Why does the earth rotate?

[dad]

What sin did Peter commit after Pentecostal and after having received the Holy Spirit of God?

So you think that no one sinned after that?
There was a division between Peter and Paul and others for awhile, no? Is that a good thing? Maybe it was Paul's fault?
Perhaps John the Baptist was sinless also? He was filled with the spirit from the womb.

How about David?
Ps 51:11 - Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.

How about those spirits in heaven of just men made perfect? If they were perfect before they got there what is this business about being made perfect? Paul called himself a wretched man. Does that sound like sinless perfection?

 

[dad]

Aren't all of you tired of strawmen yet? This is a thread about why the earth rotates, not if all of us are washing our hands properly.

Ha

I think they weighed in on why they claim it rotates. Something like little molecule type thingies in the imaginary godless past smashed up against planets and such, and caused them to go round and round. Later the little thingies got bigger, and small planet sized objects and asteroids and whatnots smashed into earth. Many of those same sort of objects decided to later smash into some galaxies and planets and reverse the big bang caused uniform spin! Ha. I think this is basically their fable. Evilutionists, feel free to tweak it as needed.

Of course they have absolutely no proof for this. They just need it to be so.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

Ha

I think they weighed in on why they claim it rotates. Something like little molecule type thingies in the imaginary godless past smashed up against planets and such, and caused them to go round and round. Later the little thingies got bigger, and small planet sized objects and asteroids and whatnots smashed into earth. Many of those same sort of objects decided to later smash into some galaxies and planets and reverse the big bang caused uniform spin! Ha. I think this is basically their fable. Evilutionists, feel free to tweak it as needed.

Of course they have absolutely no proof for this. They just need it to be so.

Oh they have proof of why it rotates - they just ignore the scientific data is all.

http://www.christianforums.com/thre...ism-in-astronomy.7815110/page-7#post-68708887

 

[dad]

Oh they have proof of why it rotates - they just ignore the scientific data is all.

http://www.christianforums.com/thre...ism-in-astronomy.7815110/page-7#post-68708887

I looked at your link but didn't see this proof of why the earth rotates. Maybe quote the relevant bit. By the way you made a claim here, that they have proof of why it rotates. That was a mistake.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

I looked at your link but didn't see this proof of why the earth rotates. Maybe quote the relevant bit. By the way you made a claim here, that they have proof of why it rotates. That was a mistake.

Ill highlight it with the underlines to the proper scientific reason. That you yourself failed to read - and then complain about when they don't read your sources.


"Because over and over and over again you and mainstream astronomers continue to make the same mistake. Treating that 99.99% (Plasma) of that 4% like the tiny little .01% (solids, liquids and gasses).

You continue to do this despite the fact there is not one single laboratory experiment in which the gravitational force laws are applied to describe the behavior of Plasma, that 99.99%.

Then tell me I need 96% Fairie Dust because you refuse to apply the proper physics to the correct states of matter. Despite the fact that it is the electromagnetic force laws we apply to describe Plasma behavior in every single laboratory experiment. The gravitational force laws no more apply to a Plasma Universe than they apply to Plasma behavior in any laboratory. And in the conditions prevailing in all of space (micro-gravity) we find that Plasma behavior (under the electromagnetic force laws matches everything we see. Including those Fairie Dust singularities and the collective behavior leading to flat rotation curves. And need I add the force that causes the rotation of galaxies, stars and planets to begin with?

http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/302l/lectures/node73.html

"Note that this frequency, which is known as the Larmor frequency, does not depend on the velocity of the particle. For a negatively charged particle, the picture is exactly the same as described above, except that the particle moves in a clockwise orbit."


http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2010/10/07/counterclockwise-but-there-are/

This is important. You should check the direction that things orbit the sun. But before you try your strawman about claims of negatively charged comets and planets by EU not matching, you should think about the problem a bit longer. And then perhaps, just perhaps - the solution will come to you, when you understand geographical versus true North.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Magnetic_Pole

"The convention in early compasses was to call the end of the needle pointing to the Earth's North Magnetic Pole the "north pole" (or "north-seeking pole") and the other end the "south pole" (the names are often abbreviated to "N" and "S"). Because opposite poles attract, this definition means that the Earth's North Magnetic Pole is actually a magnetic south pole and the Earth's South Magnetic Pole is a magnetic north pole."

http://www.physics.org/article-questions.asp?id=65

So now picture yourself above the true North pole of the earth and sun - and observe the rotation."

 

[joshua 1 9]

So you think that no one sinned after that?
There was a division between Peter and Paul and others for awhile, no? Is that a good thing? Maybe it was Paul's fault?
Perhaps John the Baptist was sinless also? He was filled with the spirit from the womb.

