'good' Obamacare may have done, it is far outweighed by the fact that it promotes abortion, which is the greatest evil of our time."

In other words, if abortion services and pills are a required part of the "Affordable" Healthcare Act, then covering people with pre-existing conditions isn't worth it.