Mat11 11 "Truly I tell you, among those born of women there has not risen anyone greater than John the Baptist; yet whoever is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he." After Pentecostal the least of all Christians became greater then John the Baptist. This is the Holy Spirit dispensation. Yes there was a dispute between Peter and Paul: "The other Jews joined him in his hypocrisy, so that by their hypocrisy even Barnabas was led astray." That is why James says: "But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves. It is not enough to preach the word of God. He will hold us responsible to do what God tells us we are to do.

 

[dad]

Ill highlight it with the underlines to the proper scientific reason. That you yourself failed to read - and then complain about when they don't read your sources.

No. I usually post a concise quote and use a link for support only. You seem confused.

"Because over and over and over again you and mainstream astronomers continue to make the same mistake. Treating that 99.99% (Plasma) of that 4% like the tiny little .01% (solids, liquids and gasses).

Me and mainstream astronomers?? Get a grip.

You continue to do this despite the fact there is not one single laboratory experiment in which the gravitational force laws are applied to describe the behavior of Plasma, that 99.99%.

God made the earth spin, let's get that straight. You fantasies are irrelevant. And you claimed they knew what made the earth spin!!!??

Then tell me I need 96% Fairie Dust because you refuse to apply the proper physics to the correct states of matter. Despite the fact that it is the electromagnetic force laws we apply to describe Plasma behavior in every single laboratory experiment. The gravitational force laws no more apply to a Plasma Universe than they apply to Plasma behavior in any laboratory. And in the conditions prevailing in all of space (micro-gravity) we find that Plasma behavior (under the electromagnetic force laws matches everything we see. Including those Fairie Dust singularities and the collective behavior leading to flat rotation curves. And need I add the force that causes the rotation of galaxies, stars and planets to begin with?

Not sure what this babble means, but I take it you are not giving Jesus credit with creating the earth and it's rotation?

The rest of your post seems to be some sort of self aggrandizing cult gibberish.

 

[dad]

Mat11 11 "Truly I tell you, among those born of women there has not risen anyone greater than John the Baptist; yet whoever is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he." After Pentecostal the least of all Christians became greater then John the Baptist

David was pretty important too. Jesus came in his line and his throne will endure forever. But he sinned like it was going out of business!
John was the greatest on earth, but it seems to me that some say that he seemed to doubt Jesus a bit near the end of his life. Kind of lost his head a bit I guess.

This is the Holy Spirit dispensation. Yes there was a dispute between Peter and Paul: "The other Jews joined him in his hypocrisy, so that by their hypocrisy even Barnabas was led astray." That is why James says: "But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves. It is not enough to preach the word of God. He will hold us responsible to do what God tells us we are to do.

So dissension seems to be an indicator of sin.

 

[Astrophile]

I haven't personally seen or felt it rotate in all my lifetime. Feels pretty solid and stationary to me. Have you seen or felt otherwise yourself?

I've watched stars move across the field of view of telescopes, and I think it's more likely that the telescope is moving with the rotating Earth than that the stars are all moving round the Earth.

Also, the other planets rotate. One can actually watch atmospheric features on Jupiter move across the disc of the planet as it rotates. If one is patient, one can also watch the movement of the surface features of Mars as it rotates. The Sun rotates, as one can see by watching the movement of sunspots from day to day. If the Sun and the other planets rotate, how can the Earth be stationary?

 

[Astrophile]

"Stellar parallax" is itself an interpretation dependent on the theory that the Earth moves, both of which I reject.

No, I win.

Just out of interest, how do you explain stellar parallax?

How do you explain the fact that, when measuring stellar radial velocities, it is necessary to correct the measured velocities for the Earth's orbital and rotational velocity?

How do you explain the fact that when measuring the brightness of short-period variable stars it is necessary to correct the time of the observation for the time that light takes to travel across the Earth's orbit?

 

[Astrophile]

Whether it exists as it does here exactly in deep space I dare you to try to prove. You look at things you know not how big or far away, and assume gravity as we know it is doing all that we see done. Pretty lame.

Astronomers observe binary stars orbiting each other and following the same laws as the planets of our solar system. That seems pretty strong evidence that gravity operates the same way among the stars as it does on the Earth.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

What sin did Peter commit after Pentecostal and after having received the Holy Spirit of God?

The Apostle Paul pointed out a time Peter was hypocritical.

Gal 2:11-14 But when Cephas came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned. For prior to the coming of certain men from James, he used to eat with the Gentiles; but when they came, he began to withdraw and hold himself aloof, fearing the party of the circumcision. The rest of the Jews joined him in hypocrisy, with the result that even Barnabas was carried away by their hypocrisy. But when I saw that they were not straightforward about the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas in the presence of all, "If you, being a Jew, live like the Gentiles and not like the Jews, how is it that you compel the Gentiles to live like Jews?
NASU

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

Ill highlight it with the underlines to the proper scientific reason. That you yourself failed to read - and then complain about when they don't read your sources.


"Because over and over and over again you and mainstream astronomers continue to make the same mistake. Treating that 99.99% (Plasma) of that 4% like the tiny little .01% (solids, liquids and gasses).

You continue to do this despite the fact there is not one single laboratory experiment in which the gravitational force laws are applied to describe the behavior of Plasma, that 99.99%.

Then tell me I need 96% Fairie Dust because you refuse to apply the proper physics to the correct states of matter. Despite the fact that it is the electromagnetic force laws we apply to describe Plasma behavior in every single laboratory experiment. The gravitational force laws no more apply to a Plasma Universe than they apply to Plasma behavior in any laboratory. And in the conditions prevailing in all of space (micro-gravity) we find that Plasma behavior (under the electromagnetic force laws matches everything we see. Including those Fairie Dust singularities and the collective behavior leading to flat rotation curves. And need I add the force that causes the rotation of galaxies, stars and planets to begin with?

http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/302l/lectures/node73.html

"Note that this frequency, which is known as the Larmor frequency, does not depend on the velocity of the particle. For a negatively charged particle, the picture is exactly the same as described above, except that the particle moves in a clockwise orbit."


http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2010/10/07/counterclockwise-but-there-are/

This is important. You should check the direction that things orbit the sun. But before you try your strawman about claims of negatively charged comets and planets by EU not matching, you should think about the problem a bit longer. And then perhaps, just perhaps - the solution will come to you, when you understand geographical versus true North.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Magnetic_Pole

"The convention in early compasses was to call the end of the needle pointing to the Earth's North Magnetic Pole the "north pole" (or "north-seeking pole") and the other end the "south pole" (the names are often abbreviated to "N" and "S"). Because opposite poles attract, this definition means that the Earth's North Magnetic Pole is actually a magnetic south pole and the Earth's South Magnetic Pole is a magnetic north pole."

http://www.physics.org/article-questions.asp?id=65

So now picture yourself above the true North pole of the earth and sun - and observe the rotation."

Hmmph. You don't even seem to realize the magnetic poles of the sun reverse every 11 years.

 

[dad]

Astronomers observe binary stars orbiting each other and following the same laws as the planets of our solar system.

Atoms have electrons and neurons orbit, no?
In other words something is going round something way out in space. How far away and how big that something is is not known.

That seems pretty strong evidence that gravity operates the same way among the stars as it does on the Earth.

Maybe maybe not. Gravity works on physical bodies. Can you guarantee that stars have no spiritual component? Now careful, just because you can't see anything spiritual does not mean it doesn't exist. Does gravity make things go around an atom? Not really. A lot depends on what we are seeing, what it is made of, how big it actually is and how far!

 

[joshua 1 9]

David was pretty important too.

David in the 119 Psalm taught me how important the law is and how God intended the law for our benefit. God wants what is best for us and the law was given so that we could prosper and have the best life possible. If people reject the law then they are rejecting the best of what God has for them here in this life.

 

[ananda]

I've watched stars move across the field of view of telescopes, and I think it's more likely that the telescope is moving with the rotating Earth than that the stars are all moving round the Earth.

Also, the other planets rotate. One can actually watch atmospheric features on Jupiter move across the disc of the planet as it rotates. If one is patient, one can also watch the movement of the surface features of Mars as it rotates. The Sun rotates, as one can see by watching the movement of sunspots from day to day. If the Sun and the other planets rotate, how can the Earth be stationary?

Because the Earth is not the Sun or the planets?

 

[ananda]

Just out of interest, how do you explain stellar parallax?

How do you explain the fact that, when measuring stellar radial velocities, it is necessary to correct the measured velocities for the Earth's orbital and rotational velocity?

How do you explain the fact that when measuring the brightness of short-period variable stars it is necessary to correct the time of the observation for the time that light takes to travel across the Earth's orbit?

This link presents a good summary of the problem with "stellar parallax": http://www.zengardner.com/heliocentrism-dead-no-stellar-parallax/ ... long story short, the fact that there is "positive" and "negative" "parallax" proves that the idea of stellar parallax is false.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

This link presents a good summary of the problem with "stellar parallax": http://www.zengardner.com/heliocentrism-dead-no-stellar-parallax/ ... long story short, the fact that there is "positive" and "negative" "parallax" proves that the idea of stellar parallax is false.

Or "negative parallax" might . . . just might . . . be a hoax.

 

[dad]

David in the 119 Psalm taught me how important the law is and how God intended the law for our benefit. God wants what is best for us and the law was given so that we could prosper and have the best life possible. If people reject the law then they are rejecting the best of what God has for them here in this life.

Funny, David teaches me that the law didn't save us.

 

[ecco]

This link presents a good summary of the problem with "stellar parallax": http://www.zengardner.com/heliocentrism-dead-no-stellar-parallax/ ... long story short, the fact that there is "positive" and "negative" "parallax" proves that the idea of stellar parallax is false.

The opening paragraph also show why this link is a spoof or entirely uninformed nonsense:

Copernicus was a Sun worshipper who had been studying Platonic mysticism
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Copernicus was a devout Catholic.